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Mycroft Holmes: Mar 26, 2010; by Azathoth

idhrendur posted:

The People's Republic of California is already preparing food aid for immediate shipment to Appalachia, but the east-west corridor has long been unreliable at best. We cannot afford food convoys suffering from banditry, therefore PRCal proposes:

The East-West Transportation Act
A land-based transportation corridor between Los Angeles and Atlanta shall be established using a combination of diplomacy, armed convoys, road expansion, and road-building. The exact route shall be determined based on local conditions. Once opened, this corridor will be used to establish a route to Appalachia and other areas of interest.

NewMars posted:

In the interests of ensuring that the ministries don't become completely without oversight and to start moving the comintern towards being something of an actual federal body as opposed to uh.. whatever it is now, I propose:

The Ministerial Integration Act.

This act will allow comintern members greater jurisdiction over ministerial activities through the regional forums. They will be able to create plans for things such as continental infrastructure without having to do it through the people's congress directly as well as guide the creation of regional departments for the ministries taking such structure as is considered to be most applicable to the ground situation by mutual consent. The powers delegated by this act are to be considered as operating as a lower council for the establishment of comintern activities and therefore the people's congress and the acts it dictates are considered to supersede those of the forums in authority.

Seconded

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Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Mister Bates posted:

November 7, 1985
"WE OBSERVE FOURTH PLANET STRUCTURES ZERO/NULL EM RADIATION, ZERO/NULL LIFEFORMS FOR LARGE TIMESPAN. ENQUIRE GOOD OR BAD MOVE TOWARDS?", we asked our friends yesterday. The reply took uncharacteristically long and was uncharacteristically short.
"GOOD."

Well, looks to me like our pals the Minervans gave us the greenlight, the Cydonia Mission is back on the menu, boys!

...should still bring an armed security detail along just in case though.

quote:

November 22, 1985
As part of our efforts to learn more about their relationship with the Roswell aliens, we send them an image of one and send a general inquiry about it. The response comes quickly.
"NOT FROM ('from' having been recently introduced to our shared dictionary) CENTRAL STAR. LOCATED HERE SECOND. YOU FIRST. US THIRD. US HERE BECAUSE THEM. THEM DANGER, BUT ALSO (UNTRANSLATABLE)"
A request to clarify the untranslatable word or sequence.
"MULTIPLE THEM. THEM IS ALSO NOT-THEM. UNKNOWN IF NOT-THEM IS ALSO DANGER."
How do you know this, we attempt to ask.
"PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NOT-HERE, NOT CENTRAL STAR. US NOW HERE BECAUSE THEM. THEM COMMUNICATE (POSSIBLE MISTRANSLATION: GREATER/LARGER?). WE ACKNOWLEDGE AND CONCUR, GOOD. WE DO NOT CONCUR, BAD."

This is especially interesting. They seem to be saying that their homeworld was encountered by the Roswells and subjugated by them, with these poor saps brought to Minerva after they set up the base on Mars for whatever reason. Or a faction of the Roswells at any rate, they seem to imply some other anti-Roswell group among the conquering species, possibly the group that purged the Cydonia base. Whoever THOSE guys are, they're not necessarily the "good guys," the Minervans certainly don't see them as a benevolent ally against a common foe.

Man, maybe Minerva IS a prison or a gulag or some other forced relocation facility. They weren't brought here of their own volition, and I'm not sure if they want to stay there or simply lack the ability to leave. It'll take some time to develop a common vocabulary of the necessary words to know for sure, but we may have a...for lack of a better word, "humanitarian" crisis on our hands.

# ? Jun 25, 2022 23:11

Pacho: Jun 9, 2010

A theory is that the Minervans are saying there was a sort of civil war among the Roswells and that would track with out findings of Roswell on Roswell violence on Mars

# ? Jun 26, 2022 02:05

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.

quote:

Press Release: Democratic People�s Republic of Appalachia

Comrades!

It is in great solidarity that we, the Central Committee of the DPRA accept full membership in the Cominterp. We have completed our Revolution against the bourgeois class, and we have completed our Revolution against their fifth columnist spies. Like you, we have fought the internal elements that they had left behind - like you, we have fought Gladio.

Our experiences have trained us well. For over a decade we have fought the class enemy in the forests and mountains, in the valleys and rivers, in the cities and towns. For over a decade we have fought a crafty and vicious enemy, Every comrade in our society has seen this war - every comrade has fought in it.

It is in great solidarity that we, the Central Committee of the DPRA wish to offer those experiences to you. Our class enemies remain - Gladio remains. Much of North America remains unliberated from the revisionists and wreckers who would do us harm. The Central Committee offers Appalachia as your bulwark, your foundation, and your stronghold against these enemies.

We offer the great campus of Boyle University, fortress against liberalism. We offer land to build Ground Force Training Facilities/. They are well protected. The Revolutionary Atomic Brigade stands strong in the mountains against all enemies, and the Appalachian Liberation Army guards the valleys and riverways.

Furthermore, we offer training and officers from our most decorated and elite comrades. We offer that experience in a place of learning, a Ground Military Academy, where all armies of the proletariat can draw on our training and expertise. It is in great solidarity that we, the Central Committee, hope you accept these gifts.

Submitted by the Appalachian Liberation Army

Proposal 1: Build a Ground Training Facility and a Ground Military Academy in Appalachia.

My line of thinking here is that P109 authorizes the build up of seven divisions, and we�ll need to build more training centers to develop them in any reasonable time.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 03:07

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.

quote:

White Paper I: Central Committee of the DPRA

Comrades, you have seen the price we in Appalachia have paid to enter socialism. Many thousands of our comrades with amputated limbs from mines. Comrades with shakes from chemical exposure. Comrades with neurological deficiencies from being exposed when young or in the womb. Even as we reach for the stars, we are at risk of leaving our weakest behind.

It is for this reason we propose a further amendment to Z-82, the Universal Bill of RIghts. For while that honorable document protects the majority of us, it neglects two groups: the disabled and children. We propose an expansion to the principles of Z-82, focusing on several core areas:

1) Respect for difference and acceptance of persons with disabilities as part of human diversity and humanity
2) Respect for inherent dignity, individual autonomy including the freedom to make one's own choices, and independence of persons
3) Full and effective participation and inclusion in society
4) Equality of opportunity
5) Accessibility

And the following addition for children:

1) A child�s right to life, survival, and development
2) Protection from harmful influence, abuse and exploitation
3) Devotion to the best interest of the children
4) Respect for the evolving capacities of children with disabilities, respect for the right of children with disabilities to preserve their identities, and respect for the views of the child

Furthermore, if an area of the Cominterp is unable to reach these standards, a portion of Socialist Aid will be allocated until those standards have been reached.

