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It looks like we’ve setup a lot of arbitrary rules to protect competition between people who happened to have the right genetics for a specific task and had caretakers who pushed them to develop specific skills before they were adults. When this bumps into unfortunate truths like “I don’t have legs so I need these prosthetics to compete” or “gender isn’t binary” we either exclude people who are already excluded by society or our construct of what competition should look like starts to fall apart. I don’t think there’s a “solution” to the sports problem that doesn’t involve completely rethinking what spectating friendly competition in society should look like. I don’t think that’s a bad thing because I think celebrating those who won both a genetic lottery and a caretaker lottery is bullshit to begin with.
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Jun 23, 2022 15:57
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I’m so glad that the Court let a guy with a completely dead judicial philosophy determine that anyone can have guns now
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Jun 23, 2022 15:58
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https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-06-23/supreme-court-shields-police-from-being-sued-for-ignoring-miranda-warnings Just roll the dice now on if why you're being pulled over warrants talking to the police. I'd leave this country if it wasn't so hard to get citizenship elsewhere.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:01
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FlamingLiberal posted:I’m so glad that the Court let a guy with a completely dead judicial philosophy determine that anyone can have guns now It only really affects a few states still using May-issue permits. States can still require licenses/training, they just aren't allowed to deny people randomly anymore.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:04
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Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:States can still require licenses/training I wonder how long those requirements are going to be around before this court strikes those down.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:08
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Meatball posted:I wonder how long those requirements are going to be around before this court strikes those down.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:So the Supreme Court essentially made all gun control regulation impossible today It doesn't kill off all forms of gun control. I'm not reading this as such an expansion as this writer, it seems to follow DC v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago, which solidified the protection of handguns by the second amendment (which is dumb and a huge problem but we've had this problem for a decade now). This eliminates "may issue" concealed carry laws and will likewise kill some other permitting requirements (which is dumb). But this doesn't kill all permitting requirements and there's still plenty of other aspects of guns that can be regulated.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:15
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I am weary of this. With what happened in Uvalde this seems like the exact opposite of what people care about. https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/status/1539936969001680897?s=20&t=AlltA-9GUTlK125AVdalxQ https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/status/1539936970884915200?s=20&t=AlltA-9GUTlK125AVdalxQ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 23, 2022 16:27
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Anyway the point, solid persistent 30 second difference between the top men and top women in the 500. Transition changed her (Lia Thomas’ ) 500 by only 15 seconds. Katie Ledecky did it almost 10 seconds faster literally 5 years ago, and is built in what some would consider a more "masculine" body type than Lia, and she is cis. Lia is mainly notable because she worked really hard and won an event.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:33
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Dick Trauma posted:I am weary of this. With what happened in Uvalde this seems like the exact opposite of what people care about. Yeah this is just malpractice, and all you have to do is look at places where cops are well-paid, like Chicago, to know she’s completely full of poo poo. Can’t win for losing with these fuckers.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:37
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Dick Trauma posted:I am weary of this. With what happened in Uvalde this seems like the exact opposite of what people care about. Even ignoring the fact that additional money for cops rarely results in better outcomes, there's no amount of extra funding for the police she can propose that will stop republicans from saying she wants to defund the police. The better approach would be to talk about raising the state's minimum wage so that everyone can make a living wage.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:40
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Dick Trauma posted:I am weary of this. With what happened in Uvalde this seems like the exact opposite of what people care about. What the gently caress is she talking about, I don't know a single cop that makes less than $50k a year, unless state troopers make way less than their city counterparts.
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Dick Trauma posted:https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/status/1539936970884915200?s=20&t=AlltA-9GUTlK125AVdalxQ Can someone remind me of what Derek Chauvin's salary was?
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Nazzadan posted:What the gently caress is she talking about, I don't know a single cop that makes less than $50k a year, unless state troopers make way less than their city counterparts. Yeah the overtime is a big big perk.
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Nazzadan posted:What the gently caress is she talking about, I don't know a single cop that makes less than $50k a year, unless state troopers make way less than their city counterparts. I guess it could be true if you're one of three cops in some no traffic light town in Georgia but they're also still probably one of the highest paid people in that town so gently caress em. Edit: quick googling but either she is talking about something besides state troopers or this really only applies to cadets since everyone else's base salary is already over 50k. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Gumball Gumption posted:I guess it could be true if you're one of three cops in some no traffic light town in Georgia but they're also still probably one of the highest paid people in that town so gently caress em. https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/police-officer-salary-state/?sh=60f8e5052010 The average police pay in Georgia is about $44k (as of 2020 so I assume it's higher now!) but also the stats don't mention overtime pay. I'm sure there are some making less than 50k but it'd be a marginal change that also wouldn't fix a drat thing about the police.
