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Dunno where the idea that the US have lots of shadow facilities for producing every military thing including russian style 152mm ammunition like it's WW2 comes from. The US gets most, if not all, large projectile parts from Scranton Army Ammunition Plant, operated by General Dynamics https://www.gd-ots.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Scranton-Brochure-2021-04.pdf "The facility’s multiple long stroke, 400 to 2,500 ton presses and 155mm production processes are unique to ammunition manufacturing" 2005 Base Realignment and Closure Commission said this about the plant "Specially manufactured long-stroke and nosing forge presses make SCAAP the only active manufacturing facility capable of producing certain ammunition parts. Manufacturing expertise made SCAAP the only producer of the SADARM (Search And Destroy ARMament) shell body, a high tech munitions that deploys two laser-guided sub munitions. SCAAP production capacity is approximately ten times that of any commercial facility, and is approximately 80% of the total existing North American capacity." https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc21729/m2/1/high_res_d/BRAC-2005_09490.pdf Note that in 2005 it had 366 employees today it has 265. In the 20220331 TAL Hearing: "Updates on Modernization of Conventional Ammunition Production” General Dynamics talks about SCAAP and the need for modernization starting at 1h 16 mins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j91iw2K0nFM The production of explosives: According to the 20220331 TAL Hearing: "Updates on Modernization of Conventional Ammunition Production” it will take the US 8 years to double the production of RDX and IMX explosives. (from identified need 2016/17 to fully operational 2025) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j91iw2K0nFM at 50 mins in. BAE on that 1h 20 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j91iw2K0nFM The Subcommittee on Tactical Air and Land Forces hearing is interesting, especially the talk with the government-owned, contractor-operated operators about the need of a skilled and experienced workforce and the time it would take training new hires to up production, at least a year mentioned. Full TAL Hearing: Contractor pat starts at 1h 11min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j91iw2K0nFM
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shame on an IGA posted:ok wow yeah one of the yugoslavian casing factories gave a tour and it's primitive as gently caress Dumb artillery shells haven't changed much since WWI. (oops added an extra I) Bullets in general haven't. Granted, you can spend hundreds of thousands on GPS, guided, semi-guided, racing stripe, and Congressional district pork, but the basic artillery shell is a very simple beast. Kallikaa posted:Dunno where the idea that the US have lots of shadow facilities for producing every military thing including russian style 152mm ammunition like it's WW2 comes from. wait, people think i was talking about 152mm? No, I was talking about spinning up more 155mm production. They need more of our poo poo, not more of Russia's poo poo. This is not going to be a short conflict, so there's no point in saddling them with sub standard 40+ year old gear that is only going to rise in cost as it becomes more scarce. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkra...utm_name=iossmf Sorry for using Reddit I just can’t find a way to embed the video. It’s the first footage of an M142 in use
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkra...utm_name=iossmf View in reddit app to continue. No thanks. It'll turn up off reddit in quick order, though.
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https://v.redd.it/lzd7mwea1j791 Wow they make it difficult intentionally to find just the video source, just another reason to hate reddit. Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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I swear I saw that video on OSINT twitter last night. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1540400176040402947 Yup there it is.
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A.o.D. posted:wait, people think i was talking about 152mm? No, I was talking about spinning up more 155mm production. They need more of our poo poo, not more of Russia's poo poo. This is not going to be a short conflict, so there's no point in saddling them with sub standard 40+ year old gear that is only going to rise in cost as it becomes more scarce. Well there's only one plant with 265 employees that make the projectile bodies so spinning up won't go quickly without funding as if the nation is back at the height of the cold war and it'll still take years.
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Kallikaa posted:Well there's only one plant with 265 employees that make the projectile bodies so spinning up won't go quickly without funding as if the nation is back at the height of the cold war and it'll still take years. It won't take years. I guarantee you there's plenty of idle time on the existing machines. They're probably not working 3 shifts, either. There's production slack to be picked up without installing more machine tools. Again, I'm talking about the dumb shells. The smart munitions have the problem of dealing with the chip shortage for their supply chain, and you may be right that spinning up full time production of those may have a very long lead time.
