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At this point I really hope the last shot of this season is Black Noir chilling on some beach somewhere sipping a margarita through a straw. Through his mask, in full costume, of course. Dude got out while he had a chance.
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Mat Cauthon posted:- I hate to admit it but the Supernatural guy is a pretty good actor. Soldier Boy is obviously an rear end in a top hat who has the potential to be as bad as Homelander but the performance lends him some sympathy Hah, I think the performance gives him the opposite of sympathy (is that antipathy?). The character is obviously innately sympathetic -- the war hero captured and experimented on by the bad guys -- but the way he plays it makes him basically a worse person than Homelander. Maybe not as grandiose and controlling, but he's such a brusque uncaring incurious arrogant bigoted rear end in a top hat that he loses any sympathy I might have for him. Agreed on Starlight and Hughie, though. There's such a world of difference between "I don't mind if my girlfriend could beat me up and wins at bowling" and "we're under threat for our lives from evil Superman and assorted secondary superfuckers and I want to be able to actively help things." Then again, I'm kind of on Team Temp V, just because the stakes are so high that it seems worth the gamble.
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Jun 24, 2022 05:15
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Phenotype posted:Hah, I think the performance gives him the opposite of sympathy (is that antipathy?). The character is obviously innately sympathetic -- the war hero captured and experimented on by the bad guys -- but the way he plays it makes him basically a worse person than Homelander. Maybe not as grandiose and controlling, but he's such a brusque uncaring incurious arrogant bigoted rear end in a top hat that he loses any sympathy I might have for him. Hey now, he was willing to give Hughie 3 mins to find the twins instead of just storming in there to kill everyone. That's 3 more minutes than Homelander would've given them in the same situation  Team temp V gets results 
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Jun 24, 2022 05:22
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f#a# posted:I wonder if it was a conscious decision to make you feel uncomfortable and guilty for watching yet another laser beam clash That whole fight scene was loving terrible. After all this buildup of Homelander supposedly being a terrifying unstoppable demon, it turns out that Temp-V made Butcher and Hughie capable of trading blows with him. It took more people to stomp on Stormfront. We know that Homelander is strong enough to throw people into orbit or through stone walls, but instead we got boring superhero fisticuffs between him and Soldier Boy. Rest of the episode was great, especially A-Train's apology and Annie's speech.
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Jun 24, 2022 05:22
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As Nero Danced posted:Dumb question, Has Annie used her light blasts as anything but force pushes? She killed that one driver back in season 2 when Hughie got shot but I don't know if we've ever seen how powerful her powers really are. What about the would-be rapists in S1? I don't remember if they showed how that fight went. She also threatened Deep when they were on patrol together but I can't remember how specific the threat was.
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Jun 24, 2022 05:24
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The Wilhelm Scream was used perfectly.
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Jun 24, 2022 05:29
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I thought it was a fantastic episode. I think probably one of the best episodes they've put out to date. But yeah V24 clearly is overwhelmingly much more powerful than normal compound V. The only thing that really bothered me with the fight at the end is in real life Homelander would have lost badly against Soldier Boy if he was anywhere near his level. Homelander as far as we know has never fought a pitched battle where he's had to use strategy or determination and enduring hardship to win. Meanwhile Soldier Boy actually has military training and actual real world experience fighting. I would have had him lose round one, badly- and run away to sulk. Functionally nothing would have changed for the episode.
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Jun 24, 2022 05:36
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Phenotype posted:Hah, I think the performance gives him the opposite of sympathy (is that antipathy?). The character is obviously innately sympathetic -- the war hero captured and experimented on by the bad guys -- but the way he plays it makes him basically a worse person than Homelander. Maybe not as grandiose and controlling, but he's such a brusque uncaring incurious arrogant bigoted rear end in a top hat that he loses any sympathy I might have for him. Totally disagree. He literally is the ur-prototype of Homelander, up to and including his tragic backstory and his character flaws being the same (narcissism, bigotry) but muted and partly explained away by being a dude born in the 20's. Even his wanton murder being blackouts from pretty horrific trauma. It's very obvious what they are doing here, sure. But it's kinda of important and it works because it comes off as slightly psychopathic not to lend that type sympathy or humanity when they're pointedly denying it Homelander despite his being even worse because of how broken he is. Phenotype posted:Agreed on Starlight and Hughie, though. There's such a world of difference between "I don't mind if my girlfriend could beat me up and wins at bowling" and "we're under threat for our lives from evil Superman and assorted secondary superfuckers and I want to be able to actively help things." Then again, I'm kind of on Team Temp V, just because the stakes are so high that it seems worth the gamble. The feminist metaphor just doesn't work, but more importantly the liberal 'If Only Sheeple knew the Truth!' world view doesn't. Homelander already threatened to just end the United States (and he can do it, easily) and is increasingly unhinged now that all his human connections are loving gone. Realistically, if they followed through, Annie just killed millions of people. Sometimes you do have to have a loving bloody revolution and do necessary evils in life. Butcher and Hughie are doing nothing wrong, and maybe if Starlight and MM got of their high horse, Homelander would be a grease stain
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Jun 24, 2022 05:51
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Holy gently caress what an episode. Quick question (mild spoilers)when Ashley was blowing up at a train, she mentioned he's killed 3 people. I can remember Robin, and popclaw, but I'm drawing a blank on the third. Anyone remember? I'm glad Ashley got a moment finally. Also fuckin  at the banter between her and Deep in the beginning.Can't believe we have 2 more episodes to go. This honestly felt like it could have been a season finale.
