[Biosphere Collapse] 420 days of blazin' it

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BrotherJayne: Nov 28, 2019

Hubbert posted:

It is entirely possible that humanity makes it through ecological overshoot.

Industrial civilization (as we know it) will not.

They'll have a jump start on development of the petrochemical death engine tho, thereby reaching then falling from industry much faster than we did

E: sniiiipe

# ? Jun 26, 2022 06:41

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# ? May 26, 2024 05:17

Notorious R.I.M.: Jan 27, 2004; up to my ass in alligators

endlessmonotony posted:

Either you deal with accepting you have no idea what's going to happen and how much impact your actions have, or you end up being that useless piece of poo poo who's too demoralized to do anything but then explains to everyone else it's because they're smarter and better and everyone else is wasting their time.

yeah totally unknowable and knowable with absolute certainty are definitely the only possible positions to have toward outcomes in the the future.

when you see one of those hurricane graphs with a cone of uncertainty does your brain start to make a high pitched whine or something?

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:16

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

yeah totally unknowable and knowable with absolute certainty are definitely the only possible positions to have toward outcomes in the the future.

when you see one of those hurricane graphs with a cone of uncertainty does your brain start to make a high pitched whine or something?

there actually were big brain posters like Hubbard and Morbus arguing that the uncertainty justified their absolute certainty in extinction though lol

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:33

platzapS: Aug 4, 2007

Pryor on Fire posted:

Unless the Chinese plan to kill every billionaire like next week then it does not matter at all how they react, they are stuck on this planet too. You can't wall off your atmosphere.

There is no special place that will be unscathed.

the idea is that it's a competent, powerful state with an interest in defending most of its people. "oh no the sea level is rising" lol yeah china knows how to build a wall

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:35

platzapS: Aug 4, 2007

China's Domes Stay Under 1000 PPM...But at What Cost?

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:37

lobotomy molo: May 7, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

platzapS posted:

China's Domes Stay Under 1000 PPM...But at What Cost?

listen, famine zero just isn�t realistic. it�s endemic! yes china does it, but look at the damage it�s doing to their economy it�s just not sustainable

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:40

Notorious R.I.M.: Jan 27, 2004; up to my ass in alligators

platzapS posted:

the idea is that it's a competent, powerful state with an interest in defending most of its people. "oh no the sea level is rising" lol yeah china knows how to build a wall

lol sea walls. hey wait what's that at my feet? oh it's the rising water table.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:44

platzapS: Aug 4, 2007

Trabisnikof posted:

The idea that �capitalism survives climate change through dehumanization� as a worse case scenario does terrify me a bit.

viruscomix

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:56

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

The Voice of Labor posted:

I'm not gonna bother looking up the latin, but cultivating biospheres either requires importing nutrients or accelerating the rate of consumption of local nutrients. all you have is the material world and you can't produce anything out of it, all you can do is exchange one thing for another

if you dont wanna latin up, then dont cum up ta me malaka. secondly, biology does do exactly that, creation out of inanimate materiality. and we can master it, if only we had the people to wield it, we could recreate the world.

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

Lol, 5 pages of "it's not that bad" all because some posters got upset at the suggestion that the glorious PRC isn't immune to climate change. They do have hella experience with apocalpytic famine events already, I'll give them that.

recall then that i didn't say there were immune, just that they could survive the churn, so to speak. not that they necessary will, depending on the ideological decisions they make in the coming decades, but unlike demon cracker societies, they've got a chance.

emTme3 posted:

China fo sho has the technological and ideological infrastructure to switch to some form of direct allocation, but it'll be a helluva task. Autarky/central planning is deffo the way of the future. I've said it before and I'll stick to it - DPRK is the safest place to be in the entire world right now.

The West is just turbofucked. Liberalism is a civilizational brain tumour. We'll probably see a lot of fashy corporate monopoly towns in lieu of any kind of public socialism, but even then the existing infrastructural base is a train wreck.

50/50 odds on Amerika disintegrating b4 the otherwise inevitable annexation of Kanada. I do hope I get to live to see that loving 🍁 wiped off the map.

tihs

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:31

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

platzapS posted:

viruscomix

lol

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:34

Notorious R.I.M.: Jan 27, 2004; up to my ass in alligators

Always remember that sea walls are utterly useless.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/13/1041309/climate-change-rising-groundwater-flooding/

quote:

Unlike rising seas, where the dangers are obvious, groundwater rise has remained under the radar. Hydrologists are aware of the problem and it�s all over the scholarly research, but it has yet to surface in a significant way outside of those bubbles. Groundwater rise is only briefly mentioned in the most recent edition of the National Climate Assessment, released in 2018; it�s absent from many state and regional climate adaptation plans, and even from flood maps.