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A.o.D. posted:It won't take years. I guarantee you there's plenty of idle time on the existing machines. They're probably not working 3 shifts, either. There's production slack to be picked up without installing more machine tools. Been trying to find some figures about ammo production looking at the yearly Justification Book Procurement of Ammunition, Army budget submissions. The highest planned production of M795 HE Load Assembly Pack was 37 489 monthly in June 2015 (in the FY 2014 book, mainly due to a large Marine Corps request it seems). The FY 2023 one has planned production of 24 000 monthly in 2025. All load assembly pack done by AMERICAN ORDNANCE LLC (IAAP) - MIDDLETOWN, IA. The FY 23 book also states that prior deliveries of M795 HE was 637 165 before FY2021 if I read it correctly. Perhaps they can triple the most they ever done to 120 000 rounds a month but there's also the need to fill them with stuff that goes boom, currently IMX-101. As the Subcommittee on Tactical Air and Land Forces Hearing said the IMX production increase won't be ready until 2025, from 3 000 000 pounds to 8 000 000 pounds. Maybe there's spare capacity of TNT. I hope you are right though. Justification Book of Procurement of Ammunition, Army, found under Base Budget then Procurement of Ammunition Army https://www.asafm.army.mil/Budget-Materials/FY-2021/#fy-2023
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A.o.D. posted:sub standard 40+ year old gear that is only going to rise in cost as it becomes more scarce. But it's all Canada's got!! 
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Honestly I’m just shocked that there’s anything of value produced in Scranton.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Honestly I’m just shocked that there’s anything of value produced in Scranton. You are forgetting our valuable paper industry
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I get this feeling that now that the Russians have committed to super boring creeping bombardments, the invasion will fall completely out of the news cycle.
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Madurai posted:I get this feeling that now that the Russians have committed to super boring creeping bombardments, the invasion will fall completely out of the news cycle. Hurricane season is starting early, fire season is coming, derecho-strength storms are becoming way more common, food shortages that can't be easily explained away as "temporary supply chain issues" are imminent, crop failures are already happening, everything is getting more expensive and unaffordable during the biggest period of wealth inequality since probably the Roman Empire, and the Republicans have shown their hand that the "Great Othering" is coming. Yeah, I've a feeling things are about to get spicy. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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Armacham posted:You are forgetting our valuable paper industry Y'all got beets though right?
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Kallikaa posted:Been trying to find some figures about ammo production looking at the yearly Justification Book Procurement of Ammunition, Army budget submissions. The highest planned production of M795 HE Load Assembly Pack was 37 489 monthly in June 2015 (in the FY 2014 book, mainly due to a large Marine Corps request it seems). The FY 2023 one has planned production of 24 000 monthly in 2025. All load assembly pack done by AMERICAN ORDNANCE LLC (IAAP) - MIDDLETOWN, IA. Those numbers are based off of expected procurement numbers pre-invasion, i.e. "it'll take us this long if you only give us this much money". Until very, VERY recently, new shell production hasn't been a priority for anyone. It's not a big ticket item so it doesn't bring home the pork to the constituents, or put fat bonuses in executive pockets, or make shareholders take notice. The Army isn't only using enough for training, so they weren't feeling the pinch and screaming for more. If production gets reprioritized and funded, those numbers will change. It's potentially a big if, but we'll see. Anyhow, my larger point is that of all the things that you might want to increase the production of, dumb artillery shells are some of the very easiest to increase. The guns that shoot them? Not so much.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:View in reddit app to continue. For future reference the app filter can usually be bypassed by switching from www.reddit.com to old.reddit.com
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Soylent Pudding posted:For future reference the app filter can usually be bypassed by switching from https://www.reddit.com to old.reddit.com Thank you. I've never been much a fan of reddit so I'm not aware of the usual tricks.
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You can also get something like Old Reddit Redirect to have it always load the old version.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Thank you. I've never been much a fan of reddit so I'm not aware of the usual tricks. if it's phone you can always say no
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Alan Smithee posted:if it's phone you can always say no Browser (duckduckgo) doesn't let me past the popup, hitting back takes me to a blank page. Not a big deal though.