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Jun 24, 2022 06:02
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Jensen Ackles has always been a really good actor, he's absolutely outstanding as Dean Winchester. Jared Padalecki was also on the show.
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Jun 24, 2022 06:02
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how the gently caress are there two more episodes
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Jun 24, 2022 06:09
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zoux posted:Jensen Ackles has always been a really good actor, he's absolutely outstanding as Dean Winchester. Jared Padalecki was also on the show. Supernatural actually has some really good actors on it for how much it rightly get poo poo on. And also Jared Padalecki.
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Jun 24, 2022 06:12
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I don’t know how Hugie can morally justify hanging around with Solider Boy at this point. Or hanging around him out of basic self preservation. The guy is a time bomb.
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Jun 24, 2022 06:14
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I am probably going to be in the minority but I thought the "twist" of homelander having a split personality didn't land. It seemed like they are trying to humanize him or soften him. Neither of which work given the body of work we have seen from him. In the theme of this episode (you can chose not to be a captive of your past) I can see what they are going for. But his casual cruelty across the series leaves me unwilling to buy that his childhood trauma is driving him. Also extra large oof on Solider boy in the hotel scene channeling the most toxic of "greatest generation" tendencies. That's probably going to be a problem sooner rather than later. Lastly I agree with the poster above that Annie ripping the mask off is going to get untold numbers of people killed, especially because due to getting his clock cleaned and he is sporting a shiner Homelander can't just go on
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Jun 24, 2022 06:16
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I think it might just be safer around soldier boy than not, when he knows that Homelander has threatened to kill him specifically.
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Jun 24, 2022 06:16
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Bussamove posted:And also Jared Padalecki. Jim Beaver, of course, being a top ten living character actor, and I guess officially a Kripke guy since he plays the secdef on this show. Also three time winner Emmy winner Sterling K brown as a recurring vampire hunter that gets turned into a vampire. And as you say, Jared Padelecki was a member of the cast, per IMDB
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Jun 24, 2022 06:17
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I think it might just be safer around soldier boy than not, when he knows that Homelander has threatened to kill him specifically. It's a lesser of two evils thing, the unhinged monster is more dangerous than the "stable" one, though that stability is very much in question if he hears a russian song. poo poo are they gonna hit him with the troll lol lol song?
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Jun 24, 2022 06:20
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LMAO that Herogasm was started by Soldier Boy and Stormfront
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Jun 24, 2022 06:25
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sponges posted:I don’t know how Hugie can morally justify hanging around with Solider Boy at this point. Or hanging around him out of basic self preservation. The guy is a time bomb. Because Solider Boy isn't totally responsible for his actions He WAS going to spare the TNT Twins before he blacked out, he clearly regretted just blowing up a random building. Also Homelander is far worse and not only threatened his life, directly, but he's going blow up New York or something
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Jun 24, 2022 06:27
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zoux posted:Jim Beaver, of course, being a top ten living character actor, and I guess officially a Kripke guy since he plays the secdef on this show. Also three time winner Emmy winner Sterling K brown as a recurring vampire hunter that gets turned into a vampire. And as you say, Jared Padelecki was a member of the cast, per IMDB Can't forget Mark Sheppard, an always slightly greasy feeling treat like a used car salesman who really wants to make that deal. And Kurt Fuller who is always hammy, slightly unhinged fun. Jared Padelecki also credited.
