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CR > Skyfall > NTTD > Spectre > QoS imo
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Jun 29, 2022 04:26
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QoS is may have had the worst directing of the 5. It's bad, but there are some things I liked about it. Olga Kyralenko is great, making QoS one of the rare times that Bond doesn't gently caress the main girl. As for Spectre, someone might as well have zapped me with the neuralyzer from Men in Black after I walked out of the theater, I've never seen a movie that left an impression so little.
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Jun 29, 2022 05:01
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QoS is I think the shortest of the Craig Bonds, so it has that going for it
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Jun 29, 2022 07:18
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I liked QoS, shaky cam not withstanding. Olga was owning. Here's my ranking of the Roger Moore bonds! 1. The Spy Who Loved Me 2. Octopussy 3. For Your Eyes Only 4. Live and Let Die 5. The Man with the Golden Gun 6. A View to a Kill 007. Moonraker I know Moonraker fans, I hear ya, and the laser gun is great on Nintendo 64.
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Jun 29, 2022 08:47
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Queering Wheel posted:CR > Skyfall > NTTD > Spectre > QoS imo seems correct to me op
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Jun 29, 2022 12:18
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QoS had some good action at least (plane chase!), Spectre's was mostly pretty boring (except, er, the snow plane chase... Hmm)
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Jun 29, 2022 13:19
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Queering Wheel posted:CR > Skyfall > NTTD > Spectre > QoS imo I go back and forth on whether Spectre or Quantum is the worst Craig Bond film, but this is otherwise correct. I might end up using this ranking only because Spectre has a pretty great pre-title sequence, whereas the one in QoS is incomprehensible, and might be the worst in the whole series.
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Jun 29, 2022 14:41
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The opera scene in QOS is rad and cool and good. I even like that it has a boring rear end (and real) plot of capitalists trying to control Bolivia's water supply.Heavy Metal posted:
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Jun 29, 2022 14:51
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Discovering that everything bad that's happened to Bond so far has been, as a result of Blofeld loving around with Bond because... reasons... is top 3 worthy alone
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Jun 29, 2022 15:07
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spectre has the best theme song though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLiDemXYSLc
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Jun 29, 2022 15:40
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Spectre is probably going to go down as the worst Craig bond for me due to the inherent insult it represents. I understand that it's something that someone with background information on the series would notice, but I noticed. I said it before in another thread so I'm just gonna quote myself.Magnetic North posted:They expect me to believe that they planned out to have Blofeld be his brother from the start? When in 2006 you didn't even have the rights to use Blofeld in movies due to the longstanding lawsuits. A conflict that got to the point that the studio sent up a giant middle finger 25 years earlier in For Your Eyes Only. They were so sure that multi-decade squabble was going to end, and the rational thing to do in that case is to introduce a Spectre-in-name-only called Quantum in their second movie post-reboot. If they want me to believe that, gently caress them because apparently they think I'm loving stupid.
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Jun 29, 2022 15:52
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FYEO is definitely up there as a top Moore film, ironically for the same reasons Moore hated it. The studio was trying to rein in the campiness and make something more mature, so it's much closer to Fleming's books in tone (including some scenes taken very closely from his short stories) and does neat subversions of old Bond cliches like the Citroen chase. Melina Havelock is one of the very few Moore-era females to not be cringey or useless.
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Jun 29, 2022 16:12
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Queering Wheel posted:CR > Skyfall > NTTD > Spectre > QoS imo This is probably correct but my personal rank would flip QoS and Spectre. I enjoy quite a few elements of QoS whereas Spectre is just dreadfully boring except for the opening and the train fight.
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Jun 29, 2022 16:46
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Magnetic North posted:Spectre is probably going to go down as the worst Craig bond for me due to the inherent insult it represents. I understand that it's something that someone with background information on the series would notice, but I noticed. I said it before in another thread so I'm just gonna quote myself. I have a similar, somewhat irrational resentment for Spectre. My grandfather, who was about 85 at the time, was a big Bond fan in the past but he hadn't seen any of the more recent Bonds. After Skyfall I felt pretty confident that whatever they were gonna do going forward would be self-contained enough that I could bring my grandfather to see it and he would be able to follow the story. Instead we get contrived nonsense about everything connecting back to the previous Craig Bond films and my grandfather ended up completely lost. I felt bad about it and it still feels lovely now thinking about it.
