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Goddamn that was well done. Lots of actors got to do cool stuff; even better, they didn't put their "mix up the characterizations" episode in loving second place. I could have done more with Chapel in fantasy land, but she gets a lot of screen time already, give it to Ortegas. I sincerely teared up at the ending, it was played very well. Rukiya coming back to tell her dad he did the right thing could have killed it, but they made it work. And then a whole new set of feels when I found out it was a Benny Russell novel. That's monumental, hugely significant, and just plain a cool reference all in one.
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You know, that energy being seems powerful enough to make a fake Rukiyah to tell M'Benga to go away and not try to rescue his daughter.
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Arglebargle III posted:You know, that energy being seems powerful enough to make a fake Rukiyah to tell M'Benga to go away and not try to rescue his daughter. I thought about that too, but it just brought down my enjoyment of the episode, so without evidence evidence either way (other than "Rukiya" expressing that she is OK and safe) I'm choosing to ignore that possibility. Also, can I praise this crew again?
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muscles like this! posted:Lol, just read a thing about how Melissa Navia (Ortegas) heard that she would be playing a knight sometime in the season and started sword training for it with the stunt team. She had no clue what the context was or even what the fight was going to be but by god she would be prepared for it. I think she just heard "sword training" and, very rationally, went "that sounds loving awesome"
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Jun 24, 2022 04:39
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Kesper North posted:I think she just heard "sword training" and, very rationally, went "that sounds loving awesome" "drat, I can expense this now!"
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pik_d posted:"drat, I can expense this now!" LOL RIGHT As a consultant I do poo poo like this whenever possible.
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mllaneza posted:
That’s so loving rad I love this show.
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mllaneza posted:And then a whole new set of feels when I found out it was a Benny Russell novel. That's monumental, hugely significant, and just plain a cool reference all in one.  
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Finally had a chance to watch the episode and goddamn that was great. How the hell has this show not whiffed an episode yet? Only three weeks of SNW left  …but then Lower Decks S3 should be next, right? 
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I liked the fake-out of M'Benga getting dosed with his experiment, right up until Hemner appeared I thought the experience was a drug-induced hallucination. And what is it with Enterprise helmsmen being into swinging swords? This show is so good, y'all.
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Glad they resolved that plotline so quickly and not sometime in season three like every other show written in the past 20 years woulda
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Everyone's talking about missing Hemmer but not noticing missing Uhura? After the most recent episode I thought this was a p cool post to necro
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mllaneza posted:And then a whole new set of feels when I found out it was a Benny Russell novel. That's monumental, hugely significant, and just plain a cool reference all in one. 
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DaveKap posted:Secondly, I don't know what combination of director/editor/cinematographer/showrunner caused it to happen, but there were a lot of really lovely cuts in the episode. The fight scenes had 400% more cuts than necessary which made none of the action look cohesive and there were numerous times where someone was making a face or looking in a direction and the next cut had them giving a different expression and looking in a different direction. This must have been a really rough episode to produce. The handful of weird edits did make me laugh at one point, when Ortegas stomped her foot at Pike and he got scared and then a quick cut later he's suddenly all the way at the back of the crowd. I felt like that was a valid in-character move to cover that amount of ground that fast.
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Absolutely makes this one of the best trek episodes all time, good god they do not miss on this show
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I have had zero hope for Star Trek since the last few seasons of DS9. Nothing has come close. SNW has brought it back, and is absolutely phenomenal, I love it so much and it makes me happy.
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Incredible episode, at one point they do a reaction shot for the little dog  "I will send you to...... THE EVENT HORIZON!  "
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Great episode, absolutely shockingly low on IMDB, even lower than the last one. However the ending was utter, utter poo poo and almost ruined the episode entirely for me. Her going and coming back just felt so strange and SO rushed. That storyline is over then I guess? It's not a big deal but each step of it has been weirdly rushed and the only episode it felt at home was the one with the kid sacrifice. And the end of "you know what happened during the 5 hours we lost" and him just smiling was absolutely insane. It would have been a perfect spot for a briefing and him explaining, that would have been SO star trek. Honestly, just absolutely terrible way to end the episode and such a shame after it being so much fun.
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okay but when the entity left what happened to La'an's overly-affectionate purse dog??