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Jun 24, 2022 06:39
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So Hughie can teleport other people now, but still not his clothes (or their clothes). 
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Jun 24, 2022 06:40
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Bill Cosby, now that was a real man. He could mix a STRONG drink!
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Jun 24, 2022 06:45
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The beautiful audacity of using the joke from a popsicle stick as a visual bit. loving amazing.
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Jun 24, 2022 06:47
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Great episode, and Annie just refusing to go along with anybody's bullshit anymore, including Hughie's, was fantastic. Hughie gets to have his big confrontation moment with A Train feeling confident thanks to his powers and the end result is him being unable to actually cope with A Train (for selfish, self-absorbed reasons admittedly) actually showing genuine empathy, and then exactly what Annie warned him would happen happens as Soldier Boy kills a whole bunch of innocent bystanders (noted by MM that many of those present were just sex workers, there to do a job and not for fun). Now Hughie is the guy who is willing to allow collateral damage to achieve his aims, as much a hypocrite as Butcher is - MM pointing out that Butcher wants his revenge on Homelander but is preventing MM from getting his on Soldier Boy was spot on. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Jun 24, 2022 07:20
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I can understand Hughie's ethical lapses. I can appreciate the argument his behavior shouldn't be done out of ethical reasons. But I really don't feel like the rest of the narrative supports that. Literally Homelander said he will destroy America if he doesn't get his way and has explicitly threatened to kill Hughie. He is 200% completely justified in taking V24 and taking risks and collateral damage in the goal of killing Homelander. Not only that he showed he's willing to put his life on the line to do so.
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Jun 24, 2022 07:26
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Goddamn this show whips
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Jun 24, 2022 07:38
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Homerlander literally told Starlight if she doxes him, he'll destroy everything. I know we're on an internet forum, but it's okay to say Posting Harder isn't going to fix anything
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Jun 24, 2022 07:39
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NutritiousSnack posted:Homerlander literally told Starlight if she doxes him, he'll destroy everything. I know we're on an internet forum, but it's okay to say Posting Harder isn't going to fix anything Sometimes you just gotta post. gently caress the consequences
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Jun 24, 2022 07:42
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Yeah but Hughie's insistence that HE has to be the one physically involved in doing this is born out of nothing but his feelings of emasculation. Annie was onboard with working with him, she was recruiting people to work alongside her (actually following along/joining in with Maeve who had decided to try and use her powers to give Butcher an opening against Homelander) and as we see in this episode a group of superheroes working in concert CAN overpower Homelander but HE wanted to be the one to do it, because it bugs him that his girlfriend is stronger than him. Hughie's entire thing is about him wanting to feel like a "man" and get to revel in the same power he's seen others abusing. Every time we see him take the V we see that he's like a junkie getting a fix, and all his moral concerns are quickly falling by the wayside for the sake of convenience. I don't think it's a coincidence that this episode sees him confront A Train - who killed his ex-girlfriend and then put it behind him without a thought - and then still eagerly take part in the fight with Homelander AND leave with Soldier Boy after Soldier Boy caused the collateral damage that Hughie insisted he had to avoid, apparently willing to accept that innocent people like MM's family getting murdered is a necessity.
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Jun 24, 2022 07:44
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Chamale posted:That whole fight scene was loving terrible. After all this buildup of Homelander supposedly being a terrifying unstoppable demon, it turns out that Temp-V made Butcher and Hughie capable of trading blows with him. It took more people to stomp on Stormfront. We know that Homelander is strong enough to throw people into orbit or through stone walls, but instead we got boring superhero fisticuffs between him and Soldier Boy. I mean, that's the whole thing. Homelander is a terrifying unstoppable demon - which everyone knew from just the bare minimum power he has demonstrated so far or from tests that Vought did to him. Remember, they've tried every weapon on the planet and he shrugged it all off. As long as no one could challenge him, or at least didn't think they could, then he could just coast on the myth built around him until he believed it himself. After all, no one could disprove it or stop him until now. Homelander as a character is obviously unhinged, barely holding on to sanity and whatever humanity he has left. He just got his rear end kicked for the first time, by one of his heroes and two puny humans. Everyone is out to get him, no one is loyal, no one is trying to help him. He could use this "dark night of the soul" moment to change his ways for the better... or he could use it as a rationale to drop all the limitations that have held him back and really show what he can do.
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Jun 24, 2022 07:46
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It was crazy to see genuine fear on Homelander's face as he's on the brink of losing a fight. What a nutso episode.
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Jun 24, 2022 08:00
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How the hell are we getting two more seasons out of this?
