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MadJackal posted:https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1540404247103037440?s=20&t=yXLVmHE_PFw1f_nwdf_Nkw It really doesn’t. I don’t know what will, now. Conflict seems inevitable. This is going to suck.
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MadJackal posted:https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1540404247103037440?s=20&t=yXLVmHE_PFw1f_nwdf_Nkw Ok, but it was not Great Men that saved the country, both of those men had movements behind them decades in the making.
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America Inc. posted:Ok, but it was not Great Men that saved the country, both of those men had movements behind them. And movements that threatened them and the political system as a whole from the left if they failed to at least eke out an acceptable compromise, as well!
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Jun 24, 2022 19:56
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America Inc. posted:Ok, but it was not Great Men that saved the country, both of those men had movements behind them. They were also explicitly taking less radical actions that ended up causing problems in the future. It's a very simple reading of history but they pay Chris the big bucks to be simple.
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All I’m saying is that if I ever meet a Republican I am kicking them in the balls and if I ever meet a Democrat I am shoving their face in a pie. gently caress these guys. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I'm so tired of feeling like there's a war on in this country but the side I'm supposed to be fighting for just refuses to admit it. They downplayed the possibility of a Roe overturn and now they'll fundraise off of it. They'll downplay the overturn of LGBTQ+ rights, too, until they're gone. They'll keep negotiating with Republicans, they'll keep worrying about optics and election cycles until the Democrats are legislated out of existence. This should be a red line in the sand. This should be a call to war. Instead it'll be a chance to raise those funds. It's absurd. Something should burn for a decision like this and I don't care how dangerous it is for our precious system to galvanize.
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Jun 24, 2022 20:01
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Is there anything about Roe in the "Spicy Lingerie Warehouse" newsletter? the spicy lingerie industry would have a lot of interest in abortion rights, I would think
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Pollyanna posted:It really doesn’t. I don’t know what will, now. Conflict seems inevitable. This is going to suck. what conflict? people will keep voting in dems, republicans will keep gaining ground in spite of this, and that's that. the battle is over! what is there left to fight for?
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Jun 24, 2022 20:06
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Zero_Grade posted:In other unsurprising news, Log Cabin Republicans continue to be the densest motherfuckers on the planet: "Dense" is charitable, I think. They spent yesterday spewing transphobia and screaming about the left's "woke gender ideology". https://twitter.com/LogCabinGOP/status/1540029529678151680 https://twitter.com/LogCabinGOP/status/1540074333682339840 https://twitter.com/LogCabinGOP/status/1539297550892531713 That's not even getting into the articles on their website. I can't tear my eyes away from the one that talks about how gay pride is a "blind, meritless pride" that represents the "hubris, vanity, and arrogance of the LGBT community" in its demands to be treated as "a superior class, [who] feel they should be catered to and afforded special rights and privileges". I'm not really feeling honest defense of LGBT rights from them, if you ask me! I don't know if they used to be better or not, but it seems like they've gone full escalator these days.
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Jun 24, 2022 20:08
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I saw this in my feed. Would this be an actual helpful thing biden could do or is it just someone being pithy on twitter? https://twitter.com/kurtbardella/status/1540376534065758212?s=21&t=EyX6OXD51-g62ipLEiWblA
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Main Paineframe posted:"Dense" is charitable, I think. They spent yesterday spewing transphobia and screaming about the left's "woke gender ideology". They're literally just another one of the friendly faces at the front of a liberal to fascist pipeline. Vote Democrat but suddenly getting worried that they're going too far with trans rights? Here are the log cabin Republicans here to give you a hug, tell you it's all right, and then introduce you to some fascists
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Jun 24, 2022 20:10
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syntaxrigger posted:I saw this in my feed. Would this be an actual helpful thing biden could do or is it just someone being pithy on twitter? bargaining stage of grief.
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syntaxrigger posted:I saw this in my feed. Would this be an actual helpful thing biden could do or is it just someone being pithy on twitter? Afiak, you can only issue pardons for things that have already happened. You can't issue a pre-emptive pardon to protect someone from doing something in the future. E: \/\/ That too.
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Jun 24, 2022 20:11
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syntaxrigger posted:I saw this in my feed. Would this be an actual helpful thing biden could do or is it just someone being pithy on twitter? The laws would be state laws so no.
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The president also can't pardon state offenses, which all of these hypothetical laws will be Efb
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syntaxrigger posted:I saw this in my feed. Would this be an actual helpful thing biden could do or is it just someone being pithy on twitter? No, this is stupid. The crimes involved would all be state crimes, there is no federal crime against abortion that I am aware of. edit: How is this guy a political advisor when he doesn't know extremely basic poo poo like this? Rigel fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Jun 24, 2022 20:15
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If a federal abortion ban were enacted, a president could instruct the DOJ not to enforce it or pardon anyone already prosecuted under it. State laws would still be out of reach
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Jun 24, 2022 20:15
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Josef bugman posted:Thanks. I do not wish to be a doom merchant. Merely to try and help by saying things that help as best I can. There is no peacefully dividing up the US, legally or otherwise, even if there was massive popular support for it or a constitutional convention for a variety of reasons. Also the liberal order (I am not referring to american political definitions but the institutions of the US government amd international organizations that the US is part of/ostensibly leads) would never allow it to happen. Similarly, there will be no change to socialism or reorganization toward a more democratic system where majority rules.
