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Doesn't Persona 5 also open with hours of plot about a teacher harassing high school girls and making them keep quiet about it to the point where one tries to jump off the building or something? It's been a while since I tried *the greatest masterpiece* but maybe she just tries to kill herself some other way. He beats up a few male students or something, so it's okay, I guess.
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Honestly can't think of any messages in P5 that go beyond "it's bad when people are bad", with the solution being asking politely and collecting signatures.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:37
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Augus posted:*ours Thank you.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:38
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Hrist posted:Doesn't Persona 5 also open with hours of plot about a teacher harassing high school girls and making them keep quiet about it to the point where one tries to jump off the building or something? It's been a while since I tried *the greatest masterpiece* but maybe she just tries to kill herself some other way. He beats up a few male students or something, so it's okay, I guess. Tbh the opening chapter about taking down the gym teacher is probably the best part of the game other than the extra closing chapters in the rerelease, and the character writing notably declines with everyone becoming less well defined afterwards
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Jun 29, 2022 19:38
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Hrist posted:Doesn't Persona 5 also open with hours of plot about a teacher harassing high school girls and making them keep quiet about it to the point where one tries to jump off the building or something? It's been a while since I tried *the greatest masterpiece* but maybe she just tries to kill herself some other way. He beats up a few male students or something, so it's okay, I guess. I mean yeah but the point is he's a bad guy and the entire plot kicks off because they want to stop him.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:40
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Hrist posted:Doesn't Persona 5 also open with hours of plot about a teacher harassing high school girls and making them keep quiet about it to the point where one tries to jump off the building or something? It's been a while since I tried *the greatest masterpiece* but maybe she just tries to kill herself some other way. He beats up a few male students or something, so it's okay, I guess. Why are you saying that like it’s a bad thing. That might be legit the only good writing I saw in persona 5
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Jun 29, 2022 19:40
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Hrist posted:Doesn't Persona 5 also open with hours of plot about a teacher harassing high school girls and making them keep quiet about it to the point where one tries to jump off the building or something? It's been a while since I tried *the greatest masterpiece* but maybe she just tries to kill herself some other way. He beats up a few male students or something, so it's okay, I guess. Are you aware that character is the first main villain and the party's first target? Did you think he's the good guy or something?
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Jun 29, 2022 19:41
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Yeah, anime has had plenty of issues with "sexual harassment/borderline assault is just light-hearted and FUNNY, dude!", but I don't think P5's predatory teacher plotline fits in to that.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:41
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Tbh the opening chapter about taking down the gym teacher is probably the best part of the game other than the extra closing chapters in the rerelease, and the character writing notably declines with everyone becoming less well defined afterwards There are a few really solid moments afterward but as a whole yeah I agree the quality slowly declines until the hot mess of an ending.
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DC Murderverse posted:Mario + Rabbids 2 really makes that first game look like a prototype for what they actually wanted to make, it just looks more complete and more unique and the battle system is incredibly intriguing. I know there are people out there who won’t give it a second look because of the Rabbids but I get the feeling it’s going to be pretty great yeah I just saw the showcase and god drat. I have serious issues with loving protominions though, I really hate that specific type of product
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Jun 29, 2022 19:42
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Honestly the bigger issue is persona 5 starts with teacher harassment then let’s you date a teacher later which undermines the arc very hard
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Jun 29, 2022 19:43
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also once again I really liked the bonus chapters on the rerelease and the spinoff musou which the homophobia guy wasn't involved in so hopefully the games will actually be well written in the future lol
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Jun 29, 2022 19:43
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Feels Villeneuve posted:also once again I really liked the bonus chapters on the rerelease and the spinoff musou which the homophobia guy wasn't involved in so hopefully the games will actually be well written in the future lol I'm really interested in what P6 ends up looking like without that shithead in charge of the writing. Gonna have to wait like a decade for it though, and then another decade for it to get a PC/Nintendo port.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:44
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The Shortest Path posted:The big difference between the two imo is that P4 and P5 have actually good messages and character writing outside of a handful of places where the writing just decides to suck rear end because the guy in charge is a piece of poo poo bigot, whereas Xenoblade 2 just sucks rear end across the board and is ridiculously, in-your-face horny to boot. Other than the designs of the female characters, what was wrong with Xenoblade 2?