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Jun 29, 2022 16:52
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Spectre is worse, because if nothing else, I can at least remember there was some goofy plot about stealing an underground river in QoS. I can remember absolutely nothing about the plot of Spectre. That movie flowed over and past me, leaving nothing in its wake.
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Jun 29, 2022 17:17
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The weekly planet podcast guys brought up a point about the "evil mastermind is actually your brother" plot, also seen in fast and Furious 9. The bad guy is arranging all these situations and mechanations against our hero because of jealousy. But what if Bond didn't end up becoming a superspy? What if he became a gardener instead? Would Blofeld become an anti-gardener, salting the earth everywhere he went?
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Jun 29, 2022 21:02
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stratdax posted:The weekly planet podcast guys brought up a point about the "evil mastermind is actually your brother" plot, also seen in fast and Furious 9. The bad guy is arranging all these situations and mechanations against our hero because of jealousy. But what if Bond didn't end up becoming a superspy? What if he became a gardener instead? Would Blofeld become an anti-gardener, salting the earth everywhere he went? It's so lazy because these family members are always completely unmentioned before they show up. It happens in 24 too except it's Jack's brother AND father! (who they really messed up by not casting Donald Sutherland) F9 was particularly insulting because FAMILY Cacator fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Jun 29, 2022 21:05
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Cacator posted:It's so lazy because these family members are always completely unmentioned before they show up. It happens in 24 too except it's Jack's brother AND father! (who they really messed up by not casting Donald Sutherland)
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Jun 30, 2022 06:25
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They could at least have had a Solid/Liquid Snake deal. And a Metal Gear. The finale of Spectre is like a parody.
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Jun 30, 2022 08:50
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They should just do a bond movie about him trying and failing to kill Virginia Giuffre thats his modern relevance lol
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Jun 30, 2022 13:10
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Mameluke posted:They should just do a bond movie about him trying and failing to kill Virginia Giuffre thats his modern relevance lol I still lol at how Diamonds are Forever's plot is hey you gotta stop these super poor people from smuggling out like one or two small diamonds every couple of months show no mercy and then the space laser/Blofeld thing is just sort of stumbled into during that.
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Jun 30, 2022 15:43
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Neo Rasa posted:I still lol at how Diamonds are Forever's plot is hey you gotta stop these super poor people from smuggling out like one or two small diamonds every couple of months show no mercy and then the space laser/Blofeld thing is just sort of stumbled into during that.
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Jun 30, 2022 17:52
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Payndz posted:"The profits of one of the world's most exploitative and malevolent companies are being slightly diminished? We'll put one of our top state-sanctioned assassins onto it right away!" I prefer the moonraker book plot for that kind of tomfoolery. "Look bond, I know you're our best assassin, but I have a personal favor to ask: This guy at the club keeps cheating at cards. Take. Him. Down."
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Jun 30, 2022 18:04
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FoolyCharged posted:I prefer the moonraker book plot for that kind of tomfoolery. This is still the only Bond book I've read but yeah the setup rules.
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Jun 30, 2022 19:48
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My Bond opinion is that any Bond movie with extensive underwater fighting or action is boring as hell, and automatically one of the worst. Don’t know why, it’s just enormously boring to me. Doesn’t matter what happens in the rest of the movie, it’s straight to the poo poo pile.
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Jun 30, 2022 23:13
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Von Pluring posted:My Bond opinion is that any Bond movie with extensive underwater fighting or action is boring as hell, and automatically one of the worst. Don’t know why, it’s just enormously boring to me. Doesn’t matter what happens in the rest of the movie, it’s straight to the poo poo pile. next to when they speed up the film to make it look like the cars are driving faster than they are and lets not forget the tire screech sound effects on gravel/snow
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Jun 30, 2022 23:48
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Little late, but I do have to say movie Pussy Galore is an improvement over the book version who is a lesbian until James changes her mind through the power of his penis. "I thought you didn't like men." "Never met a real one before."
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Jul 1, 2022 00:38
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Von Pluring posted:My Bond opinion is that any Bond movie with extensive underwater fighting or action is boring as hell, and automatically one of the worst. Don’t know why, it’s just enormously boring to me. Doesn’t matter what happens in the rest of the movie, it’s straight to the poo poo pile. Case in point: Thunderball and its minutes of confusing underwater combat. I guess you could argue the same of Moonraker's space laser battle.