Submitted by the United Mine Workers Union

Proposal 2: Expand Z-82 in regards to children and people with disabilities, and provide funding as needed.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 03:08

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.

quote:

White Paper II: Central Committee of the DPRA

Comrades, today we wish to reexamine one of the tenets of our Marxism. As good Comrade Posadas remarked, �Atomic war is inevitable � but it will not impede communism.� He wrote those words more than twenty years ago, and history has proven him right. With the arrival of nuclear war, Communism was able to sweep out the imperialist class and enter into a proletarian state.

To deny the arrival of the atomic age is to deny the material conditions in which we exist. The idea, however noble and goodhearted, of removing nuclear weapons and technology is a naive fancy. The science is known to all of humanity, and the fascist has the desire to use it. In 1945, in 1969, and now, in 1985, nuclear devices were used. They will be used again.

We at the Central Committee understand the fear these devices hold for many of our comrades. We, too, have been targeted by them, and many of the imperialist �Davy Crockett� bombs were used during our Revolution. However, the correct act is not to hide from them! Not to deny their existence with idealistic fancy!

Instead, we must prepare for their use. We must prepare for the next war, where they will be used once again. The imperialist still holds vast territories of the world, and vast numbers of workers are enslaved to their war machine. They will not stop building and using these weapons, and we must understand that.

Submitted by the Revolutionary Atomic Brigade

Proposal 3:
Part 1: Expanding research into missile systems, anti-missile systems and rocket technology.
Part 2: Renewing nuclear weapon research and testing; in space, in atmosphere, underground, and underwater.
Part 3: Making nuclear weapons the primary focus of our land and space forces.
Part 4: Allowing individual states of the COMINTERP to build and stockpile additional weapons, subject to declaration and inspection.
Part 5: Building shelters sufficient to resist future nuclear attacks.

These proposals will override Z-92 and P-123 as needed to enact them.
These proposals override the �no warships� clause of JR-20, but not �no first strike.�

# ? Jun 26, 2022 03:10

idhrendur: Aug 20, 2016

Loel posted:

Proposal 2: Expand Z-82 in regards to children and people with disabilities, and provide funding as needed.

Seconded

# ? Jun 26, 2022 03:23

paragon1: Nov 22, 2010; FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Loel posted:

Proposal 1: Build a Ground Training Facility and a Ground Military Academy in Appalachia.

My line of thinking here is that P109 authorizes the build up of seven divisions, and we�ll need to build more training centers to develop them in any reasonable time.

Seconded

# ? Jun 26, 2022 03:25

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

Loel posted:

Proposal 3:
Part 1: Expanding research into missile systems, anti-missile systems and rocket technology.
Part 2: Renewing nuclear weapon research and testing; in space, in atmosphere, underground, and underwater.
Part 3: Making nuclear weapons the primary focus of our land and space forces.
Part 4: Allowing individual states of the COMINTERP to build and stockpile additional weapons, subject to declaration and inspection.
Part 5: Building shelters sufficient to resist future nuclear attacks.

These proposals will override Z-92 and P-123 as needed to enact them.
These proposals override the �no warships� clause of JR-20, but not �no first strike.�

Seconded

# ? Jun 26, 2022 03:35

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Okay, well since people seem to be putting forth legislation a bit early, I might as well throw my hat in the ring with an opening offering

The DRMN proposes the Luna Integrated Mining, Industry and Transportation, or LIMIT Act, an omnibus bill designed to modernize and industrialize the moon now that we have a surplus population capable of sustaining heavy TNE-based industry.

-An initiative to set up TNE Mines to begin exploitation of Luna's Corbomite deposits. As our recent tests at Ariadne demonstrate, space-based mining is the future, and Luna is a nearby well-supplied test bed for perfecting the technology on a larger scale.

-The installation of Mass Driver systems on Luna. These will use railgun-esque magnetic acceleration to fire packets of refined TNEs, equipped with a small guidance package and wrapped in a thin Duranium shell, where they will be safely captured and decelerated by a corresponding Mass Driver array Earthside. This will allow TNEs from across the Solar System to flow into the industrial facilities of Earth, and if need be can allow Earth to SEND TNEs to outposts that need them for whatever specialized reason, all at truly massive scale. Of course these Mass Drivers are only useful for bulk mineral freight, not passengers of specialized cargo. Hence the third point:

-The Construction of a proper Cargo Shuttle Station at Lunagrad. Over 14 million people have emigrated to Luna, and tons of cargo and essental infrastructure, and all of it has passed through a hastily constructed ad hoc spaceport. As it currently stands, the time it takes to load and unload freight arriving at Lunagrad is an order of magnitude longer than the actual space voyage. This is monstrously inefficient for the amount of traffic the place recieves. We propose the construction of a modern dedicated facility dedicated to expediting and streaming the loading and unloading of passengers and cargo, all with a dedicated link to Luna's nascent rail network as a sort of "Grand Central Station" concept.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 04:05

Fivemarks: Feb 21, 2015

Well, with the success of our mission to the Asteroid Belt, we can say for certain that we now have the capabilities to exploit it for TNE resources. In such a case, New Afrika would like to propose the Main and Trojan Mining Act:

-The construction of a Mass Driver complex on either Earth or the Moon, with the facilities to send and receive packets of minerals.

-The construction of Automated Mines on Earth or Luna, along with Mass Drivers that can be transported by starship

-The establishment of Automated Mining Complexes on TNE-rich asteroids in the Main Belt and Jovian Trojans, which will extract useful TNEs and launch them towards the Earth or the Moon, where the Mass Driver there will receive the mineral package.

- At least 20 such Asteroids should be exploited in this way before the year 1990, and at least 40 more by the year 2000.

Loel posted:

Proposal 3:
Part 1: Expanding research into missile systems, anti-missile systems and rocket technology.
Part 2: Renewing nuclear weapon research and testing; in space, in atmosphere, underground, and underwater.
Part 3: Making nuclear weapons the primary focus of our land and space forces.
Part 4: Allowing individual states of the COMINTERP to build and stockpile additional weapons, subject to declaration and inspection.
Part 5: Building shelters sufficient to resist future nuclear attacks.

These proposals will override Z-92 and P-123 as needed to enact them.
These proposals override the �no warships� clause of JR-20, but not �no first strike.�

New Afrika strenuously objects to portions of this, and would propose a number of RIDERS to this Proposal:

-A modification of Part 2: Nuclear Weapons Testing on Earth, or any world with an active biosphere, will remain banned.
-Part 4: New Afrika calls completely and entirely for this portion to be struck, and if itcannot be removed, to have the entire proposal rejected.

Fivemarks fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jun 26, 2022

# ? Jun 26, 2022 05:30

idhrendur: Aug 20, 2016

Asterite34 posted:

Okay, well since people seem to be putting forth legislation a bit early, I might as well throw my hat in the ring with an opening offering

The DRMN proposes the Luna Integrated Mining, Industry and Transportation, or LIMIT Act, an omnibus bill designed to modernize and industrialize the moon now that we have a surplus population capable of sustaining heavy TNE-based industry.

