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SourKraut posted:Reading this thread regarding the 6-3 decision on Bruen, and how hopeless everything is with a 6-3 court, then taking a look at TFR and seeing people jerk off over this to thoughts of Thomas and Alito saving their hobbies... really crack pings my mental state. The type of militant gun owners that hang out in TFR are like qanon people, transphobes, and incels in that they have a world view that is incompatible with a functioning society. There's no real solution until the big online platforms shut down the algorithmic pipelines because they're stuck in a toxic filter bubble at this point. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DrThief posted:Been reading this thread for the last few days and as a European I find it completely bewildering how the USA, the oldest democracy in the world, allows 9 unelected officials to dictate social, fiscal and other serious policy without any checks from the other branches of the government. The legislative branch can overrule the Court on any issue that it finds the required majorities for. I would agree with the idea that the Court has to much influence over the different areas of policy, but that's not because they grabbed the power, but because the legislative branch is unable to do anything themselves - e.g. codify Roe or amend the constitution with respect to gunrights. Putting X additional judges on the Court would not change that fact, expect that it would allow the party currently in control of the White House/Senate to change the makeup of the Court in their favor. Mandatory retirment ages might be a tool to prevent a party from keeping control of a seat through strategic retirement, but that one requires a constitutional amendment, which puts us back on square one.
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DrThief posted:Been reading this thread for the last few days and as a European I find it completely bewildering how the USA, the oldest democracy in the world, allows 9 unelected officials to dictate social, fiscal and other serious policy without any checks from the other branches of the government. There are checks from the other branches of government. It's just that the other branches of government have become increasingly ineffective and dysfunctional over time, while the Supreme Court hasn't undergone a corresponding decline. This means that not only are they unable to effectively exercise their ability to check the Supreme Court's power, but the Supreme Court has sought to expand its political role to make up for the other branches' ineffectiveness. That's also why any effort to overhaul the Supreme Court is a non-starter. The problem is fundamentally that the other branches don't have the political will to stand against the Court in the first place. The increasingly problematic nature of the court is just a symptom of a much larger decay in our overall system of government. Don't get me wrong, the Supreme Court probably does need some reforms apart from that. Even a century ago, the Court tended to win conflicts with the other branches in the long run simply because its composition didn't change that often. If the Supreme Court was at odds with the other branches, then it could typically win the fight by just dragging things out - the odds were good that elections would cause a political shift in the other branches well before enough judges died to shift the position of the Court. But the problem right now is that the other branches are so bogged down in their own messes that they won't even put up the slightest resistance anymore. Main Paineframe fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Yeah, the real issue is the Senate and the supermajority requirement. If we had a functioning legislature they could easily correct any issues the court identified with the law, things would be a lot different. Some people like to doompost that in this scenario the court would just play Calvinball and arbitrarily start knocking down every law they don't like over and over again for paper-thin bullshit reasons. I'm not really worried about that, because in a hypothetical future world where we actually eliminate the filibuster and start passing actual, meaningful progressive legislation, it would not be difficult to pack the court as well if necessary. Its getting to that world in the first place which is a bit difficult.
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SourKraut posted:Reading this thread regarding the 6-3 decision on Bruen, and how hopeless everything is with a 6-3 court, then taking a look at TFR and seeing people jerk off over this to thoughts of Thomas and Alito saving their hobbies... really crack pings my mental state. My friend, I understand your frustration, but let's not step out onto the ledge quite yet. All this ruling did on a short scale was make New York the same as the rest of the USA, which functionally changes very little about the chances of a mass shooting at a school. Someone who shoots up a school is not going to be making sure their paperwork is in order before they do it. Yes it opens the door to more drastic things down the road, but let's not talk about self harm over *what might possibly happen*.