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A lot of modern TV, especially modern Star Trek, has been so poorly made that my expectations and assumptions caused me to be unable to enjoy SNW as much as I could. When they introduced the characters and their backstories I was expecting that they would be handled poorly, or that they would just keep upping the stakes, or that it would go no where. You know, how on another show they introduce 100 things and then never use them, or they drag everything out forever and probably the show gets cancelled before they get a chance to resolve things. I never expected they would have a charming captain that uses humour and allows an amount of goofing around on the bridge when things are calm. It made his actions seem amateur at first, but then they show he is a skilled leader and knows how to get the best from his people. Also the tone of the show is so much more willing to get silly than I expected, allowing him to give a little pirate act in and it not seem out of place. The way they handle the "blind" engineer is also great. He isn't really blind at all, just doesn't use his eyes to see. Uhura steps in it once and gets told (we the audience get told) that he doesn't have a disability, he just had different abilities. And for the rest of the show he is a fun character where they acknowledge that his eyes don't work when it makes sense, but never treat him like he can't do something. And this last episode with him hamming it up was just so good. And the main thing, the doctor's daughter in the background of this season. I expected they would drag it out. I expected they would forget about it. I thought maybe they would bring back an alien some time in another season, or that they would keep finding things that could maybe cure her, but for whatever reasons don't. Maybe they would cure her but then she would sort of disappear most of the time like Worf's kids on TNG. What they did was excellent. They used her where they could in a few episodes where it made sense or didn't get in the way of whatever the A plot was, and then they resolved it. The fact that they used a sentient space cloud as an excuse to let the cast ham it up like they were in a fairy tale and have a fun lighthearted episode with that bittersweet ending is just so perfect. [spoilers]Having her come back and tell her father everything was okay was absolutely necessary. Again, modern TV has primed us to think the worst and if they don't say everything is okay people would assume that something bad actually happened. This way the father and daughter get closure and the audience gets to see that, no really, everything worked out fine for her. Not to mention the theme of the book and the theme of the episode being tied together with having to make a choice about letting go. That's basic stuff but new Star Trek has been so bad before this you can't even expect basics like that to be done right.[/spoilers] Anyway, I think it's the perfect blend of serial and episodic story telling. It's got a great mix of serious story telling and fun. The sets and costumes and all that stuff is great. For me it feels like such a return to form for Star Trek and really classic TV in general. I love that I can put on an episode of TV and be glad I watched it. I'm so happy that there is a contained story so I don't feel like I need to watch the whole season to get any sort of resolution. And I like fun. I am so glad the people making this are having fun and it comes across on the screen. Now that my expectations have been re-calibrated I can let my guard down and just enjoy the show without fear that I'm about to see the dumbest poo poo ever put on screen.
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Grand Fromage posted:It felt to me like they were mocking the line there so I was fine with it. Butternubs posted:There was one big glaring flaw in this episode: not enough Christina Chong singing. It seems like we're gonna close out this season without an Ortegas-centric episode but I'm not gonna be too sad about it because it does seem like the character gets more consistent, even play each episode than anyone else gets. I look forward to the inevitable episode that does focus on her, though. Early Season 2 is my bet. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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I think I miss the doomposting most of all. Can someone at least sideswipe a producer or writer? This Sunshine, Lolipops, And Rainbows poo poo is loving weird for an SA thread.
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I miss when Lower Decks was new and it almost felt like trolling when I said it was a good show! 
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I love episodes where you get the main characters playing different characters because of reasons. You know, like holodecks, alien probes, alien space rays, alien telepathy, alien illusions, and even alien holodecks. I even liked that goofy episode where Data became a culture. This one was right up that alley, and it was a lot of fun, especially Princess Flatbread And Her Little Dog II and Captain Chamberlain. The others I saw didn't seem to veer too far from their normal characters, as far as I was concerned, but were still fun to watch. The innuendo between Swords and Arrows seemed a little odd when it became clear to me that all of this was coming from the mind of a prepubescent little girl, as it was a somewhat grown-up way to approach the subject of one-night-stands and/or on-again, off-again relationships. But, it served a purpose in the plot, and the dynamic between them was funny and believable. No complaints. And having gotten to know Hemmer a little bit in his few appearances, I'm so glad they let him play the other straight man in the whole scenario. He was the perfect choice. I love that he actually started to get into it toward the end. Mainly, though, I'm glad we don't have a girl stuck in the transporter anymore. As was noted earlier, that ties the hands of the writers any time they want to put the ship in danger, because they either have to limit the danger to avoid bring up TranspoGirl, or they have to bring her out of the buffer and now we've got Hide TranspoGirl as a C-plot. I feel like this aspect was not well thought-out, and I'm glad it's done now and forever.