-An initiative to set up TNE Mines to begin exploitation of Luna's Corbomite deposits. As our recent tests at Ariadne demonstrate, space-based mining is the future, and Luna is a nearby well-supplied test bed for perfecting the technology on a larger scale.

-The installation of Mass Driver systems on Luna. These will use railgun-esque magnetic acceleration to fire packets of refined TNEs, equipped with a small guidance package and wrapped in a thin Duranium shell, where they will be safely captured and decelerated by a corresponding Mass Driver array Earthside. This will allow TNEs from across the Solar System to flow into the industrial facilities of Earth, and if need be can allow Earth to SEND TNEs to outposts that need them for whatever specialized reason, all at truly massive scale. Of course these Mass Drivers are only useful for bulk mineral freight, not passengers of specialized cargo. Hence the third point:

-The Construction of a proper Cargo Shuttle Station at Lunagrad. Over 14 million people have emigrated to Luna, and tons of cargo and essental infrastructure, and all of it has passed through a hastily constructed ad hoc spaceport. As it currently stands, the time it takes to load and unload freight arriving at Lunagrad is an order of magnitude longer than the actual space voyage. This is monstrously inefficient for the amount of traffic the place recieves. We propose the construction of a modern dedicated facility dedicated to expediting and streaming the loading and unloading of passengers and cargo, all with a dedicated link to Luna's nascent rail network as a sort of "Grand Central Station" concept.

Seonded

# ? Jun 26, 2022 05:37

idhrendur: Aug 20, 2016

Fivemarks posted:

New Afrika strenuously objects to portions of this, and would propose a number of RIDERS to this Proposal:

-A modification of Part 2: Nuclear Weapons Testing on Earth, or any world with an active biosphere, will remain banned.
-Part 4: New Afrika calls completely and entirely for this portion to be struck, and if itcannot be removed, to have the entire proposal rejected.

Assuming we can second riders, SECONDED.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 05:38

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Fivemarks posted:

Well, with the success of our mission to the Asteroid Belt, we can say for certain that we now have the capabilities to exploit it for TNE resources. In such a case, New Afrika would like to propose the Main and Trojan Mining Act:

-The construction of a Mass Driver complex on either Earth or the Moon, with the facilities to send and receive packets of minerals.

-The construction of Automated Mines on Earth or Luna, along with Mass Drivers that can be transported by starship

-The establishment of Automated Mining Complexes on TNE-rich asteroids in the Main Belt and Jovian Trojans, which will extract useful TNEs and launch them towards the Earth or the Moon, where the Mass Driver there will receive the mineral package.

- At least 20 such Asteroids should be exploited in this way before the year 1990, and at least 40 more by the year 2000.

Seconded, insofar as our agendas synergize pretty much perfectly

# ? Jun 26, 2022 06:10

NewMars: Mar 10, 2013

Oh man, that nuke bill is uh.. uhhh... uuhhhh????

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:08

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.

It's the path to security, comrade.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 07:36

Redeye Flight: Mar 26, 2010; God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?

Loel posted:

It's the path to security, comrade.

It is the path to ruin and insanity. Even before we get to its face, you are saying that this act should supersede Z-92 and P-123. Those are, respectively, the CITRA act and the Nuclear Weapon Anti-Proliferation and Control Act. It would effectively completely repeal P-123, and as for Z-92, which this act says it should supersede wherever it might inhibit enactment...

quote:

Z-92, The Civilian Intimidation, Terror, and Retaliation Act, CITRA: 1- Ban any acts of violence, terror, torture or retaliation against civilian populaces or individuals being allowable under any circumstance. 2- To codify said ban in the laws and operations of all Comintern military organizations, including land, sea, air, and spaceborne agencies. 3- To try in criminal court both Comintern and Non-Comintern polities, organizations, and individuals who commit acts of violence, terror, torture or retaliation against civilian populaces or individuals, up to and including capital punishment if deemed necessary. 4- To ban all production of terror weapons, chemical agents, and any other objects that are intended for use in acts of violence, terror, torture or retaliation against civilian populaces or individuals ;5- To ban research into any future technologies intended for use in said acts.

And this is before the insanity that is the body itself! Renewing weapons testing in all areas of the biosphere? Reinstating nuclear weapons as part of the land warfare doctrine after we have developed and put our anti-ICBM system into place? Allowing individual country stockpiles? My Appalachian comrades have suffered greatly, this is not a question of debate, but they may not be familiar with what complete tactical nuclear war looks like. The government of the DVR would be happy to finance their observers a visit to the Fulda Exclusion Zone to correct this.

As for this act, the DVR condemns the entire thing in the strongest possible terms. Only Clauses 1 and 5 are acceptable, and the role of nuclear weapons in the irradiated void of space may be plausible, but this represents a complete reversal of course and we cannot endorse it.

The Appalachian first and second proposals we have no compunctions with.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:11

Redeye Flight: Mar 26, 2010; God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?

The Deutsche Volksrepublik, incidentally, is preparing an intelligence regulatory bill, but we are waiting on additional information from the followup report on the Comintern's structure.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:25

Hostergaard: Sep 14, 2012

The Utopia Collective proposes the following

The Solar Fortification Omnibus bill:

This omnibus bill is not intended to be immediately executed but serve as long term goals to be done when its reasonably feasible

- Project Sword and Shield

Fortify earth and the moon and deploy ground units in a way where they can support each other in case of alien invasion (or war). Basically, develop ground units and fortification with surface to orbit weapons capable of reaching the other body (earth and the moon). And other relevant weapon systems. This so that any alien invasion would have to content with both the moon and earth at the same time if they wish to invade one or the other, making it a vastly more difficult effort since while one being invaded, the shield, then the other can work as the sword and attack the invading force. It is believed that lasers should have sufficient range to cover heart and the moon when placed on either. It is unknown if its actually feasible for ground units to target units on other planets.

- Project Fortress Io

As a long term goal once it becomes relevant, turn Io into a fortress planet (and terraform it into a jungle planet) that will work as a backup in case earth is invaded as it is the most defensible spot in the solar system. If turned into a jungle planet any ships firing on the planet would have to fire hundreds of times to even hit once, meaning any surface to orbit weapon there will count for hundreds in space making them virtually indestructible It will be a place for to humanity and its leadership retreat and continue its resistance in case earth is lost. It will also have trained functionaries and elected personnel that will take the role of interim leadership should the leadership on earth be lost. It will contains archives and will during everyday function perform low level administrative functions to ensure they have the experience and knowledge to take leadership in an emergency. I will also serve as place for the fleet to regroup and staging ground for counter attacks with maintenance facilities to support this.

- Project Backup

The Minervans had the right idea: the planet is so far out nothing can detect but in close range. We should create a small self sufficient outpost on one of the minerveran moons (with luck moon #3 will have TNE minerals) to ensure the survival of the human race if the rest of the solar system is complete destroyed. They will be provided with databases of human history, science, dna library and art and some minor amount of TNE materials, factories and so on. If humanity is lost, they will once its safe repopulate the solar system. Edit: It will also work as a outpost to interact with the aliens in there. The Utopia Collective firmly denies that project Backup is merely an excuse for an opportunity to pet the alien slugs.

