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Agent355 posted:Have they checked to make sure light arrows aren't behind 50 skulltulas or somethign dumb like that. Their settings cut off actual Skulltula rewards at 20 and Spike got that and found nothing.
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Jul 2, 2022 01:33
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SeXReX posted:The real problem is the gdq audience needs like, a little bit of Rando sprinkled into the blunt to get the party going but all the Rando players have such a tolerance they need to slam face first into mountains of bullshit on the table like Scarface just to feel anything. Its true
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Jul 2, 2022 01:34
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"I deserve this." "NO! NOOOOO!" 
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Jul 2, 2022 01:34
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Agent355 posted:Have they checked to make sure light arrows aren't behind 50 skulltulas or somethign dumb like that. For the GDQ seed only 10 and 20 skulls are on for items. The usual play for ZOOTR in a seed where trials are off are to open up Ganon's Castle and then rush to his fight because he'll tell yu ou what region they're in, and you can then go find them.
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Jul 2, 2022 01:36
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Is that a mod thing? I don't remember Ganon straight up telling you how to fight him in the normal game
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Jul 2, 2022 01:37
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Flesnolk posted:Is that a mod thing? I don't remember Ganon straight up telling you how to fight him in the normal game Yeah, they modded Ganon to give a hint for it (along with making so you can read all the gossip stones without the mask of truth) which comprise the games hint system
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Jul 2, 2022 01:39
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Flesnolk posted:Is that a mod thing? I don't remember Ganon straight up telling you how to fight him in the normal game It is yeah, since the lights are in his tower normally. I think on the way up the stairs?
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Jul 2, 2022 01:39
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SeXReX posted:The real problem is the gdq audience needs like, a little bit of Rando sprinkled into the blunt to get the party going but all the Rando players have such a tolerance they need to slam face first into mountains of bullshit on the table like Scarface just to feel anything. The evolution randomizer was super good because it's ultimately just a stat randomizer but still just random enough to make the strategy change.
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Jul 2, 2022 01:40
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IcePhoenix posted:It is yeah, since the lights are in his tower normally. I think on the way up the stairs? nah light arrows are given to you in the temple of time when you get the shadow and spirit medallions the chest along the way is the boss key to Ganons room
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Jul 2, 2022 01:40
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AARD VARKMAN posted:The evolution randomizer was super good because it's ultimately just a stat randomizer but still just random enough to make the strategy change. Yeah that was a good pokemon run to watch and the couch had good chemistry. Randomizers need to be comprehensible enough that viewers can get excited when a good thing happens/is found, because thats the real appeal.
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Jul 2, 2022 01:42
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AARD VARKMAN posted:The evolution randomizer was super good because it's ultimately just a stat randomizer but still just random enough to make the strategy change. Pokemon Rando also has the benefit that, afaik, people don't generally use settings that hide badges on the invisible items or behind generic trainers.
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Jul 2, 2022 01:42
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Agent355 posted:Yeah that was a good pokemon run to watch and the couch had good chemistry. The evo run was my favorite RPG/strategy focused run in a long time because 4 people just cooperatively figuring out what the best thing to do next is is awesome. I dunno if there are other similarly cooperative runs from the past but I'd love to see more like that
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Jul 2, 2022 01:44
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Agent355 posted:What I want to know is what items we're really looking for, starting backwards. Yeah, that's the key to randomizers and some people are a lot better at conveying it than others. Also depends on the game. I've always found OoT a bit more difficult to parse in that respect than the 2D zelda randomizers.
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Jul 2, 2022 01:44
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SeXReX posted:Pokemon Rando also has the benefit that, afaik, people don't generally use settings that hide badges on the invisible items or behind generic trainers. Let me tell you about Pokemon Crystal: Full Item Randomizer.
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Jul 2, 2022 01:44
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Alternate way to enjoy a good randomizer: Crowd Control
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Jul 2, 2022 01:46
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Bruceski posted:Yeah, that's the key to randomizers and some people are a lot better at conveying it than others. Also depends on the game. I've always found OoT a bit more difficult to parse in that respect than the 2D zelda randomizers. OOT is probably harder to parse unless you really have a guide to logic because theres some really obscure antisoftlock logic that sometimes gets triggered and screws hints up (I'm looking at you paradox letter) It does have a lot nicer movement tech though and the ability to do a lot more sequence breaks LTTP probably has easier to piece together logic but like you're not going to really do any major sequence breaks in it in most normal settings.
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Jul 2, 2022 01:48
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Agent355 posted:What I want to know is what items we're really looking for, starting backwards. I think this could be a really cool gdq run category, even for us non OoT players, with a comprehensive overlay of game stuff
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Jul 2, 2022 01:51
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AARD VARKMAN posted:I think this could be a really cool gdq run category, even for us non OoT players, with a comprehensive overlay of game stuff Nukes had been basically running like a biweekly intro to OOT rando stuff on the GDQ channel for the last few months They might still be archived. Or like pop into a weekly, theres nothing more than ZOOTR race chat does is love other than Like last week where there was the first logical hookshot on 50 skulltulas but you could sequence break the second and it turned out that the first 50 skull one really wasnt important anyway
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Jul 2, 2022 02:00
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AARD VARKMAN posted:I think this could be a really cool gdq run category, even for us non OoT players, with a comprehensive overlay of game stuff Yeah, this honestly feels like a UI challenge at this point. If there were some way to see what was left to check, what the critical path items were, what leads into them, etc., that would make this so much more accessible. There's no way you could do it directly through Twitch, but maybe an offsite thing?