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CuddleCryptid posted:My friend, I understand your frustration, but let's not step out onto the ledge quite yet. All this ruling did on a short scale was make New York the same as the rest of the USA, which functionally changes very little about the chances of a mass shooting at a school. Someone who shoots up a school is not going to be making sure their paperwork is in order before they do it. Also, literally zero school shootings have been done by legal concealed carriers who went bonkers after entering the school. More people carrying guns while out and about is absolutely a bad thing but it's pretty much orthogonal to the particular issue of people shooting up schools. Not directed at anyone in particular, but if following these events is causing anyone serious distress, just stop following them for a while. It makes exactly zero difference to how things play out--that's kind of the bulk of the problem, that the public can't get these assholes to knock it off. The idea that wallowing in the minutia of poo poo they can't actually affect is somehow empowering or necessary even when it materially impacts their well-being is exactly the kind of maladaptive coping strategy therapists try to talk people out of. Anyone feeling the urge to try to get goons in this or any other thread to talk them off a figurative or metaphorical ledge would be better served logging off for a few days. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Main Paineframe posted:There are checks from the other branches of government. The real solution is to ensure there are equal number of liberal and conservative judges on the Supreme Court to ensure every decision is bipartisan and therefor only effectual for capital.
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SourKraut posted:Reading this thread regarding the 6-3 decision on Bruen, and how hopeless everything is with a 6-3 court, then taking a look at TFR and seeing people jerk off over this to thoughts of Thomas and Alito saving their hobbies... really crack pings my mental state. If reading about politics on the internet makes you feel like this, then you really need to log off. Uninstall Twitter, stop reading the news for a few days, and go find yourself a hobby. Mass shootings are still tremendously rare. While they're certainly happening way more often than any sane person should want them to, the chances of your own kids being involved in a school shooting are still extremely remote. To be clear, I'm not saying people shouldn't care about mass shootings because they're rare. If you want to get involved and do things to make mass shootings even rarer, that's good and you should do that! But if your only response to mass shooting news is to have panic attacks or dream about the deaths of yourself and/or those close to you, then you are not actually accomplishing anything or helping anyone by reading about mass shootings all the time. You're just hurting yourself for no good reason. Stop it.
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Dobbs ruling issued, same essecially as the leaked document. Written by Alito, concurred by Roberts. Roe V Wade is official dead.
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Dobbs just dropped. Bye Roe, Griswold next
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"It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives." Bullshit. Why do guns get a historical test that the people's elected representatives are not able to handle, but abortion is able to be handed to the people's representatives.
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Cimber posted:"It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives." Guns, like corporations and evangelicals, are people and have inherent rights. Women, and others capable of carrying children, are only things, and must be carefully regulated by legislatures
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So is this ruling the same as the draft that leaked?
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Glad my wife miscarried at 20 weeks two weeks ago instead of now because Georgia would now force her into sepsis, killing her and the fetus instead of ending the nonviable pregnancy and keeping her alive
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1540338064324698112?s=20&t=rHXOH-T8Qi7t-5rplqvh6Q yeah there is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that same-sex marriage is next on the chopping block
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:yeah there is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that same-sex marriage is next on the chopping block
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Hmm, so, Clarence, should we review Loving v. Virginia too?
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1540338064324698112?s=20&t=rHXOH-T8Qi7t-5rplqvh6Q Extremely glad my partner and I have massively accelerated our plans and will be married by the end of the year. Having a pre-existing marriage may or may not save us in the event that Obergefell goes but it's better than nothing. haveblue posted:Reading the scotusblog live feed, it sounds like Roberts' contribution is to beg the court to slow down and return to frog boiling Oh no, Roberts, are you mad your allegorical murder trolley is now under the control of a cabal of multi-track drifting enthusiasts? So sad.
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1540338064324698112?s=20&t=rHXOH-T8Qi7t-5rplqvh6Q gently caress. No other words for this. SCOTUS needs to be ripped asunder. Glad we got my spouses tubes tied after our 2nd kid.