- Project Eyes and Ears

As we are establishing apple seeds on asteroids, it is suggested that we should outfit listening outpost in the asteroid belt in a ring around the entire inner system so not as much as a fighter can make it trough from the outer system to inner system without us knowing it.

Feel free to pick and choose among the parts you like to second if you so wishes, as I am sure not everything is to everyone liking.

Btw, I noted that the game turns are one day turns, I discovered a while back that if you make a colony on the moon, it the shorter the turn length the faster the moon and civilian shipping grow as the distance is so short its a matter of minutes or hours to make a round trip. If you have longer turn lengths, say a week, they will only make one round trip that week. But if you make one hour increments they will make several round trips per day. So ironically we will se a very strong civilian sector in this communist game.

Hostergaard fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 26, 2022

# ? Jun 26, 2022 09:39

Hostergaard: Sep 14, 2012

The Utopia Collective proposes also:

The artistic and scientific freedom omnibus bill:

While communism have freed humankind and nominally gives everyone equal access to the collective resources of humankind we must also acknowledge that the planning and allocation of resources of mankind is somewhat top down. That is that by the nature of things someone decide what projects gets resources or not. This means that some projects or ideas will not be allocated resources simply based on personal beliefs and preferences of whoever is that decided who gets resources. Therefore we suggest the following that ministry collects information on the average economic output of the average comrade. The information is used to codify that a small percentage of every comrade economic output is used to support art, science, culture and other project in a manner that is not top down but rather down up. How? Well, trough the following sub bills:

- The artistic support bill (Hollywood bill)

As we no longer have copyright, other means of supporting artistic endeavors such as movies, songs, paintings and so on should be explored. The utopia collective suggest that a portion of the GDP is set aside to support a system where the number of views a movies get, songs listened to and so on gets tracked and based on the popularity such project get a percentage of the resources collected to produce further pieces of work. A recent proposal of attaching unique crypto-identifiers on each piece of art have been suggested, this will allow resources to be transferred to anonymous sources so that artist can produce their arts anonymously and produce works that might risk heavy backlash otherwise.

- The Patreon Bill

Similar to the previous bill, a pool of resources is collected and comrades can then assign these resource to whatever projects they please in whatever percentages they want. Each person can assign resources reflecting percentage of the economic output of the person. They can assign it to one project or a thousand. This exist to enable comrades to create projects and explore ideas without having to petition any central government but can simply ask other people to support them with a share. We suggest that crypto-identifiers be explored so that people can assign and receive resources anonymously.

We believe that these bills will help assuage fears of the Comminterp being authoritative, that projects outside its central control can and will exists. We hope it will appeal to people sceptical of goverments, anarchists , so they can find the freedom to pursue their projects within the sphere of Comminterp.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 10:31

Mycroft Holmes: Mar 26, 2010; by Azathoth

Hostergaard posted:

The Utopia Collective proposes the following

The Solar Fortification Omnibus bill:

This omnibus bill is not intended to be immediately executed but serve as long term goals to be done when its reasonably feasible

- Project Sword and Shield

Fortify earth and the moon and deploy ground units in a way where they can support each other in case of alien invasion (or war). Basically, develop ground units and fortification with surface to orbit weapons capable of reaching the other body (earth and the moon). And other relevant weapon systems. This so that any alien invasion would have to content with both the moon and earth at the same time if they wish to invade one or the other, making it a vastly more difficult effort since while one being invaded, the shield, then the other can work as the sword and attack the invading force. It is believed that lasers should have sufficient range to cover heart and the moon when placed on either. It is unknown if its actually feasible for ground units to target units on other planets.

- Project Fortress Io

As a long term goal once it becomes relevant, turn Io into a fortress planet (and terraform it into a jungle planet) that will work as a backup in case earth is invaded as it is the most defensible spot in the solar system. If turned into a jungle planet any ships firing on the planet would have to fire hundreds of times to even hit once, meaning any surface to orbit weapon there will count for hundreds in space making them virtually indestructible It will be a place for to humanity and its leadership retreat and continue its resistance in case earth is lost. It will also have trained functionaries and elected personnel that will take the role of interim leadership should the leadership on earth be lost. It will contains archives and will during everyday function perform low level administrative functions to ensure they have the experience and knowledge to take leadership in an emergency. I will also serve as place for the fleet to regroup and staging ground for counter attacks with maintenance facilities to support this.

- Project Backup

The Minervans had the right idea: the planet is so far out nothing can detect but in close range. We should create a small self sufficient outpost on one of the minerveran moons (with luck moon #3 will have TNE minerals) to ensure the survival of the human race if the rest of the solar system is complete destroyed. They will be provided with databases of human history, science, dna library and art and some minor amount of TNE materials, factories and so on. If humanity is lost, they will once its safe repopulate the solar system.

- Project Eyes and Ears

As we are establishing apple seeds on asteroids, it is suggested that we should outfit listening outpost in the asteroid belt in a ring around the entire inner system so not as much as a fighter can make it trough from the outer system to inner system without us knowing it.

Feel free to pick and choose among the parts you like to second if you so wishes, as I am sure not everything is to everyone liking.

Btw, I noted that the game turns are one day turns, I discovered a while back that if you make a colony on the moon, it the shorter the turn length the faster the moon and civilian shipping grow as the distance is so short its a matter of minutes or hours to make a round trip. If you have longer turn lengths, say a week, they will only make one round trip that week. But if you make one hour increments they will make several round trips per day. So ironically we will se a very strong civilian sector in this communist game.

Hostergaard posted:

The Utopia Collective proposes also:

The artistic and scientific freedom omnibus bill:

While communism have freed humankind and nominally gives everyone equal access to the collective resources of humankind we must also acknowledge that the planning and allocation of resources of mankind is somewhat top down. That is that by the nature of things someone decide what projects gets resources or not. This means that some projects or ideas will not be allocated resources simply based on personal beliefs and preferences of whoever is that decided who gets resources. Therefore we suggest the following that ministry collects information on the average economic output of the average comrade. The information is used to codify that a small percentage of every comrade economic output is used to support art, science, culture and other project in a manner that is not top down but rather down up. How? Well, trough the following sub bills:

- The artistic support bill (Hollywood bill)

As we no longer have copyright, other means of supporting artistic endeavors such as movies, songs, paintings and so on should be explored. The utopia collective suggest that a portion of the GDP is set aside to support a system where the number of views a movies get, songs listened to and so on gets tracked and based on the popularity such project get a percentage of the resources collected to produce further pieces of work. A recent proposal of attaching unique crypto-identifiers on each piece of art have been suggested, this will allow resources to be transferred to anonymous sources so that artist can produce their arts anonymously and produce works that might risk heavy backlash otherwise.

