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The fact that the national DNC has been encouraging state level parties to spend tens of millions of dollars of campaign funds on and in support of *the most fascist MAGA candidate* in the hopes that the candidate wins their primary is reason enough to hate these assholes. It's so stupid. Utterly contemptuous.
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Tiny Timbs posted:No of course he’s not going to honor that. The man himself has established the precedent that he will not honor these types of deals. Yeah, he couldn't even keep his word about being done with Trump and wanting the Impeachment and removal. Granted I was reading through the 1/2001 CE thread (and it's really interesting to see how things changed over time) and saw a mention of one GOP member proposing a censure and barring of Trump holding any federal office again, a part of me is wondering if that's what should have been done.
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Jun 29, 2022 23:54
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Can we at least tar and feather Aaron Sorkin for this? I'm sure he's cooking up his next ~Opiate for the Liberal Masses~ show idea.
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Jun 29, 2022 23:54
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm sure he's cooking up his next ~Opiate for the Liberal Masses~ show idea. Are you sure he's not just cooking up opioids?
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Jun 29, 2022 23:55
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Granted I was reading through the 1/2001 CE thread (and it's really interesting to see how things changed over time) and saw a mention of one GOP member proposing a censure and barring of Trump holding any federal office again, a part of me is wondering if that's what should have been done. Eh, medium wishcasting on this bit. Censure is just an official "you were bad" shame session and Donnie doesn't have any. Barring future federal office is impeachment. The House reported out the impeachment of Donnie on January 13th and only 10 Republicans voted for it. The Senate wasn't even available through the 19th. Any "they should've impeached sooner" was essentially impossible. There was likely some form of deal where Donnie told Republican Leadership that he would shut the gently caress up for two weeks and leave quietly, or else the Republicans get behind a 25th action. That was enough to pacify the Republicans and then they got the polling back that said their primary voters blamed antifa.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:04
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facialimpediment posted:Eh, medium wishcasting on this bit. Censure is just an official "you were bad" shame session and Donnie doesn't have any. Barring future federal office is impeachment. The House reported out the impeachment of Donnie on January 13th and only 10 Republicans voted for it. The Senate wasn't even available through the 19th. Any "they should've impeached sooner" was essentially impossible. While I'd prefer the impeachment and removal and prohibition, letting him off with a censure and barring him with have been okay for me. Granted it didn't happen, so it doesn't really matter. I'm still pissed they didn't vote on impeachment same day and then send it to the Senate, that whole Senate in recess poo poo was infuriating (and also clearly deliberate by Mitch to slow things down).
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Jun 30, 2022 00:08
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Are you sure he's not just cooking up opioids? Why pop pills when you can get high sniffing your own farts?
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Jun 30, 2022 00:08
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Why pop pills when you can get high sniffing your own farts? Well and I guess with him the farts would be full of blow.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:12
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facialimpediment posted:I have something for you! Is trusting a McConnell promise sufficient to invoke the 25th Amendment?
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Jun 30, 2022 00:15
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Stultus Maximus posted:Is trusting a McConnell promise sufficient to invoke the 25th Amendment? "It's Kamala's turn!" isn't a headline I want to read.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:16
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Stultus Maximus posted:Is trusting a McConnell promise sufficient to invoke the 25th Amendment? Quick someone photoshop Biden's head onto Charlie Brown trying to kick McConnel's Lucy's football. Cause, goddamn.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:17
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B-b-but they were in the senate together! Joe can get things done! He knows how to "deal" with republicans! By giving them everything they want and getting nothing in return.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:19
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Marshal Prolapse posted:While I'd prefer the impeachment and removal and prohibition, letting him off with a censure and barring him with have been okay for me. No no, let me rephrase. There is no such thing as "and barring him" with a censure. The only mechanism that bars someone from federal service is impeachment and conviction. That's it! Censure doesn't actually do anything! At all! A censure is a "formal statement of disapproval" aaaaand - that's it! That's why that one Republican GOP member spoke up and was shouted down because he was being an even bigger weenie than literally everyone else. You're right about same-day impeachment though. And here's the latest off-record reason why Donnie couldn't have grabbed the steering wheel: Secret Service Agent says Donnie fat https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1542272059937546243
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Jun 30, 2022 00:22
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facialimpediment posted:No no, let me rephrase. There is no such thing as "and barring him" with a censure. The only mechanism that bars someone from federal service is impeachment and conviction. That's it! Censure doesn't actually do anything! At all! No, I understand that the censure would have no legal effect, but I think their was some way to bar a person from office without removal. I'm not sure what it was, but I recall it being mentioned separately. Yeah, I think same day impeachment might have worked. I mean what's the minimum the Senate has to do? I mean they get to set their own rules (barring certain things like the 2/3 for removal, but couldn't they decide, both sides get 15 minutes (and perhaps try and goad Trump into coming down and digging the hole deeper) and then we vote? Also  Trump is too loving fat to have done this your honor. He is however of the right physical condition and mental stamina to be a Russian general on the other hand.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:25
