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MonsieurChoc posted:In 1e Rogue Trader you really wanted to be a Mechanicus dude. Completely OP. Wrong 1e Rogue Trader. In the real 1e Rogue Trader, you really wanted to be an Inquisitor: 
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Mulva posted:That's entirely wrong. Sanctioned psykers are soul-bound to the Emperor, and it gives them a bit of a cushion. It allows them to go further than unsanctioned ones, who are universally just the worst. Sanctioned psykers are the best of the best on top of that, because if you are just average they feed your soul to the Emperor. You are too much of a risk not to. So to be sanctioned is to be exceptional, and then there are degrees on top of that. A Primaris Psyker is the type of dude that can just drop a detachment with a mind-storm. An alpha psyker can just control an army or blow up a spaceship with their mind. maybe a mix-up with unbound daemonhosts, which are the strongest type?
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FishMcCool posted:Wrong 1e Rogue Trader. In the real 1e Rogue Trader, you really wanted to be an Inquisitor: I unironically love this so much
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In RT rules, Psykers had Psy Rating (normally 2-8), which governed how effective their powers were. They could use it Fettered, which meant halved, but no chance of poo poo going wrong, Unfettered, where poo poo went wrong if you rolled doubles on d100, or Push (get a bonus to Psy Rating) where poo poo always went wrong. Unsanctioned psykers could Push their powers further, getting a max +4 bonus to their Psy Rating, while Sanctioned Psykers could Push up to +3. Unsanctioned psykers were much, much more liable to cause poo poo to go sideways. When things went wrong, Psykers had to roll d100 Psychic Phenomena table where everything under 75 was just little thing, but 75+ was full-blown warp poo poo with their own random table, and Unsanctioned psykers had +5 per psy rating to Psychic Phenomena roll even at Unfettered. When Pushing their power, you always had to roll Psychic Phenomena, and sanctioned Psykers added +15, whereas unsanctioned added a whopping +40. Warden fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Jun 24, 2022 09:25
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FishMcCool posted:Wrong 1e Rogue Trader. In the real 1e Rogue Trader, you really wanted to be an Inquisitor: *tips Space-Fedora* M'Emperor.
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Blockhouse posted:I wonder if this game's actually going to have romance in it because that's so rare in 40k as to be almost non-existent. IIRC there was a short story in one of the army books about a battle sister and a space marine who fell in love and were both executed for heresy.
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While we're doing infodumps, may as well do one on Xenos. Basically, there are a lot of alien species and factions out in the galaxy. The Imperium's official stance on them is usually kill on sight, but on the fringes of Imperial control (or in desperate circumstances) you do occasionally see uneasy truces or even outright cooperation. Here's a very much non-complete list of the major alien species around in the universe: Eldar: Basically space elves. They live extremely long, all have psychic powers to one degree or another, and have access to extremely advanced technology. Some 10,000 years before the current time, they were basically the de-facto masters of the galaxy. Trouble was, they let that get extremely to their heads. They turned to extreme hedonism, which unfortunately included being absolute torture-happy assholes to any other species they came across. It got so bad that the psychic concentration of their sheer hosed-up-ness spontaneously birthed a whole new Chaos god, who promptly went and devoured the souls of like 90% of the Eldar population. Now they are a shadow of their former selves and have splintered into three rough factions: - Dark Eldar: These didn't learn a single loving thing and are just as bad (if not worse) as before the fall. They're still all about torture and being horrible, now spiced up with some horrible cloning and bioengineering. Pretty much everybody else hates them and doesn't want anything to do with them, except sometimes the other Eldar factions. - Craftworld Eldar: Before the fall, several tribes of Eldar went and peaced out to live on giant generation ships called Craftworlds. They live a very regimented and ascetic lifestyle to avoid a repeat of the fall, and tend to be less immediately hostile towards other species. They can be reasoned with and have cooperated with humans in the past, but they still happily will pull poo poo like sacrificing several human worlds just to save a handful of Eldar lives. - Outcasts: These are individual unaligned Eldar who are just out there doing their own thing, usually out of a sense of Wanderlust. Some are doing piracy, some live primitive lives on specially prepared Maiden worlds, some just look for adventure. The one Eldar party member they've shown so far is very likely one of these. Orks: Big, green, and mean. Basically, a long time back some people tried to make a sentient bioweapon, and Orks were the result. They only thing they really care about in life is having a proper fight, they can slap together workable weapons, space ships, and war machines from any old scrap and wreckage, and they reproduce by fighting. Also they all got the personality of a British football hooligan. There are Ork tribes scattered throughout the entire galaxy attacking whoever they com across, and the trouble with them is that the harder you try to defeat them the more of