- The Patreon Bill

Similar to the previous bill, a pool of resources is collected and comrades can then assign these resource to whatever projects they please in whatever percentages they want. Each person can assign resources reflecting percentage of the economic output of the person. They can assign it to one project or a thousand. This exist to enable comrades to create projects and explore ideas without having to petition any central government but can simply ask other people to support them with a share. We suggest that crypto-identifiers be explored so that people can assign and receive resources anonymously.

We believe that these bills will help assuage fears of the Comminterp being authoritative, that projects outside its central control can and will exists. We hope it will appeal to people sceptical of goverments, anarchists , so they can find the freedom to pursue their projects within the sphere of Comminterp.

Seconded

# ? Jun 26, 2022 11:47

sheep-dodger: Feb 21, 2013

is there a list of what legislation has already been passed anywhere?

# ? Jun 26, 2022 13:41

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nF1aPOZtM7RuXMZ42cDRW9xubv-EK8IH-hYn0RlxCdA/edit

# ? Jun 26, 2022 13:56

NewMars: Mar 10, 2013

Now for my other two bills.

The NBC defence and cleanup taskforce.

With the situation in Appalachia drawing attention to the problem, this bill will create defense and environmental taskforces devoted to engineering ways of defence against chemical and biological warfare, as well as ways to extricate them from the environment in order to protect human life and the environment. The first target of these taskforces will be the rainbow agent contamination in Appalachia.

The Sustainability and Industrial-Agricultural Efficiency Initiative.

TNE's are vital now. But much like the oil of yesteryear and, well, still, today, they are not unlimited. We must not lose sight of the fact that we are living in the world of our children and our children's children. For the sake of this, this bill focuses on the creation and sponsorship of cross-ministry, international and national organizations devoted to discovering and implementing ways to do more with less. To create and discover ways, not just in engineering, but in society, of minimizing our reliance on TNE's and other limited resources without compromising quality of life.

NewMars fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Jun 26, 2022

# ? Jun 26, 2022 14:20

Antilles: Feb 22, 2008

Loel posted:

Proposal 3:
Part 1: Expanding research into missile systems, anti-missile systems and rocket technology.
Part 2: Renewing nuclear weapon research and testing; in space, in atmosphere, underground, and underwater.
Part 3: Making nuclear weapons the primary focus of our land and space forces.
Part 4: Allowing individual states of the COMINTERP to build and stockpile additional weapons, subject to declaration and inspection.
Part 5: Building shelters sufficient to resist future nuclear attacks.

These proposals will override Z-92 and P-123 as needed to enact them.
These proposals override the �no warships� clause of JR-20, but not �no first strike.�

Yeah, no. Nuclear weapons have scarred both our planet and the psyche of mankind itself, and it's only the discovery of magic space rocks that've given us the chance to heal the first (for the second only time will help). In an ideal world we'd ban nuclear weapons completely, but unfortunately since our academicians are 100% sure it'll effectively render impossible a major branch of space weaponry and well, everything we've discovered in our solar system indicates we'd be fools to not have at least a strong defense, some concessions will have to be made. Kalmar Union offers the following counter-proposal:

Planetside Nuclear Weapons Ban and Operational Nuclear Weaponry Doctrine
* All currently existing nuclear weapons are to be collected and made safe for off-world transport, and secure off-world storage facilities built as soon as possible. One of the moons of Mars seemed like the best option during initial planning stages, but this is open to change if the CI planners believe there's a better off-world location. The Nuclear Weapons Authority, already doing a good job with CI polities, will work with our diplomatic corps to add this clause in the observer status, as well as reaching out to all non-aligned and hostile polities for a project offering for a period a bounty on nuclear weapons, dedicated facilities or nuclear reactors made to facilitate the creation of nuclear weapons. The carrot will be a reward of the CI covering all costs for collection, dismantling and upgrading to purely civilian reactors, alongside appropriate rewards such as diplomatic goodwill, resources, wealth or (in the case of individuals or organizations) pardons for most previous crimes. After this period is over the mere act of possessing any of these will result in the stick of automatic trigger of CITRA's 'crimes against humanity' clause and/or major diplomatic penalties.
* Begin construction of an official MOSA-directed colony on the same celestial body as the off-world nuclear storage facility, beginning with research labs (either moved from Earth or new ones constructed, as our resources allow) that will be focused on missile research, then an ordnance factory and ordnance transfer station timed to be ready for our first missile weaponry-armed spaceships.
* Blanket ban on using nuclear weapons on Earth and other celestial bodies containing active biospheres, as well as on barren worlds containing a significant civilian population.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 14:28

Hostergaard: Sep 14, 2012

The third and final omnibus bill by the Utopia Collective:

The One World omnibus bill:

The Nomad Project:

We in the Utopia Collective have experiment with alternative lifestyles, particularly in living arrangement. As the mass transit rails expanded parts of collective decided to live out of standard transport containers which they then had transported on rail whenever they felt like moving to a new place. The containers gets loaded, moved by rail and offloaded to a new spot and the people can live there like they always lived there.

As we believe there is need to break down national barriers and foster a shared identity we suggest that this experiment be turned into national policy; that a percentage of housing being build shall be build in modular blocks that can be easily sealed and transported by rail to a new location at the request by the inhabitant and housing blocks are build with slotting this module into them in mind. With connecting tubes the house could even be used during transport. We envision a future where a person might go to bed looking out the fjords of the Kalmar union and wake up to step out on a beach in California to catch some waves. We believe that the majority of people, families and such will still prefer stable homes and communities but we imagine that young people will enjoy the freedom to explore different communities and cultures as they please and foster a truly international spirit. Perhaps one day this nomadic lifestyle will include space faring vessels so one can move to the moon or mars as they please.

One hour planet Project:

With the experiences from building vacuum rail on the moon we believe that it can be applied on earth with TN materials and a network of vacuum tubes can be build on earth to connect major population hotspots that can theoretically move a person from one spot on the earth to another in minutes. One can only look at how quickly we move from earth to the moon to see the potential. I therefore propose a series of loops going beyond hypersonic speeds, hyperloops if you will. These loops are to placed and build in connection with slower rails so that people can seamlessly move between them and enable them to move between any two points at earth at record time. My suggestion is that we set the following goals; first that any two points on earth are 24 hours away for the average comrade. Then the next goal be 8 hours, then 4 hours and finally 1 hour. After that we can make improvements as needed, but the ultimate goal will be to connect earth so as any two people are only one hour away by mass transit. We envision that this will work well with the nomad project creating a future where people can gather in communities, live together and move on as they please the moment they want to where borders truly no longer matter.

Hostergaard fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jun 26, 2022

# ? Jun 26, 2022 15:12

Mycroft Holmes: Mar 26, 2010; by Azathoth

Bering Strait proposal
In the interests of further interconnecting the world, a working group should be put together to investigate the feasibility of a Bering Strait Bridge. If the group finds it possible, COMRAIL will be authorized to begin construction and outreach efforts to Alaskan polities for land access and interconnection with remnant North American rail networks.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 15:29

Hostergaard: Sep 14, 2012

Mycroft Holmes posted:

Bering Strait proposal
In the interests of further interconnecting the world, a working group should be put together to investigate the feasibility of a Bering Strait Bridge. If the group finds it possible, COMRAIL will be authorized to begin construction and outreach efforts to Alaskan polities for land access and interconnection with remnant North American rail networks.