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Jul 1, 2022 01:02
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:This is still the only Bond book I've read but yeah the setup rules. The opening to Thunderball is great too. M goes on a wellness kick, demands Bond does the same and dispatches him to a heath retreat where one of Bloggers's henchmen also happens to be staying. Then Bond and the henchgoon are kind of just petty dicks to each other
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Jul 1, 2022 04:22
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High Warlord Zog posted:The opening to Thunderball is great too. M goes on a wellness kick, demands Bond does the same and dispatches him to a heath retreat where one of Bloggers's henchmen also happens to be staying. Then Bond and the henchgoon are kind of just petty dicks to each other The books do seem like they put more of a focus on how extreme Bond's abuse of drugs, alcohol and cigarettes is. I love him just stirring speed into his champagne at the card table in Moonraker.
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Jul 1, 2022 14:30
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The stay at Shrublands in Thunderball was directly based on Ian Fleming's own forced retreat to a health clinic by his doctor. Most of the book's description of it is identical to the real place (Enton Hall) down to the layout of the rooms. Fleming, rather than having a feud with an enemy agent, just repeatedly snuck out with a friend to go drinking. Bond's alcohol and cigarette consumption is basically what Fleming did, and why he died of a heart attack at 56. I read a letter of his that I think was to his wife and he was counting the drinks he was making as he typed. He hit 5 gin & tonics by the end.
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Jul 1, 2022 14:50
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:The books do seem like they put more of a focus on how extreme Bond's abuse of drugs, alcohol and cigarettes is. I love him just stirring speed into his champagne at the card table in Moonraker. it's cliche, but it is consistently surprising to me that Archer is essentially just a James Bond adaptation with more jokes.
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Jul 1, 2022 20:47
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Famethrowa posted:it's cliche, but it is consistently surprising to me that Archer is essentially just a James Bond adaptation with more jokes. Like half the jokes in Archer are just putting the subtext of James Bond into text.
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Jul 2, 2022 07:29
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Adam Reed even originally conceived Archer having a British accent. However, when they cast H. Jon Benjamin, Reed thought Benjamin's signature dopey voice fit even better.
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Jul 2, 2022 22:40
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AceOfFlames posted:Adam Reed even originally conceived Archer having a British accent. However, when they cast H. Jon Benjamin, Reed thought Benjamin's signature dopey voice fit even better. I think it works better that way; a British accent would have been a little too on the nose. This way they've had the freedom to lampoon lots of different spies.
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Jul 3, 2022 04:24
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I dunno if I'd call John H Benjamin's voice 'dopey', though the Coach McGuirk voice might be close? Archer's whole thing isn't even that he's stupid, but kind of insane and has incredibly skewed priorities in every aspect of his life. (Actually reminds me of Invader Zim of all things in that aspect)iajanus posted:I think it works better that way; a British accent would have been a little too on the nose. This way they've had the freedom to lampoon lots of different spies. It's like how I think Austin Powers came up a while back; superficially it's a James Bond parody because that's all most Americans know, but it draws a lot more inspiration from Euro spy flicks.
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Jul 3, 2022 12:33
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Yeah maybe "dopey" was too harsh. I just couldn't find an adjective to properly convey his signature voice. I love everything Benjamin does but his characters do tend to be various shades of not terribly bright/lazy.
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Jul 3, 2022 14:36
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Edna Mode posted:Little late, but I do have to say movie Pussy Galore is an improvement over the book version who is a lesbian until James changes her mind through the power of his penis. It's not. James Bond rapes her and she falls in love with him.
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Jul 3, 2022 15:06
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Alhazred posted:It's not. James Bond rapes her and she falls in love with him. Yeah, they just made it less obvious, but stroooooonggggllllyyyy hinted she is a lesbian by the standards of what they can get away with at that time, and he still obviously forces her to have sex "till she likes it." And then watch Catch Me If You Can which accurately illustrates how teens and young men of the time started idolizing James Bond after that movie. I think it might have actually caused a lot of issues.
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Jul 4, 2022 02:58
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AceOfFlames posted:Yeah maybe "dopey" was too harsh. I just couldn't find an adjective to properly convey his signature voice. I love everything Benjamin does but his characters do tend to be various shades of not terribly bright/lazy. That's fair, there's a certain distinct cadence to it. I think the key thing is it works well for characters who aren't stupid necessarily, but all the more hilarious when they do and say stupid things. The Master in Venture Bros comes to mind as a character who's entire competent and powerful, but also a huge troll.
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Jul 4, 2022 12:17
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