A 2021 study in the journal Cities found that when coastal cities conduct a climate vulnerability assessment, they rarely factor in groundwater rise. �They talk mostly about sea-level rise, storm surges,� says Daniel Rozell, an engineer and scientist affiliated with Stony Brook University, who wrote the 2021 paper. �But there haven�t been a lot of questions about what�s going to happen to the groundwater.�

Impacts on existing infrastructure and planned climate adaptations could be catastrophic. Remediation efforts that haven�t planned for groundwater rise will be rendered useless. Billions of dollars in infrastructure will need to be upgraded. And it will likely affect an area much larger than what�s captured on most flood maps. A 2012 study by researchers at the University of Hawaii that factored groundwater into flood risks found that nationwide, the area threatened was more than twice the area at risk from sea-level rise alone.

Any coastal area where �the land is really flat, and the geology is [the kind of] loose material that water moves through really easily,� says Hill, is �where this is really going to be a problem.� This includes places like Miami, but also Oakland, California, and Brooklyn, New York. Silicon Valley communities like Mountain View are susceptible to groundwater rise, as is Washington, DC. Worldwide, the area at risk includes portions of northwestern Europe and coastal areas of the United Kingdom, Africa, South America, and Southeast Asia.

�The problem is huge,� says Hill. �We�ve way underestimated the flooding problem.�

And because of how groundwater moves, people who are at risk may not know it until it�s too late. �One of the most important things about the groundwater is that the rising groundwater level precedes any inundation of the surface,� says Rozell. Put another way, we will experience groundwater flooding long before the ocean comes lapping at our front door.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:35

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

dubai will look beautiful in about 10 years. i wonder if we will be able to set up a pirate base in those rusting towers leaning against each other

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:39

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

Always remember that sea walls are utterly useless.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/13/1041309/climate-change-rising-groundwater-flooding/

for the ocean to swallow my country.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:47

DesertIslandHermit: Oct 7, 2019; It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

Congrats to Aquaman for all those new houses for him and his fishy friends.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:50

platzapS: Aug 4, 2007

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

Always remember that sea walls are utterly useless.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/13/1041309/climate-change-rising-groundwater-flooding/

I was beaten bloody by the climate change thread. But I never hated them. I said "thank you for your data."

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:52

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

platzapS posted:

I was beaten bloody by the climate change thread. But I never hated them. I said "thank you for your data."

lol

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:55

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

platzapS posted:

I was beaten bloody by the climate change thread. But I never hated them. I said "thank you for your data."

lmao

# ? Jun 26, 2022 08:58

eternalvictory: Jul 13, 2020; "I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs."

Um, wtf is all this dumb poo poo? Why did Rime enter the ring and not use it to show his powers, after his showing was tarnished by some fuckin weirdos.

I swear, the last few pages feel like a glitch, cause I know I�ve read this exact same thing play out in this thread before. Why do you guys even engage? I finally used the ignore feature and can�t believe I waited so long to

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:01

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

endlessmonotony posted:

You can claim the bog for farms, it's been done before. All you need is lollontee and a hoe, the swamp's already there.

im up for some hoeing, some growing,
reindeer lookin hella sexy~

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:02

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

platzapS posted:

I was beaten bloody by the climate change thread. But I never hated them. I said "thank you for your data."

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:08

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

the poor bastard who kept going 'very normal' has somehow got ensorcelled by how are u and got the poo poo trolled out of him lol. it can happen to anyone

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:09

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

eternalvictory posted:

Um, wtf is all this dumb poo poo? Why did Rime enter the ring and not use it to show his powers, after his showing was tarnished by some fuckin weirdos.

I swear, the last few pages feel like a glitch, cause I know I�ve read this exact same thing play out in this thread before. Why do you guys even engage? I finally used the ignore feature and can�t believe I waited so long to

it came to my attention that certain posters were not truly crack-pinged, but merely pretending, while in fact taking a measure of comfort and control in their so-called knowledge. as a faithful agent of the epistemic rider, it cannot be tolerated in this, the most hallowed Death thread. even reason itself must collapse and die.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:18

IAMKOREA: Apr 21, 2007

Homeless Friend posted:

the poor bastard who kept going 'very normal' has somehow got ensorcelled by how are u and got the poo poo trolled out of him lol. it can happen to anyone

Lol where

# ? Jun 26, 2022 10:14

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

gbs abortion thread, i saw it over multiple post and was smdh at engaging with how are u.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 10:50

Cabbages and VHS: Aug 25, 2004; Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

endlessmonotony posted:

Your opinions are just recycled cold war panic about nuclear war.

just because we haven't had a nice nuclear war YET hardly means it's off the table. it may get more likely as climate conditions degrade!!

# ? Jun 26, 2022 12:25

Mola Yam: Jun 18, 2004; Kali Ma Shakti de!

we had a nuclear war in 1945, it was just a bit one-sided

# ? Jun 26, 2022 12:32

T-Paine: Dec 12, 2007; Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

The amount of times we almost obliterated civilization is really distressing when you remember that we only survived because of the courageous actions of someone in the right place at the right time or dumb luck, and how we're only loading the dice to make the next lucky roll less and less likely as time goes on

# ? Jun 26, 2022 12:34

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

WorldsStongestNerd posted:

I'm sure someone else already mentioned this, but thawed out bogs and rocky shield formations aren't farmland. The thawed permafrost is pretty much useless.