Seconded!

# ? Jun 26, 2022 15:32

Fivemarks: Feb 21, 2015

Hostergaard posted:

The Utopia Collective proposes the following

The Solar Fortification Omnibus bill:

This omnibus bill is not intended to be immediately executed but serve as long term goals to be done when its reasonably feasible

- Project Sword and Shield

Fortify earth and the moon and deploy ground units in a way where they can support each other in case of alien invasion (or war). Basically, develop ground units and fortification with surface to orbit weapons capable of reaching the other body (earth and the moon). And other relevant weapon systems. This so that any alien invasion would have to content with both the moon and earth at the same time if they wish to invade one or the other, making it a vastly more difficult effort since while one being invaded, the shield, then the other can work as the sword and attack the invading force. It is believed that lasers should have sufficient range to cover heart and the moon when placed on either. It is unknown if its actually feasible for ground units to target units on other planets.

- Project Fortress Io

As a long term goal once it becomes relevant, turn Io into a fortress planet (and terraform it into a jungle planet) that will work as a backup in case earth is invaded as it is the most defensible spot in the solar system. If turned into a jungle planet any ships firing on the planet would have to fire hundreds of times to even hit once, meaning any surface to orbit weapon there will count for hundreds in space making them virtually indestructible It will be a place for to humanity and its leadership retreat and continue its resistance in case earth is lost. It will also have trained functionaries and elected personnel that will take the role of interim leadership should the leadership on earth be lost. It will contains archives and will during everyday function perform low level administrative functions to ensure they have the experience and knowledge to take leadership in an emergency. I will also serve as place for the fleet to regroup and staging ground for counter attacks with maintenance facilities to support this.

- Project Backup

The Minervans had the right idea: the planet is so far out nothing can detect but in close range. We should create a small self sufficient outpost on one of the minerveran moons (with luck moon #3 will have TNE minerals) to ensure the survival of the human race if the rest of the solar system is complete destroyed. They will be provided with databases of human history, science, dna library and art and some minor amount of TNE materials, factories and so on. If humanity is lost, they will once its safe repopulate the solar system.

- Project Eyes and Ears

As we are establishing apple seeds on asteroids, it is suggested that we should outfit listening outpost in the asteroid belt in a ring around the entire inner system so not as much as a fighter can make it trough from the outer system to inner system without us knowing it.

Feel free to pick and choose among the parts you like to second if you so wishes, as I am sure not everything is to everyone liking.

Btw, I noted that the game turns are one day turns, I discovered a while back that if you make a colony on the moon, it the shorter the turn length the faster the moon and civilian shipping grow as the distance is so short its a matter of minutes or hours to make a round trip. If you have longer turn lengths, say a week, they will only make one round trip that week. But if you make one hour increments they will make several round trips per day. So ironically we will se a very strong civilian sector in this communist game.

This is going much too far, much too fast. We need to focus our resources on our current priorities and the colonization of bodies that aren't harsh deathtraps, not trying to terraform planets over a process that can take Millennia- not when it would be much more economical to use space habitats to exploit the minerals of hostile planets such as Io.

As for Project Sword and Shield, we don't need to make a repeat of the Early United States' sputtering incompetence with naval affairs- our planned Planetary Defense Centers should be suitable.

New Afrika calls for every Comintern member in the African Diaspora Bloc to vote AGAINST this proposal, especially the ludicrous proposals related to Io.

Fivemarks fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jun 26, 2022

# ? Jun 26, 2022 15:51

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Fivemarks posted:

This is going much too far, much too fast. We need to focus our resources on our current priorities and the colonization of bodies that aren't harsh deathtraps, not trying to terraform planets over a process that can take Millennia- not when it would be much more economical to use space habitats to exploit the minerals of hostile planets such as Io.

As for Project Sword and Shield, we don't need to make a repeat of the Early United States' sputtering incompetence with naval affairs- our planned Planetary Defense Centers should be suitable.

New Afrika calls for every Comintern member in the African Diaspora Bloc to vote AGAINST this proposal, especially the ludicrous proposals related to Io.

You know what, I'm gonna go to bat for this proposal a little.

Sword and Shield does have the appeal of instantly turning any assault on the Earth-Luna system into a two-front war. In the case of laser batteries on the moon, the average person might get leery about an orbital doomsday laser pointed down at them, but with the atmospheric attenuation of laser weapons, they would only do significant damage to stuff in space, which is where we'd want them firing anyway. Conversely this runs into the problem of any lasers on Earth's surface having to shoot up through the attenuating atmosphere and being rendered useless by the time the beam reaches Luna. Maybe orbital installations? Or we just rely on the Excalibur batteries earthside and just focus on Luna getting some weaponry.

As for Fortress Io... yeah it's kinda nuts, but it IS explicitly a long-term goal to be worked towards as we find feasible, so it's not like it would gently caress up the timetable of anything else we're working on, or immediately drain us of other resources. Plus there is a certain appeal to the idea of turning Io, maybe the shittiest body in the Solar System after Venus, into a verdant edenic sanctuary for humanity's culture, becoming an unassailable Space Vietnam in a pinch. It even has TNEs so it's not a total material waste to invest in, though yes the early stages of any colonization work would involve space habitats and auto-mines.

Project Backup is, admiteddly, kinda redundant with Fortress Io, and might step on the toes of the current inhabitants of the system, so we might table that one.

And honestly I'm surprised you aren't endorsing Project Eyes and Ears, as it synergizes neatly with your push for developing the Asteroid Belt. I mean, as long as people are gonna be buzzing around out there plopping down Mass Drivers and auto-mines anyway, why not install a listening post/comms relay while they're at it and give us a bit of a deep space surveillance net?

# ? Jun 26, 2022 17:46

Hostergaard: Sep 14, 2012

Fivemarks posted:

This is going much too far, much too fast. We need to focus our resources on our current priorities and the colonization of bodies that aren't harsh deathtraps, not trying to terraform planets over a process that can take Millennia- not when it would be much more economical to use space habitats to exploit the minerals of hostile planets such as Io.

As for Project Sword and Shield, we don't need to make a repeat of the Early United States' sputtering incompetence with naval affairs- our planned Planetary Defense Centers should be suitable.

New Afrika calls for every Comintern member in the African Diaspora Bloc to vote AGAINST this proposal, especially the ludicrous proposals related to Io.

