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Jealous Cow posted:“Already settled case law” And scotus is allowed to overturn settled case law.
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Kammat posted:Pelosi giving a statement now, with one bit along the lines of "Better vote Dem in November so we can fix this" She campaigned for an anti-choice democrat less than three months ago who ended up winning. She refuses to use pro-choice as a litmus test. Voting for more Dems is useless if they’re just like Cuellar
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Jun 24, 2022 16:04
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Have Some Flowers! posted:Probably sooner than we think. Here's the green light to reactionary activists to bring the cases forward: This would include Loving v Virginia as well, would it not?
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Jun 24, 2022 16:05
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1540348734533296128 A few blue states have already passed laws declaring they will not cooperate with out-of-state requests in these areas. Should be some fun court (and non-court) battles in the future
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Jun 24, 2022 16:06
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Have Some Flowers! posted:Probably sooner than we think. Here's the green light to reactionary activists to bring the cases forward: gently caress the supreme court. gently caress the entire government of this hellscape country.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:07
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haveblue posted:A few blue states have already passed laws declaring they will not cooperate with out-of-state requests in these areas. Should be some fun court (and non-court) battles in the future just wait until they make a federal ban, then the feds will just ignore state law! My bet is that red-state cops will have no qualms about crossing into blue states to rough some abortionists up. It's probably a matter of time until we have actual militias from red states going into blue states to citizens arrest providers.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:08
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I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing?
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Jun 24, 2022 16:09
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? Nah they’ll just put that energy into stopping gay marriage now. Or something else.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:10
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? Why would anyone leave the coalition of people bound together by a belief in successfully using power?
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? As soon as it leaked, McConnell started musing about what they’d go after next. They’re already moving on trans rights. Gay marriage is there too.
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? No, because now they can go after a federal ban, same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, hell they would probably try to take away women's suffrage at this point.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:11
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? No because they've gotten what they want *and* with promises of more of what they want on the horizon. If anything that's gonna make conservative voters more enthusiastic.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:11
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? Nah they’re frothingat the mouth to go after LGBTQ+ rights next
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Jun 24, 2022 16:11
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1540348734533296128 Will the first rich arsehole paying for his mistresses abortion set a precedent to get that overruled?
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? Antivax fervor has been channeled into anti-gay and BLM momentum, this energy isn't going away.
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? No, it wasn’t. Abortion was just the designated method. What they’re held together by is contempt and a drive to wield power and enforce their own dominionist policies. It’s not the Anti-Abortion Party, it’s the Terrible Assholes Party.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:12
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? Hell no they've got plenty of others to hate on beside just women.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:13
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? If anything, this will galvanize them. Remember that after this decision leaked, there were a few protests that the DEMOCRATS quashed. They have carte blanche from both parties to strip away as many rights as they can.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:13
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Madkal posted:Will the first rich arsehole paying for his mistresses abortion set a precedent to get that overruled? Pfft. No. Laws don't apply to rich people. They'll be able to get their abortion, even in a state the explicitly bans it.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:13
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Srice posted:No because they've gotten what they want *and* with promises of more of what they want on the horizon. If anything that's gonna make conservative voters more enthusiastic. Randalor posted:If anything, this will galvanize them. Remember that after this decision leaked, there were a few protests that the DEMOCRATS quashed. They have carte blanche from both parties to strip away as many rights as they can. It is not really possible for conservative voters to get more enthusiastic. They have been by far the most reliable voters for a very long time. When Democrats vote, conservatives lose. Almost all of the slack in the electorate is on the left.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:14
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Axetrain posted:Hell no they've got plenty of others to hate on beside just women. Have Some Flowers! fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Jun 24, 2022 16:15
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Rigel posted:It is not really possible for conservative voters to get more enthusiastic. They have been by far the most reliable voters for a very long time. When Democrats vote, conservatives lose. Almost all of the slack in the electorate is on the left. and when democrats vote, Republicans cry 'fraud' and do whatever they can to put roadblocks up to prevent democrat voting.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:17
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Things are going to get so bad so quickly.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:17
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Axetrain posted:Hell no they've got plenty of others to hate on beside just women. They're not even done with women. This ruling says abortion isn't a right, but their endgame all along has been banning abortion nationwide. Fetal personhood is the next step, not sitting smugly on their porches saying job well done.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:18
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Have Some Flowers! posted:Probably sooner than we think. Here's the green light to reactionary activists to bring the cases forward: Galaxy brain thinking here. Let's make it so that women can't get abortions, and then overturn a ruling so that states can ban contraception as well. Congratulations republicans, you're creating state laws where you live so that no woman wants to have sex with you.