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I can't believe Hemmer's telepathic power level is higher than Spock's, since Spock couldn't resist the mind takeover. It would be extremely funny though if Spock did and just played along because it seemed like fun hijinks.
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The real question I have after this episode: How long until Debra the Nebula shows up in Lower Decks? Also, it was cool seeing Hemmer being a bit of a romantic as he got involved with the story.
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tarlibone posted:Mainly, though, I'm glad we don't have a girl stuck in the transporter anymore. As was noted earlier, that ties the hands of the writers any time they want to put the ship in danger, because they either have to limit the danger to avoid bring up TranspoGirl, or they have to bring her out of the buffer and now we've got Hide TranspoGirl as a C-plot. I feel like this aspect was not well thought-out, and I'm glad it's done now and forever. Why have it at all though? It's so unbelievably weird. I could understand if it was a discovery style "it's a different writer to who it was before" or even if it was canon in TOS that they wanted to acknowledge and get rid of. But neither of those apply!
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Taear posted:And the end of "you know what happened during the 5 hours we lost" and him just smiling was absolutely insane. It would have been a perfect spot for a briefing and him explaining, that would have been SO star trek. He started explaining to Number One with "It starts like all good stories: once upon a time..." I assumed it has to do with keeping it on the down-low for possibly getting in trouble for using the transporter that way
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galenanorth posted:He started explaining to Number One with "It starts like all good stories: once upon a time..." I assumed it has to do with keeping it on the down-low for possibly getting in trouble for using the transporter that way Keeping five hours of people's life a secret just seems insane, like that has to be explained!
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AfroSquirrel posted:The real question I have after this episode: How long until Debra the Nebula shows up in Lower Decks? Debula 
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Taear posted:Keeping five hours of people's life a secret just seems insane, like that has to be explained! it really doesn't seem like the implication is that he's going to keep the secret, it's just the magic of TV editing where he sighs and smiles and gives a pithy lead-in, and the viewer's understanding would be that he continues to describe what happened as the show cuts to credits
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The Chairman posted:it really doesn't seem like the implication is that he's going to keep the secret, it's just the magic of TV editing where he sighs and smiles and gives a pithy lead-in, and the viewer's understanding would be that he continues to describe what happened as the show cuts to credits Yeah plus I mean he breaking regulations probably holding his daughter in the buffer but the show has pretty unequivocally established Pike as someone who will never, ever report it I thought it was charming tbh, I like the little one-on-one interactions e: one small thing I really liked was the Afro-futurist touches on both versions of Rukiya's outfit
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This episode was just a joy from start to finish. Hemmer playing along with the magic (OF SCIENCE  ) was my favorite part.
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Taear posted:Keeping five hours of people's life a secret just seems insane, like that has to be explained! You have to keep in mind that this happens maybe 2-3 times a year to any given starfleet crew. Nobody dies this time, just a few crossbow wounds, not even the worst fantasy event this year and losing 5 hours? who gives a poo poo, some people end up in an alien mind prison for 20 years at a time. They all signed the waver before the came on board.
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TomR posted:A lot of modern TV, especially modern Star Trek, has been so poorly made that my expectations and assumptions caused me to be unable to enjoy SNW as much as I could. When they introduced the characters and their backstories I was expecting that they would be handled poorly, or that they would just keep upping the stakes, or that it would go no where. You know, how on another show they introduce 100 things and then never use them, or they drag everything out forever and probably the show gets cancelled before they get a chance to resolve things. My thing with the goofs and witty banter is i want them to reign them in by exactly 10%. There's a bunch of gags where I love the interaction, have a good laugh, and then they drop one more line that just feels a bit much. Like the "shoot the engines.... Gently...." followed by Pike wincing and gently ribbing Ortegas. Good bit, professional, but funny. Love it. Then Ortegas' "what does shooting gently even mean?" feels too unprofessional and silly to me. Yes, I have mathematically defined the exact level and type of humour I want, and expect the show to meet my precise specifications.
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