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It would be really great if people would read things other than just the text of the tweet or post sources. Actual Georgia Law Enorcement pay structure: https://doas.ga.gov/assets/Human%20Resources%20Administration/State%20Salary%20Plan%20Documents/2016%20LAW%20Pay%20Structure.pdf Actual Georgia state level job portal: https://careers.georgia.gov/jobs/search/7248525 Lots of listed jobs below 50k. Abrams' actual criminal justice policy per her campaign site (internal links omitted): https://staceyabrams.com/policy/#public-safety-and-criminal-justice-reform quote:The rise in violence in Georgia is inextricably linked to economic insecurity and guns. Georgia’s poverty rate is 14 percent overall and 20 percent among children, who are now committing more crimes or are the most vulnerable victims. Numerous studies show direct connections between violence, economic instability and under-resourced public schools. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Srice posted:https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/police-officer-salary-state/?sh=60f8e5052010 Yeah, I was going off on this info for Georgia State Troopers https://dps.georgia.gov/gsp-career-path The whole thing seems like most other police policy though, so detached from reality that you're worried the person drafting it has had a paranoid mental break.
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Federal staff in DC are getting messages from places like the Senate Sergeant at Arms to prepare for poo poo Happening tomorrow, so I expect the abortion ruling is coming.
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There should be a general strike all sectors if this ruling goes through. And preferably the socialist revolution but 
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Federal staff in DC are getting messages from places like the Senate Sergeant at Arms to prepare for poo poo Happening tomorrow, so I expect the abortion ruling is coming. i thought that was thursday was last of this week?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:There should be a general strike all sectors if this ruling goes through. A general strike around any issue large enough to have a political impact would involve organizing the entire spectrum of Republican, Democrat, Independant, and non-voting citizens, which is doing a fascist red-brown alliance. It sounds like something the himbos like Jackson Hinkle feeding off the Dore-Greenwald media outrage ecosystem would fantasize about and just isn't feasible in American society today.
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yeah certainly seems like stupid timing, but bringing up cop salaries in major cities to counter her point is actually the exact dynamic that small towns face with policing. Cities pay more, far more, often like 2-3x more than being a cop in some small town so the only people left taking small town policing jobs are the people who some how are too obviously poo poo to get hired by a metro PD. Like all those utterly poo poo minneapolis, seattle, philly, la, nyc cops that come to mind? of the national hiring pool of cops, those are the cream of the crop. The small towns are then getting final pick after every area that can pay more than them has had their pick. Personally I find paying police more pretty distasteful currently, but that metro vs small town dynamic loving up hiring to the extent that it basically guarantees that small towns have by far the worst cops is very much a known thing wrt activist attempts to make policing be less bad There's a reason why you can put literally any words after 'small town police did' and it is believable. No one anywhere expects anything other than huge incompetence and the worst of american policing from small town police forces. Maybe you get lucky and the department has one or two people who, for whatever reason, are settled in the area and don't want to relocate and are okay with the pay? well now they've quit or become poo poo themselves because of their unending stream of extremely poo poo coworkers. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Federal staff in DC are getting messages from places like the Senate Sergeant at Arms to prepare for poo poo Happening tomorrow, so I expect the abortion ruling is coming. any sources on this?
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Discendo Vox posted:Actual Georgia Law Enorcement pay structure: Where did you find this? It's 2016 numbers, I can't find any info on what those codes actually mean in terms of position, and the URL links to an internal HR website so there's no way to see if it's been updated or if it's the latest numbers or what.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Where did you find this? It's 2016 numbers, I can't find any info on what those codes actually mean in terms of position, and the URL links to an internal HR website so there's no way to see if it's been updated or if it's the latest numbers or what. https://doas.ga.gov/human-resources-administration/compensation/state-salary-plans Here's the 2021 job catalog with codes and salary ranges. The pay ranges appear not to have changed since 2016. https://doas.ga.gov/assets/Human%20...nt%20071621.pdf Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Dick Trauma posted:I am weary of this. With what happened in Uvalde this seems like the exact opposite of what people care about. Decent pay and working conditions won't, by themselves, solve the massive cultural problems in policing. However, any realistic solution to those cultural problems will necessarily have to include decent base pay and working conditions.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i thought that was thursday was last of this week? The scotus calendar also has opinion releases tomorrow, it appears, per scotusblog.
