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Karloff posted:He may have intended it as a satire. I don't know the inside of his brain. But if that's the case, in my opinion he failed. He made a far more effective bit of propaganda than he did a satire. I'm going to be honest, my own take is that I don't think Snyder really thought about the propaganda or ideological aspects of the film. Most of the fascist themes were inherited from the original source material (It was a Frank Miller comic released post-9/11, after all...) and Snyder didn't really pay direct attention to the underlying ideology and sort of inadvertently heightened it because he's really good at filming cool scenes of big strong men doing violence to each other in slow motion. My own assessment of Snyder's body of work is that there are definite authoritarian themes that run throughout his films, but I don't think they're there as a reflection of Snyder's own ideology. He seems to really like stories about big, masculine men standing against a faceless horde of enemies, which is a concept that comes up a lot in fascist and authoritarian mythology but is included in Snyder's work not because of its fascist association but because Snyder thinks big manly men fighting through hordes of bad men is neat. He legitimately strikes me as that mythical, hypothetical person who just thinks the spectacle of this sort of ideology is neat while being completely ignorant of the broader political implications associated with their use...
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Jul 1, 2022 17:28
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The this is Sparta meme was pretty fun.
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Jul 1, 2022 17:30
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KingKalamari posted:(It was a Frank Miller comic released post-9/11, after all...)
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Jul 1, 2022 17:32
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Terrible Opinions posted:This actually isn't true 300 was written in 1998. Holy Terror and bad The Dark Knight Returns sequel were his post 9/11 ones Oh dang, you're right...I guess the east vs west themes just seemed so blatant to me that I assumed it had to have been released after Miller went full mask off post-9/11. I guess it just goes to show that 9/11 didn't make Miller go crazy, it was just an excuse for him to fully reveal his underlying craziness to the world!
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Jul 1, 2022 17:34
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KingKalamari posted:I'm going to be honest, my own take is that I don't think Snyder really thought about the propaganda or ideological aspects of the film. This runs directly against the things Snyder has said about the film fwiw.
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Jul 1, 2022 17:39
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“Is this satire?” and the secondary “Does this thing get a pass because it’s satire?” are easily the most unbearable intractable arguments on the internet. Might as well go full nuclear with this and start an Attack on Titan or Kill La Kill debate if it’s going down that route.
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Jul 1, 2022 17:39
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I was really enjoying the attack on titan anime but then once the Manga ending came out it completely killed my desire to watch it lol
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Jul 1, 2022 17:42
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Snyders pretzels aren't as good as Herr's imo
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Jul 1, 2022 17:44
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MacheteZombie posted:This runs directly against the things Snyder has said about the film fwiw. i think he is doing an artists trick: bullshitting
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Jul 1, 2022 17:45
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Attack on Titan's manga ending made me laugh when I was reading the impression in the manga thread. Holy moly what a wreck. Glad I stopped watching at season 3. Perfect ending right there.
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Jul 1, 2022 17:46
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i've watched a lot of movies
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Jul 1, 2022 17:46
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Fresh pretzels are the only good pretzel
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Jul 1, 2022 17:47
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fun hater posted:i think he is doing an artists trick: bullshitting k
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Jul 1, 2022 17:48
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I hope the Robert Eggers miniseries about Rasputin actually gets made. Both because I like his stuff, and for the bad takes it's likely to generate.
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Jul 1, 2022 17:49
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MacheteZombie posted:I was really enjoying the attack on titan anime but then once the Manga ending came out it completely killed my desire to watch it lol The only good AoT media were the video games which are basically Dynasty Warriors meets Spider-man with your own OC. Still about as fascist as the average Call of Duty game though.
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Jul 1, 2022 17:50
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MacheteZombie posted:This runs directly against the things Snyder has said about the film fwiw. I mean, in all the contemporary interviews I could find surrounding the films release, Snyder's response to questions about the ideology of the film as it related to the at the time current political climate were "That's an interesting reading, I was just trying to make a cool-looking movie". Like I think this interview is pretty illustrative: quote:WN: In the film, a tiny bunch of European freedom fighters hold off a huge army of Iranian slaves. Everyone is sure to be translating this into contemporary politics. Again, I think he just likes when big manly dudes fight each other.
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Jul 1, 2022 17:50
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MacheteZombie posted:Fresh pretzels are the only good pretzel  but there's a pizza place that has bavarian pretzels that are alright (but might just be the same that get sold at baseball stadiums for all i know)16-bit Butt-Head posted:i've watched a lot of movies
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Jul 1, 2022 17:51
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The 7th Guest posted:actual big-rear end fresh pretzels are of course s-tier. there's no pretzel shop here Theres a German bar near me I used to go before covid that makes incredible pretzels, the good poo poo right there.