New Afrika seems to have quite powerful reaction to the projects, while we in the Utopia Collective deeply appreciate such passions its a reaction that seems to be founded on misconceptions. First is the fact that this is not meant to be fast, its a long term plan meant to direct our efforts in the coming decades. And its very much not too fast, if anything its much too slow. The recent attack on shipyard showed us the folly of being unprepared and not being ready. We must have our defenses ready before the enemy strike, not after, we must think about and prepare our defenses before they are needed. We must have a gate before the enemy are at the gate so to speak. And recent discovery shows that our galaxy likely contains a wealth of civilizations, we already discovered two in our own back yard, it wont be long before we got very real enemies breathing down our neck. We must prepare and make sure that humanity is not naively bought like a lamp to the slaughter because we could not muster the will and effort to secure our existence.

It is, if I may be so frank, also absurd to believe that it will take millennia, our projections clearly indicates that it can be done with merely a hundred terraformers in less than 5 years at current technological levels. Perhaps we should have included this in our initial projection. With the newly invented tractor beam, bases can be constructed that can easily provide the terraformers needed. Even just one terraformer would be able to do it in much less than millennia. In fact, if we where to put significant resources behind it we could do the project within a decade. That said, its not something I believe needs to be done now, but rather as a long term defensive strategy Io is far from hostile, it can in fact be quite friendly. (in fact, all four of the non-low gravity moons of jupiter are great terraforming candidates)Turned into a jungle planet it would be an unassailable fortress of humanity. Space habitats on the other hand are sitting ducks. We have choice, to either make a bastion that can keep humanity safe from the gravest of threats or to be complacent and let the fate of humanity be up to the vagaries of an uncaring universe. What do you wish for comrades? A safe future for our children or one gambling on everyone we meet poses no danger to us?

What more, would this not be proof of the mighty powers of communism, to turn a cold and harsh planet into a verdant tropical paradise? How is that for exhibit on a coming World Exposition!

I hope the commitern member from New Afrika have had their concerns mollified and will reconsider their positions.

We apreciate the support from comrade Asterite34, who seems to have understood the goals of the project. WE believe that project backup serveses no utility, that is true, other than ensuring the survival of the human race. It could be mentioned that we could rely on the experiences of the people surviving on antarctic for this project, perhaps some of the would like to shipped of to be the last seed of humanity out there. What more is, it will also serve as a base and permanent contact point with the Mineveran aliens.

EDIT: The Utopia Collective firmly denies that project Backup is merely an excuse for an opportunity to pet the alien slugs.

Out of character, yeah, Project Backup is largely pointless, its mostly cause I like it in role playing terms, it seems like something someone concerned with the survival of the human race would suggest. In fact, I usually set up something like this in my own games, particularly in systems with two stars where one star is far away. I just really enjoy the idea of a far away enclave that survives when the rest of humanity is destroyed. Like that colony of Protheans in the first mass effect game that was not destroyed

Hostergaard fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jun 26, 2022

# ? Jun 26, 2022 18:39

Antilles: Feb 22, 2008

Antarctic Custodians

Comrades, the question of what to do with Antarctica has come up this year, and in this we feel there is no need to reinvent the wheel. There exists from before the war a treaty which technically is still in effect since it was never officially dissolved and most of it's signatories still exist in one form of another. The full text of the treaty is available for review, but to summarize these are the main points:
*to demilitarize Antarctica, to establish it as a zone free of nuclear tests and the disposal of radioactive waste, and to ensure that it is used for peaceful purposes only;
*to promote international scientific cooperation in Antarctica;
*to set aside disputes over territorial sovereignty.
We suggest CI recognize and accept the terms of the treaty, and suggest member polities with interests in the region also sign the treaty.

In order to make up for the lack of enforcement of the treaty since the outbreak of the war Kalmar Union is prepared to set aside considerable resources, and call upon the other signatories to do likewise, to create an independent organization to act as a custodian for the territory, to both facilitate scientific research as well as undertaking environmental cleanup and conservation.

Regarding the existing outposts on the Antarctic recognizing them as fully independent polities is off the table, but as long as they try to follow the environmental regulations of the treaty we're not gonna chase them off (and will of course offer socialist aid where needed). The custodians will have to build new facilities (an HQ and satellite outposts) and will of course be interested in hiring personnel with extensive experience operating in Antarctic conditions, so efforts will be made to integrate or at least heavily cooperate with the current Antarctic outposts.

(In practice this organization will only be semi-independent since the majority of signatories are CI members, but crucially several signatories aren't so it will technically be open to participation from f.ex. Japan.)

# ? Jun 26, 2022 18:42

NewMars: Mar 10, 2013

Antilles posted:

Antarctic Custodians

Comrades, the question of what to do with Antarctica has come up this year, and in this we feel there is no need to reinvent the wheel. There exists from before the war a treaty which technically is still in effect since it was never officially dissolved and most of it's signatories still exist in one form of another. The full text of the treaty is available for review, but to summarize these are the main points:
*to demilitarize Antarctica, to establish it as a zone free of nuclear tests and the disposal of radioactive waste, and to ensure that it is used for peaceful purposes only;
*to promote international scientific cooperation in Antarctica;
*to set aside disputes over territorial sovereignty.
We suggest CI recognize and accept the terms of the treaty, and suggest member polities with interests in the region also sign the treaty.

In order to make up for the lack of enforcement of the treaty since the outbreak of the war Kalmar Union is prepared to set aside considerable resources, and call upon the other signatories to do likewise, to create an independent organization to act as a custodian for the territory, to both facilitate scientific research as well as undertaking environmental cleanup and conservation.

Regarding the existing outposts on the Antarctic recognizing them as fully independent polities is off the table, but as long as they try to follow the environmental regulations of the treaty we're not gonna chase them off (and will of course offer socialist aid where needed). The custodians will have to build new facilities (an HQ and satellite outposts) and will of course be interested in hiring personnel with extensive experience operating in Antarctic conditions, so efforts will be made to integrate or at least heavily cooperate with the current Antarctic outposts.

(In practice this organization will only be semi-independent since the majority of signatories are CI members, but crucially several signatories aren't so it will technically be open to participation from f.ex. Japan.)

Seconded.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 19:16

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

NewMars posted:

Now for my other two bills.

The NBC defence and cleanup taskforce.

With the situation in Appalachia drawing attention to the problem, this bill will create defense and environmental taskforces devoted to engineering ways of defence against chemical and biological warfare, as well as ways to extricate them from the environment in order to protect human life and the environment. The first target of these taskforces will be the rainbow agent contamination in Appalachia.

The Sustainability and Industrial-Agricultural Efficiency Initiative.

TNE's are vital now. But much like the oil of yesteryear and, well, still, today, they are not unlimited. We must not lose sight of the fact that we are living in the world of our children and our children's children. For the sake of this, this bill focuses on the creation and sponsorship of cross-ministry, international and national organizations devoted to discovering and implementing ways to do more with less. To create and discover ways, not just in engineering, but in society, of minimizing our reliance on TNE's and other limited resources without compromising quality of life.

Seconded to both

# ? Jun 26, 2022 19:17

idhrendur: Aug 20, 2016

NewMars posted:

Now for my other two bills.