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Jun 24, 2022 20:16
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Push El Burrito posted:The laws would be state laws so no. Interesting. I thought a presidential pardon could do it all. Learned something new. Thanks
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That is fair. But I think it may very well still occur, regardless not only because I think that the things outlined intbhe second paragraph may end up ever more decayed or hollowed out.
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Shot: https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1540371000726020098 Chaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiDZejZFjg (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 24, 2022 20:30
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Liz Cheney continues to be a Cheney: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1540387790839549956 The fact that anyone is shocked by this (and some folks are, judging by the replies) just because she broke with the party on Jan 6 would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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Majorian posted:Liz Cheney continues to be a Cheney:
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JazzFlight posted:Lol that some of the "slay qween" crowd were even posting some deranged takes like "Liz for president????" just a couple weeks ago. If she had kept her mouth shut, this gambit probably would have worked on at least some WY Dems: https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1540118586513145857 (it still might)
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Pollyanna posted:It really doesn’t. I don’t know what will, now. Conflict seems inevitable. This is going to suck. First off, obviously the conflict is already here. We have politically motivated mass shootings every week. But to actually respond to your point, I disagree. I can easily imagine a situation where power is devolved to the states in a lazy, haphazard way over many years. The differences between blue and red states become more stark as they have different social laws and welfare systems. We could go for a long time in an America where one state has Netflix and legal weed, and the state next door has a different Netflix and child executions.
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Are replies on Twitter personalized or different if you aren't logged in? I don't see any replies expressing shock about it. The first 5 replies are about "Supreme Court Women's fashion" with a bunch nuns, niquabs, and handmaid's tale things, another one about women's fashion with a bunch of 1950's clothes, people linking her old statements saying they aren't surprised, and someone telling her she's lying.
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Majorian posted:(it still might) If for some reason I was under an ancient voodoo curse permanently trapping me within the state of Wyoming, then I probably would switch parties for that primary to vote for the anti-insurrectionist.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Are replies on Twitter personalized or different if you aren't logged in? Twitter feeds are absolutely personalized. They are starkly different for people with different interests and political views. edit: missed the "if you aren't logged in" part. I don't know if that gives you a "neutral" feed or not.
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Historically they still have shadow profiles on you even if you don't have an account
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You can bet they're gonna try felony disenfranchisement shenanigans with miscarriages.
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syntaxrigger posted:I saw this in my feed. Would this be an actual helpful thing biden could do or is it just someone being pithy on twitter? One weird trick conservatives HATE!
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StratGoatCom posted:You can bet they're gonna try felony disenfranchisement shenanigans with miscarriages. If you can do that you may as well just jail them for murder
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Rigel posted:If for some reason I was under an ancient voodoo curse permanently trapping me within the state of Wyoming, then I probably would switch parties for that primary to vote for the anti-insurrectionist. I think I'd rather vote for Richard Brubaker (Libertarian) in a general election than change parties for the primary just to vote for Liz Cheney.
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syntaxrigger posted:I saw this in my feed. Would this be an actual helpful thing biden could do or is it just someone being pithy on twitter? would protect them from federal charges but not state charges so no, not really maybe if you're worried about the gop managing a federal ban Also, if I recall correctly, the president can't issue class based pardons. He'd need to sit down and hammer out all 200 million or so a la McAuliffe.
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Rigel posted:If for some reason I was under an ancient voodoo curse permanently trapping me within the state of Wyoming, then I probably would switch parties for that primary to vote for the anti-insurrectionist. Yeah that's one of the big tricks with the liberal to fash pipeline Liz is a part of. You keep compromising until you're voting for the polite fascist who wants to outlaw abortion and gay marriage and start killing people but at least they only want to do it through neglect and not active pogroms so it's still "better". You get to say you're not voting for the insurrectionist and you have fascist like Liz telling you that it's good and you're good for doing it but you've also still voted for a fascist. Once someone is at the point where they're denying human rights they're not a lesser evil, they're just evil along with everyone who agrees with them even if their disagreement is about how wild they should be while denying rights. Also through Liz the party gets your info too and can keep bombarding you with fascist messaging the same way Democrats are better at getting their messaging to you when you are a party member and vote for them. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Also, if I recall correctly, the president can't issue class based pardons. Didn't Carter pardon the class of Vietnam draft dodgers? The McCauliffe thing was specific to Virginia law IIRC
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pardoning specifically some abortion doctors near or in red states would be a relatively low wasted time DO SOMETHING option though, so i guess I'm for
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haveblue posted:Didn't Carter pardon the class of Vietnam draft dodgers? Uh, hm. You're right, my recollection was flat wrong. Okay nm, guess he should do it.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Also, if I recall correctly, the president can't issue class based pardons. He'd need to sit down and hammer out all 200 million or so a la McAuliffe. Presidents can issue blanket pardons for offenses. There is no requirement that it be personal or specific.
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haveblue posted:If you can do that you may as well just jail them for murder They already do in some cases.
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