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Jun 24, 2022 08:02
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Have to say--it was cathartic as all get-out to finally see Homelander on the receiving end of a physical beatdown. Something to check his ego, at long last.
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Jun 24, 2022 08:09
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah but Hughie's insistence that HE has to be the one physically involved in doing this is born out of nothing but his feelings of emasculation. Annie was onboard with working with him, she was recruiting people to work alongside her (actually following along/joining in with Maeve who had decided to try and use her powers to give Butcher an opening against Homelander) and as we see in this episode a group of superheroes working in concert CAN overpower Homelander but HE wanted to be the one to do it, because it bugs him that his girlfriend is stronger than him. I mean, yeah, but one of those emasculating moments was finding out his boss was rigging the 'official' way of handling Supes. This is a world where Ice Princess literally froze a dude's dick off, and he got somewhat lucky because Hughie saw a dude have his head crushed because a Supe came too hard, and the fact his girlfriend quite frankly is a very thin layer of protection against the increasingly unhinged Homelander. I know the show is trying to paint it as 'soft boyfriend sexism' but this outright extends into the fact everyone's life is in total and complete danger, and him standing around naked with his dick in his hand is actually the most useful he's been in the situation. When you think about this situation for ten seconds the show's theme this season falls apart. I mean is there any fundemental difference in Hughie hanging out with "a murderer" (all the Boys, and Starlight are killers) who shots out radiation or a Soviet Super Weapon that does massive collateral damage? Her sudden turn against it legit doesn't make sense given that. I mean once again, how does that Instragram post by Annie make a lick of sense given they already had the cellphone footage of Not 9/11 to hold over his head and how clear it's been made leaking anything like that is a bad idea? What is MM and her actual thought process here? The internal logic of the show should be that because of this civilization is about to end because their moral grandstanding and they can't accept in life you have to make ethical compromises and sell your cell to accomplish wider issues and see actual justice done. It's getting almost comical how the past two seasons was filled with 'I'd like to see Voight and Homelander get out of this one' only for Voight to get out of it easily by buying their way out of the consequences or the existential threat of Homerlander realizing doesn't need anyone else to survive and doesn't need to adhere to any rule of society because of it, especially because he isn't benefiting from the social bonds it provides in return. This is also not going into the fact Solider Boy is way more morally complicated than MM or Starlight think and it's clear he can be reasoned with, not remotely like Homelander or even most of the Seven (or what remains of them). I mean it's hard to take MM and her thought process seriously at all when the natural conclusion of the show is going to be The Boys and assorted decent Supes doing whatever it takes because Homelander finally goes totally off the rails.
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Jun 24, 2022 08:12
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Fionordequester posted:Have to say--it was cathartic as all get-out to finally see Homelander on the receiving end of a physical beatdown. Something to check his ego, at long last. yeah it was good. was hoping to see maeve though
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Jun 24, 2022 08:17
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CODChimera posted:yeah it was good. Apparently Maeve has the most screentime of any character in the finale, according to a full season review I read. Something like, "Maeve was noticeably absent all season but they made up for in the final..." (very vague upcoming episode spoilers)
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Jun 24, 2022 08:25
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christmas boots posted:How the hell are we getting two more seasons out of this? I hope it's just building up to Hughie becoming the villain after all.
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Jun 24, 2022 08:34
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Claudia Doumit (Neumann) and Jack Quaid (Hughie) are dating in real life, that explains their bagel sharing chemistry. I enjoyed Neumann maneouvering this time to try and pass education reform, of all things. This episode had so many ancillary scenes that were absolutely top notch. MM explaining the trauma behind his OCD hit like a truck (or a thrown Mercedes Benz).
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Jun 24, 2022 08:56
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The satire is sometimes too on the nose, like when A Train just recreated the pepsi commercial, but Soldier Boy going on about Bill Cosby and the brave Mujahedeen got me.
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Couple things didn't land for me this episode. Homelander's split personality thing is too explicit - I feel like this inner struggle was already obvious and this is kind of undermining the actor's performance. If it's literally a split personality and not just a one-off mirror pep talk then ugh. The Frenchie thing is way too disconnected from the main show now and cutting away to it while much more important poo poo is happening feels way too "oh yeah, this is a TV show with B-Plots." Soldier Boy and Homelander trading punches in the background while another B-Plot is resolved is, again, just way too TV and dragged this episode back from how good this season has been so far. The show was on a real upward trajectory but it's wobbling now
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