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At this point I’m less mad at Republicans than I am the Democrats. The Republicans, for as vile and loathsome as I find their ideology, agenda and methods, had very clear goals and worked a multi-decade plan to get there. I’m pissed at the Democrats for basically acting like a party of permanent opposition even when they nominally control the executive and legislative branches of government. The loving gall of the Democratic leadership to seemingly just capitulate on every hosed up thing the Republicans do on account of  , knowing that Pelosi/Schumer/Biden et al can wrap themselves in the privilege of not being alive to see the consequences of their inaction. I’m done being a Democrat. I’ll vote for individual candidates if their platforms align with my interests but I’m going to change my party affiliation to independent and never give a dime to these ghouls who have enriched themselves by gaslighting their own voters.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:"It's Kamala's turn!" isn't a headline I want to read. The worst part of that Dana Bash interview with Kamala isn't the "do what now" quip, even though you couldn't ask for a better soundbite for 2024, it's the complete *disinterest and divestment* evident in her body language and voice. She doesn't give a gently caress, at all, about anyone. This administration has thrown her under the bus and completely destroyed what little credibility she'd built for herself in exchange for being "the closest a woman's ever gotten to the presidency," and she knows nothing "grand" awaits her after this (because we all know Biden's one of those "I don't care what the polls say, ~I~ know I'm killin' it" guys), so *gently caress everyone else*, including other women. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jun 30, 2022 |
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Jun 30, 2022 00:28
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A Bad King posted:The fact that the national DNC has been encouraging state level parties to spend tens of millions of dollars of campaign funds on and in support of *the most fascist MAGA candidate* in the hopes that the candidate wins their primary is reason enough to hate these assholes.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:30
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The worst part of that Dana Bash interview isn't the "do what now" quote, even though you couldn't ask for a better soundbite for 2024, it's the complete *disinterest* evident in her voice. She doesn't give a gently caress, at all, about anyone. "Ensuring Kamala isn't President" almost sounds like something that Biden could campaign on.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:30
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Cugel the Clever posted:I've not heard of this. Do you have a reference? Here’s one example https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/darren-bailey-illinois-governor-republican-primary-1375929/
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Jun 30, 2022 00:31
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fknlo posted:Same. I'm pretty much done. I'm going to be moving to rural Missouri anyway so there's really no point in engaging any more. Where in Rural Missouri are you moving to? I’m very familiar with the state.
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Jun 30, 2022 00:48
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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/MalloryMcMorrow/status/1542162557322104833 I don't know what the root cause is, perhaps the belief in the power of a strong central government, but Democratic and the general swath of what passes for "left" in America has long had the "Green Lantern President" problem. Constant focus on the Presidency, ignoring downballot races, not voting in local and state elections, the seeming belief that if you get the White House, you can get everything you want. Republicans, with their long standing "states rights" rallying cry, have been slowly and methodically gaining control of most of the states, in preparation for their opportunity to break federal power and give political power to the states which they control. Democrats, and most of the American "left" are about to lose liberal democracy in America because they fundamentally failed to understand how American political power works for the last 60 years.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I don't know what the root cause is, perhaps the belief in the power of a strong central government, but Democratic and the general swath of what passes for "left" in America has long had the "Green Lantern President" problem. Constant focus on the Presidency, ignoring downballot races, not voting in local and state elections, the seeming belief that if you get the White House, you can get everything you want. The DNC cares about occasionally winning the presidency because it's really good for fundraising to have the president or vice president show up at events. They clearly don't care to stay in power long enough to be actually forced to fix things that they habitually raise funds towards claiming they're passionate about fixing/protecting said things. A Democrat hasn't succeeded a Democrat via the electoral process since FDR > Truman. I'm betting that the GOP has regretted legislating for and winning Presidential term limits.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Where in Rural Missouri are you moving to? I’m very familiar with the state. Central Missouri. Warrensburg vicinity. I went to college out there and am going to end up marrying a girl I met way back then that still lives out there. I never thought I'd move back but love makes you do things.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The DNC cares about occasionally winning the presidency because it's really good for fundraising to have the president or vice president show up at events. They clearly don't care to stay in power long enough to be actually forced to fix things that they habitually raise funds towards claiming they're passionate about fixing/protecting said things. Precisely one Republican has succeeded a Republican (Reagan to Bush I), and the 22nd didn't matter in that case because Regan's brain was mush. This argument is nonsensical.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Precisely one Republican has succeeded a Republican (Reagan to Bush I), and the 22nd didn't matter in that case because Regan's brain was mush. This argument is nonsensical. It also leaves out how the Dixiecrats hosed right off to the GOP further complicating the already stupid argument.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Precisely one Republican has succeeded a Republican (Reagan to Bush I), and the 22nd didn't matter in that case because Regan's brain was mush. This argument is nonsensical. No it isn't. Let me reword my point. The Democrats care about winning the presidency. They very clearly don't care about *keeping* it.