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Astro7x posted:Galaxy brain thinking here. Let's make it so that women can't get abortions, and then overturn a ruling so that states can ban contraception as well. Congratulations republicans, you're creating state laws where you live so that no woman wants to have sex with you. Republicans don’t care if they want to or not.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:19
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Astro7x posted:Galaxy brain thinking here. Let's make it so that women can't get abortions, and then overturn a ruling so that states can ban contraception as well. Congratulations republicans, you're creating state laws where you live so that no woman wants to have sex with you. Yeah they don’t care about that, want is not part of the equation for these sickos
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Jun 24, 2022 16:20
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Oh man gonna get so god drat many fund raising texts out of this. Actual legislation? Nah go gently caress yourself you peons.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:21
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What can people do in states which have/will have these kinds of draconian, undemocratic laws shoved down their throat? How about a general strike? At least, if you live or work in one of these places:
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honestly the best thing you can do for yourself if you live in a red state is loving leave.
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? No. Fascists aren't happy until people are being put in ovens. If anything this will embolden them because they are the only political group (besides capital) being catered to in American politics. The system works for them, and only them. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:honestly the best thing you can do for yourself if you live in a red state is loving leave. My wife and I made a pact a few years ago that if/when Roe gets overturned, we'd leave the US. We'll be in the Netherlands by the end of the year. I know it's a huge exercise in privilege, but gently caress living in a country where dropping my kids off at kindergarten may be a death sentence, or if my daughter ever gets pregnant she'll be forced by the government to carry the pregnancy to term (even if it's life threatening). Today was the line for us. We're out. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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I AM GRANDO posted:This would include Loving v Virginia as well, would it not? Loving has two prongs: (1) Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment and (2) Substantive Due Process. Arguably, Loving would still stand on just the Equal Protection argument even if the court repudiated its Substantive Due Process case law.
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Jun 24, 2022 16:27
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:honestly the best thing you can do for yourself if you live in a red state is loving leave. Like all events that create lots of refugees it will be primarily the rich and middle class who get out. If you can do it you should but once we're at the point people are fleeing we're past it getting better.
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? No, because I believe that all that can be done is to codify the right to an abortion through law (right?). So the fight will change to "If they democrats win, they are going to make it a law that everyone can abort a baby at 39 weeks!!!" They still need to protect it.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:honestly the best thing you can do for yourself if you live in a red state is loving leave. For now. What happens when Florida passes a law saying their bounty hunters can go after abortions in other states? How do you think that SCOTUS ruling will go? Buckle the gently caress up, poo poo is going to get bad.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:honestly the best thing you can do for yourself if you live in a red state is loving leave. Thats severely ableist. Very few people can afford to do that.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Things are going to get so bad so quickly. Yep, and Thomas' poo poo in that concurrence is pointing exactly where they want to go with it. 'Happy Pride, we're coming for your civil rights you godless fucks'
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CommieGIR posted:Thats severely ableist. Very few people can afford to do that. "if you can" is obviously implied. It is still true.
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Aegis posted:Loving has two prongs: (1) Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment and (2) Substantive Due Process. Arguably, Loving would still stand on just the Equal Protection argument even if the court repudiated its Substantive Due Process case law. The Supreme Court had no power to gut the VRA the way they did but they did it anyways. Laws are not magic binding geases, they're just some loving words that they pretty clearly do not give a poo poo about.
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CommieGIR posted:Thats severely ableist. Very few people can afford to do that. That doesn't mean it's not the best move if you can do it.
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