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I come here to laud Harrison and not bury him but didn't the X of Eden books have like weird human lizard sex in them? I remember being vaguely disturbed as a youth and stopping reading them because of that.
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quantumfoam posted:The other Bill books aren't as good and suffer a continuous steep decline in quality at book #3. The first one ends on a pretty strong, amusing note so it's a pity there was a need to make sequels
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Jun 25, 2022 23:53
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Scaramouche posted:I come here to laud Harrison and not bury him but didn't the X of Eden books have like weird human lizard sex in them? I remember being vaguely disturbed as a youth and stopping reading them because of that. Yeah, in West of Eden the lizard boss keeps Kerrick around because he doesn't die after too much loving, unlike the male Yilanè. He's a captive teenager raised by the lizards though, so it's mostly written as being abusive rather than erotic.
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Jun 26, 2022 02:57
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Yeah, unlike almost a LOT of other creepy poo poo from scifi authors, you're meant to be totally skeeved out by what was happening to him. He's an abused slave being raped and has no concept of what is happening to him and the book deals with the guilt and shame and confusion of it all. I also totally understand someone immediately checking out of the series when literal molestation comes up. Because, holy poo poo, does science fiction have a bad track record of deal with stuff like that.
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Jun 26, 2022 03:18
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Brawnfire posted:Milf porn should be the participants getting more and more turned on until they're just about to go at it and then a wailing cry comes over the baby monitor and the mom disappears into the other room for an indeterminate length of time This is the most accurate poo poo I’ve ever read
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pentyne posted:Example was in the 00s everything was Milfs so they were putting out milf stuff with women in their early 20s like.....what even does that mean anymore? Just any adult woman? Sadly milf hunters devastated the milf population so producers have to resort to younger and younger milfs.
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Jun 26, 2022 04:10
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Yeah, unlike almost a LOT of other creepy poo poo from scifi authors, you're meant to be totally skeeved out by what was happening to him. I wouldn't even consider 'you're meant to be skeeved out' as necessarily meaning it isn't meant to be erotica in some form, as Stephen R. Donaldson has a lot of books where rape is a big thing and so horrible and degrading and yet at the same time it is comes up enough and in specific ways that it's pretty clear that Donaldson gets off on how horrible it is.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:The first one ends on a pretty strong, amusing note so it's a pity there was a need to make sequels The 6 sequels to the original Bill the Galactic Hero book are essentially parodies of other scifi genres or movies or IRL events. For example, Book 7 is a overt parody of 1990's Gulf War 1, book 5 is an overt parody of the first 2 Alien franchise movies, book 4 parodies golden age pulp fiction, book 2 is a bizarre overstuffed mashup of aliens doing an overt NATO vs Warsaw Pact forever cold war + a parody of A Princess of Mars + a parody of King Arthur & the Knights of the Round Table. In addition to all that Bill book 2 also manages to cram in a deadly 5 page parody of the cyberpunk genre. I'd love to discuss the Bill the Galactic Hero books more, but another thread like maybe the mil-scif thread is a better fit than spamming this thread. The most creepy/media that did not age well stuff I remember Harry Harrison writing is the lizard queen rapist in the Eden series previously mentioned in this thread, plus the 3 or 5 stories he wrote in the mid 1970's where Israeli kibbutz's and the Mossad were the heroes of liberty and independence movements fighting for freedom worldwide. quantumfoam has a new favorite as of 07:22 on Jun 26, 2022 |
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Incest porn is driven by crusader king 2 (which only true taste makers play) and star citizen (the home of Supreme gentlemen).
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I love Harry Harrison “ethical engineer” type stories. Wheelworld, Captive Universe, Deathworld 2, and tons more. One man on a planet of backwater hillbillies, trying to save them from themselves.
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MrUnderbridge posted:The Stainless steel rat series is good. There is a couple of weak ones (SSR joins the circus, SSR sings the blues), but the main ones and the prequels are pretty good. It was my absolute favorite series for a while. I think the weak links in it relate to what an earlier poster had said about Harrison’s “just write even if it’s crap to keep writing” policy.