russia is the largest producer of fertilizers on earth

# ? Jun 26, 2022 12:34

T-Paine: Dec 12, 2007; Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

lollontee posted:

russia is the largest producer of fertilizers on earth

I believe you're thinking of your own posting. \_

# ? Jun 26, 2022 12:35

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

i am bodhisattva, aware of the poop nature of all life and posting

# ? Jun 26, 2022 12:36

Cabbages and VHS: Aug 25, 2004; Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

lollontee posted:

i am bodhisattva, aware of the poop nature of all life and posting

in lak'ech

# ? Jun 26, 2022 13:18

Mola Yam: Jun 18, 2004; Kali Ma Shakti de!

does the dog have shitpost nature

# ? Jun 26, 2022 14:34

Fried Watermelon: Dec 29, 2008

emTme3 posted:

China fo sho has the technological and ideological infrastructure to switch to some form of direct allocation, but it'll be a helluva task. Autarky/central planning is deffo the way of the future. I've said it before and I'll stick to it - DPRK is the safest place to be in the entire world right now.

The West is just turbofucked. Liberalism is a civilizational brain tumour. We'll probably see a lot of fashy corporate monopoly towns in lieu of any kind of public socialism, but even then the existing infrastructural base is a train wreck.

50/50 odds on Amerika disintegrating b4 the otherwise inevitable annexation of Kanada. I do hope I get to live to see that loving 🍁 wiped off the map.

Our Canadian politicians will probably sell the country to the US saying it's the only way and half the country will be happy about it

# ? Jun 26, 2022 15:24

FUCK COREY PERRY: Apr 19, 2008

Canada ain't getting formally annexed, they'll keep a border up so the rich can flee northwards but the poors get stuck where they are

# ? Jun 26, 2022 15:34

WorldsStongestNerd: Apr 28, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

lollontee posted:

russia is the largest producer of fertilizers on earth

And? Ok let me amend my statement. You can't take the thawed out bog and rocky shield formations, then haul in several billion tons of fertilizer , and call it farmland. The thawed permafrost is useless.

It may be decades before you can drive a tractor on it, nevermind lay down roads and rails to haul in a billion tons of fertilizer.

It took millions of years of natural processes to lay down the super fertile conditions you find in places like the American Midwest, The Mississippi Delta, and the Ukraine/Russian breadbaskets. They idea that those zones will just shift north with rising temps is shockingly ignorant. Just a complete lack of any knowledge of what is involved in farming or what farming even is. What about soil composition? What about rainfall? What about solar intensity and planting seasons?
When, if ever, does the ground dry enough to get a tractor in the field?

Now don't get me wrong. The Russians will farm Siberia because they'll have no choice. It will be hideously expensive and per acre yields will be a fraction of what it is now. While some people will survive the country as its currently organized does not survive a halving or worse of its ability to produce food.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 16:03

goochtit: Nov 2, 2021

Homeless Friend posted:

gbs abortion thread, i saw it over multiple post and was smdh at engaging with how are u.

drat that dude is a pro

# ? Jun 26, 2022 16:05

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

WorldsStongestNerd posted:

And? Ok let me amend my statement. You can't take the thawed out bog and rocky shield formations, then haul in several billion tons of fertilizer , and call it farmland. The thawed permafrost is useless.

It may be decades before you can drive a tractor on it, nevermind lay down roads and rails to haul in a billion tons of fertilizer.

It took millions of years of natural processes to lay down the super fertile conditions you find in places like the American Midwest, The Mississippi Delta, and the Ukraine/Russian breadbaskets. They idea that those zones will just shift north with rising temps is shockingly ignorant. Just a complete lack of any knowledge of what is involved in farming or what farming even is. What about soil composition? What about rainfall? What about solar intensity and planting seasons?
When, if ever, does the ground dry enough to get a tractor in the field?

Now don't get me wrong. The Russians will farm Siberia because they'll have no choice. It will be hideously expensive and per acre yields will be a fraction of what it is now. While some people will survive the country as its currently organized does not survive a halving or worse of its ability to produce food.

A lot of my plants are struggling even now because we planted them too early. It was still cold mid-April which is when typically you'd want to plant them. I'm looking at them right now and getting upset.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 16:14

T-Paine: Dec 12, 2007; Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

https://twitter.com/0ddette/status/1541053187385442305
"Climate change is dramatically increasing the demand for military operations" - https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3064183/dod-preparing-for-climate-change-impacts-official-says/

T-Paine has issued a correction as of 17:07 on Jun 26, 2022

# ? Jun 26, 2022 16:59

emTme3: Nov 7, 2012; by Hand Knit

homo-sapiens has a non-zero chance of continuing on in some way.

homo-economicus/collosus is already functionally extinct.

is how I'm rolling with it at least. the exact timing of the collapse of the world system matters hugely. tomorrow? fantastic for future biosphere outcomes. but if 50 years from now it's still limping along in turbo-fascist mode while we breach +3c then loving lol.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 17:25

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# ? May 26, 2024 05:17

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019; Can't post for 22 hours!

platzapS posted:

I was beaten bloody by the climate change thread. But I never hated them. I said "thank you for your data."

# ? Jun 26, 2022 17:25

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