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Jul 2, 2022 02:09
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TAS time!
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Jul 2, 2022 02:21
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Time for the best part of every GDQ. The part where the robot shows up everyone in the room.
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Jul 2, 2022 02:24
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Kestral posted:Yeah, this honestly feels like a UI challenge at this point. If there were some way to see what was left to check, what the critical path items were, what leads into them, etc., that would make this so much more accessible. There's no way you could do it directly through Twitch, but maybe an offsite thing?
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Jul 2, 2022 02:28
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Kestral posted:Yeah, this honestly feels like a UI challenge at this point. If there were some way to see what was left to check, what the critical path items were, what leads into them, etc., that would make this so much more accessible. There's no way you could do it directly through Twitch, but maybe an offsite thing? the race channels all have a bot set up to do this stuff, mostly powered by a google spreadsheet that the people on comms and tracking fill out as the race goes on like you type in !path and the bot spits out all of the pathed locations + what items were found there + maybe how the path resolves the onlyy thing that really doesnt get touched would be where to check, but a lot of comms are runners who have a mental checklist and will bring up whatever's left
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Jul 2, 2022 02:29
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This is really long for a TAS, I hope the commentary is good
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Jul 2, 2022 02:33
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It's off to a good start. using the long cutscene to mod in a little video explaining some basic techniques is cute and a really good idea.
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Jul 2, 2022 02:36
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I'm a little disappointed it's pre-recorded. Where's the fun if there's no chance of things going hilariously wrong? Edit: Ok, a TAS portal run is definitely something. Bremen fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Jul 2, 2022 |
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Jul 2, 2022 02:37
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Incoherence posted:Part of the appeal of playing a randomizer like this is that there are often several paths to reach a given area or check: see the hookshot/gold scale thing Nukes did (which is not expected by the placement logic but was useful here). There are also ~250 checks in the game in these settings, with probably a hundred different sets of requirements; communicating that is hard enough even if you know what you're looking at. yeah for example like the seed I gave before with last week's EU weekly, like logically the game expected you to collect 50 skulltulas with no hookshot, so you could do the following things logically and not get softlocked turn in 50 skulls get a hookshot use the hookshot to get into water temple get a wallet from water temple go buy blue fire from the kakariko potion shop use the blue fire to unfreeze king zora as an adult and receive your longshot use the longshot to cross the broken bridge in gerudo valley to get to gerudo training ground get your rutos letter from the back half of GTG return to child and turn in the letter to King Zora to open up zora's fountain return adult and go to ice cavern in zora's fountain get your hover boots from ice cavern use thje hover boots beat shadow temple to collect the forest medallion and trigger the prelude of light check in temple of time and get epona's song or you could just like hop past King Zora like a champ or reverse wasteland and break the stupid blue first paradox letter loop and get the much easier hookshot (that wasnt hard required to beat the game)
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Jul 2, 2022 02:42
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my dreadful confession... i think tas runs are boring.....
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Jul 2, 2022 02:45
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Tas runs should be designed to be visually interesting, so not all games really support them and I'm not sure speedrunners really know what makes tas runs interesting to non-speedrunners. So far this one is good though.
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Jul 2, 2022 02:47
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I know things are off schedule but you don't do tasbot right after spike hyped up the croud so much
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:yeah for example like the seed I gave before with last week's EU weekly, like logically the game expected you to collect 50 skulltulas with no hookshot, so you could do the following things logically and not get softlocked Hmm. What I'm getting from that is, this is a competition that is fated to be pretty much impenetrable to anyone who isn't part of its community. I'm not too bothered by this, GDQs are by definition celebrations of niche video game communities. I feel certain there's a better way to present this information, though.
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Kestral posted:Hmm. What I'm getting from that is, this is a competition that is fated to be pretty much impenetrable to anyone who isn't part of its community. I'm not too bothered by this, GDQs are by definition celebrations of niche video game communities. I feel certain there's a better way to present this information, though. Probably, but it kind of exists in the space where GDQ isn't going to probably be the best place for it and if you want more info you should look at the smaller communities. Mostly because of the chat volume tbh.
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Jul 2, 2022 02:54
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TASBOT is fun when it's clowning on a game in funny ways or breaking a really well known game like Mario. i think the more a TAS resembles the human run the worse, and this one has a lot of time that looks human
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Jul 2, 2022 02:56
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The little "donation received" icons on the bottom of the screen are interesting from a psychology perspective, since you get to watch the effect of the donation reader in real time. It's really noticeable how much faster the donations come in when someone is actively goading chat, a phenomenon that absolutely baffles me. I'd like to know more about these people who doesn't have a set amount they intend to donate, who just chucks in another $5 every time a person on the mic tells them how cute and good Twitch chat is.
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Jul 2, 2022 03:03
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im actually enjoying this run for reminding me that portal 2 exists and is excellent
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Jul 2, 2022 03:04
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People are like, obscenely easy to manipulate. It's (one of many reasons) why capitalism is so bad. At least here it's for a good reason.
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Jul 2, 2022 03:04
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AARD VARKMAN posted:TASBOT is fun when it's clowning on a game in funny ways or breaking a really well known game like Mario. i think the more a TAS resembles the human run the worse, and this one has a lot of time that looks human I would not say really any of this run looks human
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I do think this run has too much waiting in an elevator to be interesting. It's 50% incomprehensible screen flashing and 50% waiting in an elevator. I still like TAS in general because they're kinda nuts, but I feel like they coulda picked a better one to show off. I hope the OoT tas is better if they hit it.
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