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SgtScruffy posted:This is the most accurate poo poo I’ve ever read The baby never cries but every 2 or 3 minutes the woman shushes you and stares into space, "is the baby crying?"
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:One man on a planet of backwater hillbillies, trying to save them from themselves. lmao
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Oh,I still binge read the books every couple of years! It's pretty interesting how the technology in that future keeps getting amended as current technology changes.
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Scaramouche posted:I come here to laud Harrison and not bury him but didn't the X of Eden books have like weird human lizard sex in them? I remember being vaguely disturbed as a youth and stopping reading them because of that. Others have said their piece on that but I also wanna say, that series was sooo close to great, the only hitch was the entire concept: the dinosaurs never dying out, but also needing humans to evolve as foils. Just felt jerry rigged thru the whole series.
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Since we are talking about scifi there was a period in the late 90s where Del Ray mandated a sex scene. A lot of them were clearly tacked on and not at all sexy.
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Said before about Shonen Jump but true with a lot of mediums, especially genre stuff- a lot of the really forced and tacky seeming conventions are exactly that, editorially mandated.
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Every publisher in the 70s and 80s: "Paedophilia is so 'in' right now."
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The Door Into Summer was the first "grown up" book I ever read and was real special to me and it was increasingly awkward when I re-read it as a teenager and again as an adult. Asimov was always pretty solid though, right? I think most women in his stories were never very developed, usually just Victims and Wives but at least... I don't remember there being any creepy sex stuff in his books.
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credburn posted:The Door Into Summer was the first "grown up" book I ever read and was real special to me and it was increasingly awkward when I re-read it as a teenager and again as an adult. He mostly saved it for real life where he sexually harassed every woman in existence with a malicious glee.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Every publisher in the 70s and 80s: "Paedophilia is so 'in' right now." Everyone involved in the process of writing, editing and consuming fantasy and science-fiction during the 1970's - late 1990's was deeply horny. Book publishing houses and periodical magazine conglomerates started merging around the 1970's, and needed better sales numbers so they could do things like buy the NY Yankee baseball team (DELL), or embezzle more money in lieu of paying out royalties (ACE). The sales numbers that John Norman's GOR and bodice-ripping romance fiction and underground bdsm porn fiction were getting was something mainstream fantasy & sci-fi periodical editors & book publishers wanted badly and they tripled down on the horniness content/bdsm poo poo in response. Aka this explains the entire writing careers of Jack Chalker and Spider Robinson, just to name a few. credburn posted:Asimov was always pretty solid though, right? I think most women in his stories were never very developed, usually just Victims and Wives but at least... I don't remember there being any creepy sex stuff in his books. He mostly did it in real life versus writing creepy sex stuff into his sci-fi stories. Asimov used his double roles as an prolific sci-fi author and as a prolific science-fiction editor that commented on everything to craft the persona of a "all talk, no action" nebbish Woody Allen style pervert to cover up his actual IRL hidden monster conduct vs women in private meetings and at conventions. Any kind of rumors about Asimov quickly got squashed by Asimov writing 90 different subject-matter articles to drown out the noise, or by sci-fi convention organizers not wanting the Isaac Asimov appearing at sci-fi conventions money-train derailed. Asimov sexually harassed the lady who was the editor-in-chief of the SFF periodical called Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine so relentlessly she left the publishing industry completely. I repeat, Asimov sexually harassed the person who managed his own SFF periodical so hard she left the publishing industry entirely rather than have to deal with him. This is the article Asimov wrote when she was the Special Guest of Honor at the Boskone 22 convention back in 1985, which got a "what the gently caress was that?" response from 1985 era sci-fi fandom. https://fanac.org/fanzines/Boskone/Boskone22pb-30.html quantumfoam has a new favorite as of 12:24 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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I was shattered when I found out the type of man Asimov really was. I'd read so many of his books, both the sci fi ones and the one where he just kinda waffled on about "So, how did they work out how much an atom weighs?" or "the origins of each element's names and ridiculously cute anecdotes about each one". And his breadth of knowledge and affability really helped me through some difficult times as a kid. And, goddamn, is "Woody Allen" ever the perfect way to describe him.