them will come because they smell a good fight. They can be sort of reasoned with and occasionally work as mercenaries, but they're notoriously difficult to keep in line and may quickly turn on their own side if they think that makes for a better fight. They can sometimes be found in a Rogue Trader's retinue, but that's somewhat rare. Necrons: One of the oldest races in the galaxy, mostly owing to the fact they at some point in the far past they all uploaded their consciousnesses into artificial robot bodies. They had hibernated underground in Tomb Worlds for millions of years, but have recently started to awaken once more. The minds of most of them have significantly degenerated and the average Necron is little more than a murder automaton, but their higher noble class have held it together better and still have actual personalities. Most of them are bent on rebuilding their ancient empire (which usually involves eradication of all other species), but very rarely they end up cooperating with other species for a particular goal. They're also the source of a whole bunch of extremely weird and powerful artifacts scattered around the galaxy, which is the main way a Rogue Trader might end up coming in conflict with them. T'au: In a way, they're what happens if you took a fairly standard sci-fi empire and dropped them into the hellscape that is the 40k universe. They're united under a collectivist, utilitarian philosophy they call the Greater Good, and unlike just about every other faction they actually aren't virulently xenophobic. They usually approach other species with diplomacy first, and have integrated several other species (including some humans) in their empire. But that shouldn't give you the idea they're necessarily nice guys, internally they operate by a rigid caste system, they're very much willing to annex other factions by force if their Greater Good demands it, and there are hints that they're using some variety of pheromone or mind control to keep everyone in line. They're a pretty small empire so far and fairly confined to their corner of the galaxy, so it might be they won't show up in the game. But they also are one of the most approachable alien factions, which makes them a good source for illicit but profitable alien technology for an enterprising Rogue Trader. Tyranids: Imagine a race composed of Xenomorphs and things that are somehow even worse. A hive mind whose only goal is consuming every little speck of biomass in the galaxy. They arrived in absolutely gigantic hive fleets from outside their galaxy and are slowly making inroads, consuming everything in their way. There is no negotiating with them, they don't have any technology usable by anybody else, they are truly kill on sight for every other race. If they do show up in game, it'll be only as an enemy to kill or escape from. These are the main ones, but apart from them there are also countless minor alien races around, usually confined to a single planet or system at a time.
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Perestroika posted:Necrons: One of the oldest races in the galaxy, mostly owing to the fact they at some point in the far past they all uploaded their consciousnesses into artificial robot bodies. They had hibernated underground in Tomb Worlds for millions of years, but have recently started to awaken once more. The minds of most of them have significantly degenerated and the average Necron is little more than a murder automaton, but their higher noble class have held it together better and still have actual personalities. Most of them are bent on rebuilding their ancient empire (which usually involves eradication of all other species), but very rarely they end up cooperating with other species for a particular goal. They're also the source of a whole bunch of extremely weird and powerful artifacts scattered around the galaxy, which is the main way a Rogue Trader might end up coming in conflict with them. Also, the green-glowing floating pyramid island in the trailer is definitely Necron tech of some sort, so they’re likely to be very important to the plot. (They have a neon green light and metal colour scheme and strong Egyptian theming.)
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Blockhouse posted:I wonder if this game's actually going to have romance in it because that's so rare in 40k as to be almost non-existent. I wouldn't say it's rare, just that it's almost never the focus. The Ciaphas Cain books have both a straight and a lesbian couple, and those relationships seem to be strong, and that's not counting the strong relationship Cain has with Amberly (albeit with the constant specter of their power differences). Eisenhorn and his Acolyte Alizabeth Bequin are deeply in love with each other, though is is... somewhat complicated by the fact that he's a psyker and she's a Blank. There's a romance between a Navigator and regular human in the friggin' Night Lords books that has a happy ending. I'm sure there's more, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. Anno posted:More companion stuff Oh wow that's cool I wonder- quote:unsanctioned psyker  EDIT (re: Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau): 
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Perestroika posted:
Since they're mentioned in Clouseau's backstory, the Jokaero are a fairly unusual alien race in that the imperium tolerates them, and lets them make weapons for them. The official line I believe is that they're non-sentient animals that just happen to assemble complex technology like they were playing with it. The most well-known are the aforementioned 'digital weapons', a whole weapon packed into a ring worn on the finger (Hence 'digital'). Also they're orangutans. 