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Alan Smithee posted:if it's phone you can always say no No, they force you to use the app for certain subs.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkra...utm_name=iossmf Someone or lots of someones just had a realllll bad day
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I guess the US is giving out HIMARS and the UK is shipping a bunch of M270s?
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Tiny Timbs posted:No, they force you to use the app for certain subs. ah right, the NSFW stuff
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What a goddamn pointless war. Kinda reminds me of Iraq, but without the dictator.
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Alan Smithee posted:ah right, the NSFW stuff Anything they mark as “unverified” or “content warning” which includes a lot more than just the NSFW subs. It’s insanely annoying to navigate to a Reddit link in the browser these days and that’s by design.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:What a goddamn pointless war. Kinda reminds me of Iraq, but without the dictator. Its inverse Iraq, because Putin is the dictator.
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Soylent Pudding posted:For future reference the app filter can usually be bypassed by switching from https://www.reddit.com to old.reddit.com Thank you so much! Reddit can be such a pain in the rear end to try and share stuff. I wish there was a way to ensure a Twitter link copy’s would not generate those referral codes that make previews impossible.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:What a goddamn pointless war. Kinda reminds me of Iraq, but without the dictator. Hey, it's got several points. Ukraine is trying to war of attrition the Russians into  and  , and by giving them tons of weapons, we've created a reason to buy those weapons again! JERBS!  For Putin, he's just murdering people because he wants to try going Full Stalin before he dies.
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https://twitter.com/lucasfoxnews/status/1540721588676337666?s=21&t=zjwSW4SFo2pwQTJu0QrX2w It seems like a tough sell to convince India to do otherwise. This is part of what independence/non-alignment looks like.
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mlmp08 posted:https://twitter.com/lucasfoxnews/status/1540721588676337666?s=21&t=zjwSW4SFo2pwQTJu0QrX2w For India, there's very few downsides of buying Russian oil. Russia, dealing with sanctions, is willing to sell their oil at below market rate. What is the rest of the world going to do? India is a big enough economy and committing a "minor enough" sanctions violation that they won't eat sanctions themselves. Also, India is seen as a toss up in a China/US slugfest. Don't want to upset the guy who will potentially fight for or against you.
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BaconAndBullets posted:For India, there's very few downsides of buying Russian oil. Russia, dealing with sanctions, is willing to sell their oil at below market rate. What is the rest of the world going to do? India is a big enough economy and committing a "minor enough" sanctions violation that they won't eat sanctions themselves. Lol China is enemy number one with India due to water and water alone. Buying fuel from Russia seems shortsighted because who you gonna buy your weapons from?
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Crab Dad posted:Lol China is enemy number one with India due to water and water alone. They can buy their weapons from Russia too, they might even get into yet another boon-doggle like the last 5 joint weapons programs that India has done with Russia.
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Crab Dad posted:Lol China is enemy number one with India due to water and water alone. They’ll buy from France after French defense companies bribe more Indian officials. Just business as usual. China’s military modernization (and industrialization) appears to be going a ton better than India’s. Money is on China if there’s a war, but China can’t do multiple fronts (Taiwan, internal suppression, and India)
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:They can buy their weapons from Russia too, they might even get into yet another boon-doggle like the last 5 joint weapons programs that India has done with Russia. If anyone is that dumb to do that again after the last 30+ years of work together then they deserve everything coming their way.
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This hit my TL this AM. https://twitter.com/pdocumentarians/status/1540730741335531522?s=21&t=cZsJQ7FWonv30Qwsxc0YUA
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highme posted:This hit my TL this AM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=689UG16Al1U
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Crab Dad posted:If anyone is that dumb to do that again after the last 30+ years of work together then they deserve everything coming their way. They won't have to, the US has the memory of a goldfish.
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highme posted:This hit my TL this AM. Would love to know what tune/dj outfit that is. e;  https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1540811205316644867 Nuclear Tourist fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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