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The conservative legal movement understands power and recognizes that power is to be wielded to remake the world in your vision. The liberals have no answer for this because they view power as a thing simply to hold and marvel at. Of the people who didn’t want and could have stopped this by making better choices, I blame, in descending order, RBG, Hillary, and Obama. Joe Biden is up there too
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Does anyone know if there's already cases working their way through lower courts that'll let SCOTUS overturn Griswold and Obergfell? Thomas explicitly called for them to be overturned in his concurrence, so I'd assume that means someone is going to petition SCOTUS to do exactly that fairly soon.
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What can be done about it? Will people simply accept the loss of gay marriage? The loss of condoms and birth control pills? I’m pretty sure they will. There’s no channel for my sense of dissatisfaction. There’s nowhere that I can turn, that I can see at the moment, anyway.
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HashtagGirlboss posted:The conservative legal movement understands power and recognizes that power is to be wielded to remake the world in your vision. The liberals have no answer for this because they view power as a thing simply to hold and marvel at. Of the people who didn’t want and could have stopped this by making better choices, I blame, in descending order, RBG, Hillary, and Obama. Joe Biden is up there too Obama allowed a seat to be stolen from him (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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azflyboy posted:Does anyone know if there's already cases working their way through lower courts that'll let SCOTUS overturn Griswold and Obergfell?
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haveblue posted:Reading the scotusblog live feed, it sounds like Roberts' contribution is to beg the court to slow down and return to frog boiling perhaps he should murder-suicide them all (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cimber posted:At this very moment abortion is now illegal in a number of states, as they had laws on the books that explicitly said that said law would not take effect until the moment that the SC revoked Roe. It's going to be something to see what happens in all the legacy law states. Michigan, my state, is one of them, so we now have made abortion illegal. But the Gov, state DA, and the county DAs of most counties with major cities in them have all gone on record saying that no one will actually be persecuted for it. That said, AFAIK Planned Parenthood's plan is still to basically shut down and not being persecuted is not the same as not spending time in pretrial jail. At any rate, it's a good time to remember that vasectomies are cheap, fairly painless, and far safer than any of the other medical options.
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I AM GRANDO posted:What can be done about it? Will people simply accept the loss of gay marriage? The loss of condoms and birth control pills? I’m pretty sure they will. There’s no channel for my sense of dissatisfaction. There’s nowhere that I can turn, that I can see at the moment, anyway. Well the civil rights era was full of stochastic terror attacks on governmental buildings, politicians' homes and offices, etc, so I imagine that's where people are going to turn again. It's interesting how well documented the collapse of the US legal framework is, I'm sure it'll be good reading for whoever survives us.
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I AM GRANDO posted:What can be done about it? Will people simply accept the loss of gay marriage? The loss of condoms and birth control pills? I’m pretty sure they will. There’s no channel for my sense of dissatisfaction. There’s nowhere that I can turn, that I can see at the moment, anyway. People will easily accept it all. The truth is they "care", but not that much. It is lot like how a lot of people would answer yes if you ask them should we save the polar bears. All of it falls under the category of "sure, if someone else can take care of that issue, I guess that would be swell, but it doesn't bother me enough to make me do anything about it". FlamingLiberal posted:Agreed "Allowed" ...sure, if that makes you feel better.
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I hope all the ladies who protest voted for Jill Stein are happy.
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This is also all happening during historically high flight prices. Tens of thousands of forced births are going to happen in the near future.
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Is anyone aware of any charities that I can donate to that *directly* impact women's ability to get an abortion? I'm thinking like organizations that provide transportation, that kind of thing.
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I would like to overturn Washington v Great Britain please and thank you.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Agreed I mean if we are going to this level of rhetoric any leftist that didn't vote for Hillary Clinton as a means to stick it the Democratic Party is culpable.
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Cimber posted:I hope all the ladies who protest voted for Jill Stein are happy. This is an miserable take, thank you. I hope you reconsider your absolutely rotten morality. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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