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Star Traders: Frontiers is discount Rogue Trader and their other game, Templar Battleforce, is discount space marines. They're both decent I think. It's honestly kind of amazing nobody really did Rogue Trader cRPG until that game (kinda) and this game.CommissarMega posted:If Owlcat includes a Tau companion at any point and make them romanceable I will absolutely lose my poo poo at all the neckbeards losing their poo poo I am still hoping to one day see the Slaanesh's birth-scale implosion of the fandom that'd happen if female space marines were ever introduced. It'd be like the Star Wars black stormtrooper outrage times a million.
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Lassitude posted:I am still hoping to one day see the Slaanesh's birth-scale implosion of the fandom that'd happen if female space marines were ever introduced. It'd be like the Star Wars black stormtrooper outrage times a million. It should have been entirely possble to have had female primarch. They're all somehow modified clones of the emperor, who's male, so he has both an X and Y chromosome. So you can have reverse sex "clones" of men but repeating the X, but not women (because there's no Y reference in that case). What I'm saying is GW should absolutely do it. New all female space marine chapter with a female clone of the emperor primarch. e: Go full troll and make her the strongest with the logic that the emperors Y chromosome was the weakest part of his genome. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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CottonWolf posted:It should have been entirely possble to have had female primarch. They're all somehow modified clones of the emperor, who's male, so he has both an X and Y chromosome. So you can have reverse sex "clones" of men but repeating the X, but not women (because there's no Y reference in that case). What I'm saying is GW should absolutely do it. New all female space marine chapter with a female clone of the emperor primarch. 'Archmagos, you can't make female Space Marines!' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv9vghU317I&t=14s
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I'm curious what causes a goon to lore dump. A cup of coffee and a cigarette?
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Sometimes the lore is all jammed up inside you, and you have to take a pill. Then the lore dumps out, and it's full of interesting tidbits, and corn.
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I just want a potential Kroot ally. They were always one of the most interesting things in 40k and having one friendly would be fantastic.
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Twigand Berries posted:I'm curious what causes a goon to lore dump. A cup of coffee and a cigarette? I can't speak for others, but here, the scent of an outnerding opportunity is irresistible.
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Kokoro Wish posted:I just want a potential  
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modded scrunts when
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Sometimes the lore is all jammed up inside you, and you have to take a pill. Then the lore dumps out, and it's full of interesting tidbits, and
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Lassitude posted:Star Traders: Frontiers is discount Rogue Trader and their other game, Templar Battleforce, is discount space marines. They're both decent I think. It's honestly kind of amazing nobody really did Rogue Trader cRPG until that game (kinda) and this game. Going to second this and say that if you want to play Rogue Trader now, Star Trader: Frontiers is the closest you can get and excellent on its own terms. And half off at $7.50 for Steam Summer Sale! Pilot a ship through a large sector (there’a a standard map or you can randomly generate your own). Take on a variety of missions (delivery, escort, acquiring goods, assassination, exploration, xeno-hunting etc) and earn reputation with the 8 noble house factions, or just travel around buying low and selling high. Fight pirates, enemy faction military, and hostile xeno in space ship vs ship battles and crew vs crew combat. Land on pristine worlds and explore them to for rare trade goods to sell. Set blockades above planets to squeeze them for cash or run patrols above planets to earn positive reputation with their faction. Gather intel from spying on planets or hacking enemy ships in combat, and sell it for cash and rep. Make contacts and run missions for them to build rep and unlock options like upgraded trade, military, and assassination licenses, access to rare trade goods yielding extra profit and reputation when sold, special combat gear for your crew, and higher level recruits. Level your captain, officers, and crew to increase their attributes and unlock game-changing talents. It’s good fun I’ve put 100+ hours into. There are also android and iOS versions as well with its full features. The developer’s next game is Cyber Knights—Shadowrun but with the numbers filed off.
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Yvonmukluk posted:gently caress , they could even do it in HH, they've said in lore both sides did all kind of slapdash experiments to make up the numbers during the HH, just say several people did it during the Heresy, but it was promptly buried because Big E said the Legiones Astartes were NO GIRLS ALLOWED. Then 10,000 years later: Even Malcador suggested to the Emperor that the primarchs should have been women. The emperor thought he was joking. He wasn't.
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Kokoro Wish posted:I just want a potential Kroot ally. They were always one of the most interesting things in 40k and having one friendly would be fantastic. Kroot mercs are a playable NPC in the TTRPG, and they have one of the strongest traits in the game (IMHO), in that they can substitute your group's Profit Factor (basically, how much money you're making) for their Willpower stat. For those of you who don't know, WP is the stat that determines things like resisting fear and corruption, so if you're rich enough it's mechanically possible for a Kroot merc to stand in the Eye of Terror and give Khorne both fingers without breaking a sweat  papasyhotcakes posted:Even Malcador suggested to the Emperor that the primarchs should have been women. The emperor thought he was joking. He wasn't. One one hand, Malcador was right. On the other hand:  I have more. CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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I have found my Prophet.