The NBC defence and cleanup taskforce.

With the situation in Appalachia drawing attention to the problem, this bill will create defense and environmental taskforces devoted to engineering ways of defence against chemical and biological warfare, as well as ways to extricate them from the environment in order to protect human life and the environment. The first target of these taskforces will be the rainbow agent contamination in Appalachia.

The Sustainability and Industrial-Agricultural Efficiency Initiative.

TNE's are vital now. But much like the oil of yesteryear and, well, still, today, they are not unlimited. We must not lose sight of the fact that we are living in the world of our children and our children's children. For the sake of this, this bill focuses on the creation and sponsorship of cross-ministry, international and national organizations devoted to discovering and implementing ways to do more with less. To create and discover ways, not just in engineering, but in society, of minimizing our reliance on TNE's and other limited resources without compromising quality of life.

Seconded

# ? Jun 26, 2022 19:20

Volmarias: Dec 31, 2002; EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Hostergaard posted:

The Utopia Collective proposes also:

The artistic and scientific freedom omnibus bill:

While communism have freed humankind and nominally gives everyone equal access to the collective resources of humankind we must also acknowledge that the planning and allocation of resources of mankind is somewhat top down. That is that by the nature of things someone decide what projects gets resources or not. This means that some projects or ideas will not be allocated resources simply based on personal beliefs and preferences of whoever is that decided who gets resources. Therefore we suggest the following that ministry collects information on the average economic output of the average comrade. The information is used to codify that a small percentage of every comrade economic output is used to support art, science, culture and other project in a manner that is not top down but rather down up. How? Well, trough the following sub bills:

- The artistic support bill (Hollywood bill)

As we no longer have copyright, other means of supporting artistic endeavors such as movies, songs, paintings and so on should be explored. The utopia collective suggest that a portion of the GDP is set aside to support a system where the number of views a movies get, songs listened to and so on gets tracked and based on the popularity such project get a percentage of the resources collected to produce further pieces of work. A recent proposal of attaching unique crypto-identifiers on each piece of art have been suggested, this will allow resources to be transferred to anonymous sources so that artist can produce their arts anonymously and produce works that might risk heavy backlash otherwise.

- The Patreon Bill

Similar to the previous bill, a pool of resources is collected and comrades can then assign these resource to whatever projects they please in whatever percentages they want. Each person can assign resources reflecting percentage of the economic output of the person. They can assign it to one project or a thousand. This exist to enable comrades to create projects and explore ideas without having to petition any central government but can simply ask other people to support them with a share. We suggest that crypto-identifiers be explored so that people can assign and receive resources anonymously.

We believe that these bills will help assuage fears of the Comminterp being authoritative, that projects outside its central control can and will exists. We hope it will appeal to people sceptical of goverments, anarchists , so they can find the freedom to pursue their projects within the sphere of Comminterp.

This... is capitalism with extra steps, comrade. Rewarding only the most popular of artists while others are granted scraps at most? A payment system that appears tailor made for money laundering, and for allowing counter revolutionary propaganda to be distributed? This isn't even getting into the parts that can happen from corruption!

The intentions here might be pure and laudable, but there's no reason to follow them in this way.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 19:31

paragon1: Nov 22, 2010; FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Mycroft Holmes posted:

Bering Strait proposal
In the interests of further interconnecting the world, a working group should be put together to investigate the feasibility of a Bering Strait Bridge. If the group finds it possible, COMRAIL will be authorized to begin construction and outreach efforts to Alaskan polities for land access and interconnection with remnant North American rail networks.

My colleagues from the Tar Heel Confederation should be pleased to learn that plans for a bridge across the Straits, both Bering and Gibralter, are in place, and the engineering is underway. Construction is slated to begin within the next five years. The main thing holding us up is the political situation in North America.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 20:54

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

paragon1 posted:

My colleagues from the Tar Heel Confederation should be pleased to learn that plans for a bridge across the Straits, both Bering and Gibralter, are in place, and the engineering is underway. Construction is slated to begin within the next five years. The main thing holding us up is the political situation in North America.

Now all we need is some road along the coast of Antarctica linking bridges at Cape Horn and the Cape of Good Hope to link all the continents into a contiguous road and rail network!

Well, that and dealing with the Darien Gap. Maybe we can just build an elevated roadway along the coast and go around it

# ? Jun 26, 2022 21:39

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Interstellar Investigation and Development Program

Communication with the Minervan aliens, while still in its infancy, strongly suggests if not outright confirms that they are from another solar system, and indeed, are from another solar system recently enough that they are well aware of this fact. While the existence of cryosleep means this does not entirely preclude a TNE based generation ship the timescale and fuel use that would be involved in a slower-than-light interstellar journey seems less likely than TNE based faster-than-light travel.

It is of utmost importance that, even if interstellar travel is for the time being beyond our capabilities, we develop an understanding of how such technology functions at a theoretical level with an eye towards early warning and detection as well as laying necessary groundwork to develop such capabilities. Additionally, interstellar surveys to detect so called 'exoplanets' are of increased importance given the crucial nature of gravity wells as sources of TNE materials and the affinity for life on planets shared by heretofore encountered alien life mean systems with such objects are more likely to be inhabited and it would behoove us to possess this information about our nearest potential neighbors.

Additionally, from a military perspective, as we develop our doctrines of conflict in the cosmos it is crucial that we understand how transportation and logistics occur at the distances potential enemies seem capable of operating.

We would direct COMINTERP to gather experts to undertake an organized and collective program to develop such capabilities and to direct such resources as are necessary to facilitate this research.

# ? Jun 26, 2022 22:05

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 00:25

paragon1: Nov 22, 2010; FULL COMMUNISM NOW

atelier morgan posted:

Interstellar Investigation and Development Program

Communication with the Minervan aliens, while still in its infancy, strongly suggests if not outright confirms that they are from another solar system, and indeed, are from another solar system recently enough that they are well aware of this fact. While the existence of cryosleep means this does not entirely preclude a TNE based generation ship the timescale and fuel use that would be involved in a slower-than-light interstellar journey seems less likely than TNE based faster-than-light travel.

It is of utmost importance that, even if interstellar travel is for the time being beyond our capabilities, we develop an understanding of how such technology functions at a theoretical level with an eye towards early warning and detection as well as laying necessary groundwork to develop such capabilities. Additionally, interstellar surveys to detect so called 'exoplanets' are of increased importance given the crucial nature of gravity wells as sources of TNE materials and the affinity for life on planets shared by heretofore encountered alien life mean systems with such objects are more likely to be inhabited and it would behoove us to possess this information about our nearest potential neighbors.

Additionally, from a military perspective, as we develop our doctrines of conflict in the cosmos it is crucial that we understand how transportation and logistics occur at the distances potential enemies seem capable of operating.

We would direct COMINTERP to gather experts to undertake an organized and collective program to develop such capabilities and to direct such resources as are necessary to facilitate this research.

Seconded

# ? Jun 26, 2022 23:44

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