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Jun 29, 2022 19:45
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Persona 5 is good for much the same reason as Fire Emblem Three Houses: it's basically all about the characters and being a really fun game to hang out with, while the plot could be charitably called a mess. At least until the extra Royal chapter, that's legit good and yeah I'm looking forward to Persona 6 hopefully being more like that and Strikers. (although I think it's better than FE3H because it also represents a really good example of its series' core gameplay, while FE3H has... issues there)
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Hrist posted:Doesn't Persona 5 also open with hours of plot about a teacher harassing high school girls and making them keep quiet about it to the point where one tries to jump off the building or something? It's been a while since I tried *the greatest masterpiece* but maybe she just tries to kill herself some other way. He beats up a few male students or something, so it's okay, I guess. it's not "okay", an entire portion of the game is dedicated to hunting him down and kicking his rear end lol the reason why people express disappointment with Persona 5's writing is because it starts out strong dealing with a very real and serious topic with a surprising level of depth and moral clarity but then it can't maintain that for the whole game and keeps undermining its own message
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Jun 29, 2022 19:48
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Hrist's post seems like an example of goon discourse about anything with problematic elements. Sometimes those things get emphasized to such a huge degree that someone who only learns about that media through goon posts could come away thinking it's just wall-to-wall maximum awfulness with nothing else in between.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:49
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Hrist posted:Doesn't Persona 5 also open with hours of plot about a teacher harassing high school girls and making them keep quiet about it to the point where one tries to jump off the building or something? It's been a while since I tried *the greatest masterpiece* but maybe she just tries to kill herself some other way. He beats up a few male students or something, so it's okay, I guess. lmao
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Jun 29, 2022 19:50
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can’t believe the bad guy did bad stuff
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tbh the dumbest thing was how many reviews praised the writing (in fairness the opening act is real good) when basically everyone I know who likes the game constantly shits on the story lol Also the English version tried to tone down some of the bad homophobic poo poo (which I have mixed feelings about) but it's still a dumb stupid gag
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Morter posted:I have no real care for fighting games but I loved Pocket Fighter as a wee lad. Someone stop me from dropping It's also coming to Capcom Arcade 2nd Stadium in late July and can be had for a few monies ala carte, so long as you only want local play and don't care about all the bells and whistles*. *I have no idea if the Fighting Collection has online play or what those extra bells and/or whistles entail. Tempura Wizard fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Feels Villeneuve posted:tbh the dumbest thing was how many reviews praised the writing (in fairness the opening act is real good) when basically everyone I know who likes the game constantly shits on the story lol Yeah Royal's English version changed the two scenes with the gay guys harassing Ryuji to them trying to pressure him to to drag, which is... I mean it's better but it's still homophobic, just less violently so I guess? I dunno, it's hard to talk about Persona 5 because it's a game I really love while also acknowledging its bad parts, and the way the game is discussed here makes me feel like I have to repeatedly and vocally acknowledge those bad parts or people will think I think they're good.
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It's more that like, I get why they did it but if a writer's being a homophobic poo poo I don't think it's the job of the translators to cover that up I swear p4/p5 being so visible were almost solely responsible for reams of bad "well the Japanese are just homophobic" posts when no, it's specifically the writer of those games lol
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Whoa, hey now. Don't forget the Dragon Quest composer.
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Yeah it's just Katsura Hashino. If you see his name on something you can be sure there'll be at least one scene that will make homophobic and/or transphobic "jokes." Guaranteed. There's a transphobic scene in Persona 3, Yosuke's homophobia (at Kanji's expense) in Persona 4, and then the gay guys harassing Ryuji in Persona 5. They all feel like scenes that could come out of bad '90s sitcoms. I'm so curious what Persona 6 is going to look like now that he's out. It makes me wonder if there'll be other major changes to the series, too. Harrow fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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TBH bringing up the homophonic stuff is fine just as a kind of warning so new people aren’t like blindsided by it but it does kind of feel like it’s that onion thing with John Lennon at times which is kind of weird
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Yeah instead of such a long game, they should have just kept persona 5 to maybe four to five good story arcs instead of eight increasingly stupid and infantile plot lines. I have to agree that the 1st arc is incredibly strong possibly some of the best writing in megaten, along with the whole prisoner themes, I thought we were really dealing with a well honed darker storyline dealing w some real hosed up societal poo poo. Adults constantly groom teenagers and abuse their authority. People look away, people make excuses for them, people protect predators all the time That's just the reality of this world and the way the first episode engages with this feels deliberate and smart.. the way admin and other adults and other teachers/students INCLUDING VICTIMS cluster protectively around Kamoshida and turn on the protagonists.....good poo poo man Then the rest of the game just sucks. Story-wise anyways, mechanically it's still a good time through the end
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Persona 5 has an absolutely electric opening act powered by what feels like real outrage at sexual predators and other systemic injustice that's only slightly undercut by the game inviting you to leer at Ann's catsuit. Then it proceeds to spend dozens of hours saying nothing of substance, reveling in homophobic and sexist tropes and humor, and turning every character into extreme exaggerations of their most obnoxious qualities. Royal has a really good postscript but it also doesn't have anything real to say about the world, it's just got better character writing than the middle 6/7ths. The phantom thieves should have been antifa communists is what I'm saying.
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CharlestheHammer posted:TBH bringing up the homophonic stuff is fine just as a kind of warning so new people aren’t like blindsided by it but it does kind of feel like it’s that onion thing with John Lennon at times which is kind of weird lol yeah that's a good way to put it It's a good content warning to give people but I also feel like whenever the game is discussed people rush to go "isn't that the game where..."
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Moreso than Yosuke being an idiot in P4, the use of the overweight girl as a frequent punchline is something that really irks me, because it's implied that the audience should be laughing at her. I always felt that with Yosuke it's just an ignorant dumbass and the joke is that he is an ignorant dumbass, but with the overweight girl it's the writers pointing at her and saying 'haha she's fat and broke a moped isn't that hilarious!' and looking at the players waiting for them to laugh too. Edit: Yosuke parts are still bad Morpheus fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Basically P5 is a game that looks like it is going to have leftist and anti-authoritarian themes but it's actually just written by a bunch of libs.
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Well that certainly is a take
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Side note about Persona 4, the anime adaptation is legitimately pretty good. That's not the case for Persona 5, or the Persona 4 Golden anime, but the normal Persona 4 anime is a good time. If you're curious about its story but you'd rather watch like 22 half-hour episodes than play an 80-hour game, it's a good option. Also the dub is the better choice, just trust me on this, nobody deserves to hear Japanese Teddie.
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i feel bad for hijacking this thread now lol
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it happens every time It's the whole reason I made a Persona thread last year, if it comes up in any other thread it just derails for pages, apologies to everyone for continuing it
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SMT better
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let's talk about the portal collection and how i'm going to buy portal 2 for the third time
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DQ11 is the only good JRPG
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DQ11 owns, so does Portal 2
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