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Discendo Vox posted:https://doas.ga.gov/human-resources-administration/compensation/state-salary-plans Got it ok, this makes more sense than how Abrams explained it in the tweet though honestly I think saying we're raising the salary of troopers and police will go over better than corrections and parole officers who are really the ones who have the low pay here.
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Discendo Vox posted:The scotus calendar also has opinion releases tomorrow, it appears, per scotusblog. yeah, i wouldnt be shocked if they pull the trigger tomarrow or next week, whichever gives them some "cover time".
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Police might only make minimum wage and I’ll still say rhetoric about supporting them is authoritarian bullshit that centers the problem as a victimized or marginalized group. Starve the cops, until people stop dying at their hands. Abrams is asking us to support the armed enforcement wing of capitalist oppression, and that’s a system I and many others are just done with. Starve the cops. It’s pointless bullshit that won’t fix anything anyway: Chicago has incredibly well-paid cops and it just makes them more lazy, entitled and reactionary. Starve the loving cops! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jaxyon posted:Katie Ledecky did it almost 10 seconds faster literally 5 years ago, and is built in what some would consider a more "masculine" body type than Lia, and she is cis. Yeah she (Lia) is good but not like a Phelps or a Summer Sanders. And I don’t think even Katie Ledecky would make it into the current mens five hundred top one hundred either but I’d have to check that. I think something else that needs to be understood is that swimming isn’t really that much of a spectator sport outside the Olympics, too. Also given the time investment and effort the sport requires this is an identity so all the people involved on either side of this very much have this is what I do and who I am going on. There is also outside of the olympics basically no money at stake in the sport outside of scholarships. Swimmers are in it for the swimming basically.
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Jaxyon posted:Katie Ledecky did it almost 10 seconds faster literally 5 years ago, and is built in what some would consider a more "masculine" body type than Lia, and she is cis. The other thing that's been on my mind lately is how we raise AMAB vs AFAB. We are not afraid to push AMAB kids to excel, noone warns them not to do too well or else they may alienate friends/the opposite sex, they're encouraged to excel and put sports ahead of everything else without fear of being seen as too manly, etc. So when an AMAB person transitions they don't have all that societal baggage AFAB competitors do. I'd be very curious as to what might happen if AFAB athletes were treated as such coming up. (we already see evidence that societal expectation affects performance in mathematics as an example, countries where its not considered a gendered skill have much higher rates of women in hard sciences/maths vs places where its considered an inherent weakness assigned to sex).
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Dick Trauma posted:I am weary of this. With what happened in Uvalde this seems like the exact opposite of what people care about. Oh and don't worry, she says she'll do it without raising taxes! https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/status/1539936974517280770 I wonder what she plans to axe to give cops more money?
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selec posted:Police might only make minimum wage and I’ll still say rhetoric about supporting them is authoritarian bullshit that centers the problem as a victimized or marginalized group. Yeah, I keep going back and forth if you will get more heat for saying you want to raise police salaries or if you want to talk about the poor impoverished prison guard. Neither is a beloved member of society when your prison system is an extension of your slavery past.
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Oracle posted:The other thing that's been on my mind lately is how we raise AMAB vs AFAB. We are not afraid to push AMAB kids to excel, noone warns them not to do too well or else they may alienate friends/the opposite sex, they're encouraged to excel and put sports ahead of everything else without fear of being seen as too manly, etc. So when an AMAB person transitions they don't have all that societal baggage AFAB competitors do. I'd be very curious as to what might happen if AFAB athletes were treated as such coming up. (we already see evidence that societal expectation affects performance in mathematics as an example, countries where its not considered a gendered skill have much higher rates of women in hard sciences/maths vs places where its considered an inherent weakness assigned to sex). Where do you get this idea? Transgender women much of the societal baggage of women, plus the baggage of being transgender.
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Grouchio posted:Does the recent SCOTUS ruling against New York's concealed carry law mean gun control of any kind (like the bill in the senate) is now dead in the water? The fact that this is happening in America handles that without any implication from this particular ruling.
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