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Jul 1, 2022 17:53
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MacheteZombie posted:This runs directly against the things Snyder has said about the film fwiw. What he said runs directly against the things that are in the film though, because again it's largely an unchanged adaptation of the work where it is in fact, not thinking about the propaganda aspect of it at all and is playing it as straight as possible. I mean the parts of the film that aren't part of the narrator's story to the council, the parts with Leonidas's wife and the traitor councilman, are just as heightened and fascistic as the rest of the film. Of course then you have to contend with the fact that his retelling to the council them blends into a second separate retelling to his army because it's a story written by one of the dumbest men to ever live so you have a framing device in a framing device but given how it shows him speaking in both time frames it's framed as a retelling and not just him saying "And then I told this story to the council". If you reaaaaally wanna give Miller more credit than he's ever deserved as a writer you can maybe ignore the first framing device and say "Actually only that last one is real." to try and make this satire but it's just that last 30 seconds of the film/2 pages of the comic you have to hold on to to try and say Miller was clumsily trying to pull a Verhoeven.
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Jul 1, 2022 18:04
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Nothing on screen in any of Snyder's films would lead me to believe 300 is a satire
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Jul 1, 2022 18:14
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The 7th Guest posted:that can't be true, this thread has taught me that there are only ten movies there are 12 friday the 13th movies
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Jul 1, 2022 18:19
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:there are 12 friday the 13th movies The worst fate for the franchise
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Jul 1, 2022 18:23
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Mrs. Voorhees lifts.
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Jul 1, 2022 18:25
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I feel like the Snyder Defense Crew are always assuming that the argument is "Snyder films have fascist themes, and therefore Snyder is a secret fascist and also you are a bad person who is also a secret fascist if you like them," when to me the argument has always seemed to be "Snyder films have fascist themes, and a lot of fascists seem to like them. That's it." Like, it's possible to have themes accidentally show up in your work just because it's influenced by the stuff surrounding you in your culture. For example, Neon Genesis Evangelion has a lot of themes around religion and Christianity, which were never intended by the creators, who were just using Christian imagery the same way everyone else in Japan does: "Whoa, look at this spooky foreign mystical stuff! Pretty spooky and mystical, huh?" This doesn't change the fact that the themes are there and can attract people who are into those themes, and lead those people to interpret the work entirely differently from how the creators intended. That's how art works. IDK why I'm typing all this, since it's not going to make anyone stop this tedious argument. I've never even watched a Snyder flick so my only dog in this race is "please stop you're just saying the same things over and over."
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Jul 1, 2022 18:33
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i was just thinking about how the last jedi was alright. anyone hear of this flick? there's some space battles and shenanigans on a casino planet. pretty fun movie! may include that in a 'hidden gems' list
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Jul 1, 2022 18:38
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I am outraged by the various kitchen appliances American either have or lack.
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Jul 1, 2022 18:45
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Puppy Time posted:
Not quite true. Evangelion has Christian (and Jewish, per Kabbala) imagery because it's aping the aesthetics of Ultraman. Hence Anno making Shin Ultraman. Ultraman has Christian imagery because Eiji Tsubaraya was catholic. Ultraman descends from the heavens and becomes one with a human in order to deliver humanity from sin, before getting crucified on Planet Golgatha.
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Jul 1, 2022 18:49
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The 7th Guest posted:i was just thinking about how the last jedi was alright. anyone hear of this flick? there's some space battles and shenanigans on a casino planet. pretty fun movie! may include that in a 'hidden gems' list Holdo was a bad character
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Jul 1, 2022 18:49
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Like, this isn't a joke. 
DoctorWhat fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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Jul 1, 2022 18:51
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ultraman kicks rear end
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Jul 1, 2022 18:53
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The 7th Guest posted:Snyders pretzels aren't as good as Herr's imo utz or go the gently caress home.
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Jul 1, 2022 18:53
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Famethrowa posted:utz or go the gently caress home. now everyone watch Air: What If There Was None https://tubitv.com/movies/436703/air
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Jul 1, 2022 19:03
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DoctorWhat posted:Like, this isn't a joke. Ooo, looks like someone got some secret leaks of The Church of the Rock's 2023 Easter play!
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Jul 1, 2022 19:07
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DoctorWhat posted:Not quite true. Evangelion has Christian (and Jewish, per Kabbala) imagery because it's aping the aesthetics of Ultraman. Hence Anno making Shin Ultraman. Trigun has some Christian themes also because Nightow is Catholic, at least at the time.
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Jul 1, 2022 19:29
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DoctorWhat posted:Like, this isn't a joke. https://twitter.com/sailormoonooc/status/1457171091626070016 Was that what this shot in Sailor Moon was referring to?
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Jul 1, 2022 19:29
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Hack american film makers: We'll have him stand in front of a stained glass picture of christ and make him T-pose once to get our "Hero is Christ" imagery in there. Skillful japanese tokusatsu director: Literally crucify them.
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Jul 1, 2022 19:43
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 Chuchu died for our sins people. .. Also these pretzels are making me thirsty.
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Jul 1, 2022 19:44
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Still making my way through the 4 hour Noah Caldwell-Gervais video on Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring btw and I strongly disagree with his reading on some themes/horror elements in the Bloodborne, but it's nerdy and I will not divulge further here. Watch at your own risk, or you can read my play by play on the Goons with Spoons discord server.
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Jul 1, 2022 20:03
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The 7th Guest posted:utz pretzel rods are fine their honey wheat twists are top tier
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Jul 1, 2022 20:05
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Famethrowa posted:their honey wheat twists are top tier KingKalamari posted:Ooo, looks like someone got some secret leaks of The Church of the Rock's 2023 Easter play!
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Jul 1, 2022 20:09
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