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This saddens me a lot 
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It's OK. he died of AIDS.
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Hell of a cancellation, drat
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The first time a female character shows up in Foundation it's something like 167 pages in. I'd have to flip through to look it up, but it's the wife or daughter of some robber baron /merchant prince but in space.
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Mad Hamish posted:The first time a female character shows up in Foundation it's something like 167 pages in. I'd have to flip through to look it up, but it's the wife or daughter of some robber baron /merchant prince but in space.
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Mad Hamish posted:The first time a female character shows up in Foundation it's something like 167 pages in. I'd have to flip through to look it up, but it's the wife or daughter of some robber baron /merchant prince but in space. His most notable female character is presented as a "frigid ice queen" until the final story involving her where they have to deal with a robot that had no knowledge preprogrammed into it and acted like an infant until it learned and she started acting like a "proper woman" by the end.
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What about feynmann? I used to really admire him, but he's got some smooth ladies' man stuff in the memoirs...
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His memoir is a great example of media not aging well, because I read it in middle school and I was like "wow, what a cool guy!!" and then re-read it as an adult and realized how much of it is just him being an incredibly insufferable rear end in a top hat (not to mention the weird pick-up artist chapter).
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I remember Caves of Steel had this like subplot about the dude's wife being named Jezebel and how he insisted that she's nothing like that and to not worry about her name, but there was some kind of epiphany I never fully understood. Like, she secretly liked her name because of what it suggested? Now I can't remember, and I should look it up instead of making poo poo up from a book I read fifteen years ago.
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"What's the deal with women in the bathroom always chatting and gossiping? I mean has anyone else noticed this? When they go to the bathrooms in their throngs of hundreds, they just can't stop talking! I don't know about you, but I'm going to the bathroom to take a silent piss among a thousand other men. Also, what's the deal with so many Humans? There's soo loving many of us. It's hell, I wish I were a Spacer or else dead. Am I the only one? And yet they keep making robots! Hey buddy, we've got enough real humans, how about you don't make a metal one who'll murder you because of some made-up Zeroeth Law? I mean, am I right? Thanks everyone, you've been a great audience."
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The detective's wife in the first Caves of Steel is in on the villainous plot for nebulous silly housewife reasons. He stays married in the sequel but cheats on her Then again characters weren't exactly Asimov's strong suit to begin with
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Then again characters weren't exactly Asimov's strong suit to begin with Yeah, he was more into logic puzzles and murder mysteries.
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credburn posted:I remember Caves of Steel had this like subplot about the dude's wife being named Jezebel and how he insisted that she's nothing like that and to not worry about her name, but there was some kind of epiphany I never fully understood. Like, she secretly liked her name because of what it suggested? Now I can't remember, and I should look it up instead of making poo poo up from a book I read fifteen years ago. She mentions at their early meeting that she's named after an "evil woman" from the Bible, to which Bailey argues that's more of a point of view thing and you could easily find a way to call the Biblical Jezebel a hero. Then long afterward he realizes that she liked having a villain's name and he ruined it for her out of thoughtlessness.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:The detective's wife in the first Caves of Steel is in on the villainous plot for nebulous silly housewife reasons. He stays married in the sequel but cheats on her Turns out when all your actual human interactions center about how to take advantage of people sexually or to make deals about taking advantage of other people sexually, you tend to be actual poo poo at understanding people and unable to write them well.
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Asimov did have some female protagonists. Susan Calvin in the robot stories, Arkady and Bayta in Foundation, Dua and Selene in The Gods Themselves. Publicly and in his stories he was a proponent of feminism. It's just he was a cheerful sex pest, to boot.
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Wasn't it a thing in Stranger In A Strange Land that they had to keep the psychic martian sex god away from The Gays for fear of him catching The Gay and tainting their totally hetero free love sex cult? So they get him to shapeshift to be super masculine to prevent any gay dudes from being attracted to him?
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Tehan posted:So they get him to shapeshift to be super masculine to prevent any gay dudes from being attracted to him? 
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