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fknlo posted:Central Missouri. Warrensburg vicinity. I went to college out there and am going to end up marrying a girl I met way back then that still lives out there. I never thought I'd move back but love makes you do things. Goongrats. Hope everything goes smoothly.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:No it isn't. Let me reword my point. By this logic Republicans don't care about keeping the Presidency either, and both parties have been playing hot potato for the better part of the last century over an office neither of them cares about. This is stupid.
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Money cares about the presidency. Politicians care about money (and not a goddamn thing else).
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Acebuckeye13 posted:By this logic Republicans don't care about keeping the Presidency either, and both parties have been playing hot potato for the better part of the last century over an office neither of them cares about. This is stupid. Why should they care about keeping it if they know they're going to get it back, and now know they can legislate their agenda through the Court? I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you.
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Truman didn't succeede FDR through the electoral process my man.
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BUG JUG posted:Truman didn't succeede FDR through the electoral process my man. Truman won his own campaign in 1948. It was still the last time the Democratic Party held the White House for an uninterrupted 16 year period.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Truman won his own campaign in 1948. It was still the last time the Democratic Party held the White House for an uninterrupted 16 year period. Funny enough from my understanding (footnote in a history textbook) the 25th wouldn’t have even applied to Truman.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Truman won his own campaign in 1948. It was still the last time the Democratic Party held the White House for an uninterrupted 16 year period. Uh, that’s mostly due to Roosevelt winning 4 terms? This is all a dumb argument. You can blame Democrats on strategy/tactics but you can’t blame them for the fact that an entire mainstream political party radicalized and insulated itself from reality in order to affect sweeping unpopular changes via the total corruption and misuse of several branches of government over 50 years.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I don't know what the root cause is, perhaps the belief in the power of a strong central government, but Democratic and the general swath of what passes for "left" in America has long had the "Green Lantern President" problem. Constant focus on the Presidency, ignoring downballot races, not voting in local and state elections, the seeming belief that if you get the White House, you can get everything you want. Lower level even than that. The push started down at the city council and school board levels and gnawed away at every level from there. Arrath fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jun 30, 2022 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Truman won his own campaign in 1948. It was still the last time the Democratic Party held the White House for an uninterrupted 16 year period. Yes, but FDR had to die first in this chain of events. Truman wasn't elected President until he'd been President for three years. The distinction is, somewhat, important. I get what you are trying to say: the democrats have not had two consecutive elected presidents since Truman won in 1948, but...how much of that is an aftereffect of Truman having been in charge for three years prior? Does the election look different if FDR dies in '43? Or lives out his term to retire in '48? Maybe! Difficult to say. The example you are looking for -- the last time a Democrat succeeded a Democrat electorally -- is Franklin Pierce to James Buchanan. Which.....lol.
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Nevada ballot may see open primary, ranked voting initiativequote:An initiative offering Nevada voters open party primaries and ranked-choice voting appears headed for the November ballot, while the state Supreme Court turned down a case that could have put a constitutional amendment about a school vouchers program before the voters. lesser of two evils against measure that would allow people to pick beyond lesser of two evils, film at eleven
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Truman won his own campaign in 1948. It was still the last time the Democratic Party held the White House for an uninterrupted 16 year period. What? JFK came after Ike
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Milo and POTUS posted:What? JFK came after Ike Eisenhower was a Republican.
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Here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States May Sasquatch guide your browser to the answers of your questions.
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