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Pretty sure they textually doubled down on NO GIRLS ALLOWED recently so I wouldn’t get my hopes up for them to slaughter the dumbest sacred cow any time soon.
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I feel like the spacemarines are so ripped, jacked up on steroids, and genetically enhanced that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in gender without taking their shorts off. GW should double-down on that and just say that a SMs gender is irrelevant due to science/spacemagic and the armor looks the same no matter what's going on underneath the carapace. I always figured it was kinda like captain america, they select the people with the right mind for the job then make the body fit for it later. Boob armor is stupid anyway.
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They should piss everyone off. No girl marines, but confirm that the boys no longer have genitals, because they no longer have reproductive or excretion organs. Once a week the marine coughs up a pellet.
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Lexorin posted:I feel like the spacemarines are so ripped, jacked up on steroids, and genetically enhanced that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in gender without taking their shorts off. There's precedent for this in the tabletop game space, as the citizens of Alpha Complex in Paranoia, being vat-grown and cloned rather than reproducing the old-fashioned way, have be rendered completely sexless by the assorted chemicals that keep them docile and focused on serving Friend Computer. From what I'd heard of them, that's basically what I'd assumed Space Marines were under their armor, just redrawn by Rob Liefeld.
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Elfface posted:They should piss everyone off. No girl marines, but confirm that the boys no longer have genitals, because they no longer have reproductive or excretion organs. Once a week the marine coughs up a pellet. This is my preferred solution. The Emperor did not waste precious genetic resources on creating gene-enhanced dongs.
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He absolutely would waste resource on enhanced dongs. The emperor was an enormous idiot.
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Terrible Opinions posted:He absolutely would waste resource on enhanced dongs. The emperor was an enormous idiot. The same person who, while being 12 feet tall, glowing, and waving his hands to wipe out enemies by the dozen went "lol no one is dumb enough to think I am a God"
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FishMcCool posted:Wrong 1e Rogue Trader. In the real 1e Rogue Trader, you really wanted to be an Inquisitor: This is just Disco Elysium by way of 40k.
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pentyne posted:The same person who, while being 12 feet tall, glowing, and waving his hands to wipe out enemies by the dozen went "lol no one is dumb enough to think I am a God" The Guy who actually looks nothing like that and actively wants to project that image through his massive psychic power.
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Yeah real Emperor is appearntly around 6 ft tall.
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Is there anything on what the Necrons looked like before they were skeletonized? I assume pretty much just people, of an ancient Egyptian variety...
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Mordja posted:Is there anything on what the Necrons looked like before they were skeletonized? I assume pretty much just people, of an ancient Egyptian variety... they looked like cancer.
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Love the Necrons. Trazyn the Infinite is always a blast.
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Warmachine posted:This is just Disco Elysium by way of 40k. Raphael Ambrosius Costeau is a very 40k name...
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Yvonmukluk posted:gently caress , they could even do it in HH, they've said in lore both sides did all kind of slapdash experiments to make up the numbers during the HH, just say several people did it during the Heresy, but it was promptly buried because Big E said the Legiones Astartes were NO GIRLS ALLOWED. Then 10,000 years later: I think even Fabius "Fabulous Bill" Bile also at one point said he doesn't understand why Emps excluded women from becoming Space Marines, since that's like half of the human galaxy that he's not recruiting from. And if anyone in 40k is making fem marines, it's gonna be that guy.
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Terrible Opinions posted:He absolutely would waste resource on enhanced dongs. The emperor was an enormous idiot. Perhaps my favourite example of the Emperor being an incredible idiot was everything to do with Magnus. The emperor specifically creates a primarch who is very good at doing psyker stuff (and by extension an entire leigon of space marines good at psyker stuff), but then goes and tells him "you probably shouldn't use psyker stuff actually, only I should get to". Eventually he goes a step further and completely forbids Magnus from doing any psyker stuff at all (mostly because his brothers were salty bitchbabies about it), basically telling Magnus that he is now worthless and superfluous. Eventually Magnus breaks that proscription for the entirely sensible reason that he's wanted to warn the emperor about the literal civil war that has started on the outskirts of the Imperium. What does the emperor do after receiving the incredibly fortuitous warning just in time that might just allow him to forestall the worst? He throws an absolute bitchfit because Magnus destroyed his super secret project in the process, completely by accident. After that display Magnus quite understandably decides "well gently caress all this then" and joins the traitors. Idiotic leader, terrible father.
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