Not So Fast posted:

Obviously Zenz himself is a vile evangelical creep, but...

fits my needs posted:

if disney is good why is this bad

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Lol didn't zenz count Nazi soldiers who died invading Russia as "victims of communism"?

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Lol didn't zenz count Nazi soldiers who died invading Russia as "victims of communism"?

mawarannahr posted:

cultural genocide is a real thing imo from the perspective of what Turks have been doing to the Kurds and it’s usually pretty easy to distinguish from the traditional genocide versus the Armenians. it’s bad.

Antonymous posted:

I think this thread's insistence to take a maximalist opposition to western propaganda is stupid

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

also everyone in the world who died of covid

Antonymous posted:

the UN says genocide can't be cultural alone it has to be physical destruction, killing, stopping births. even relocating a group doesn't count. not that their definition supersedes general understanding

I think this thread's insistence to take a maximalist opposition to western propaganda is stupid. even in china people know that the government response in Xinjiang isnt ideal, isn't "as nice as normal school" (which you justify by saying no school is nice?), but if they support it they will likely think its to better integrate people there to avoid separatism and violence. There were occasional terrorist attacks from the mid 2000s to about 2015, and now there haven't been.

Antonymous posted:

the UN says genocide can't be cultural alone it has to be physical destruction, killing, stopping births. even relocating a group doesn't count. not that their definition supersedes general understanding

I think this thread's insistence to take a maximalist opposition to western propaganda is stupid. even in china people know that the government response in Xinjiang isnt ideal, isn't "as nice as normal school" (which you justify by saying no school is nice?), but if they support it they will likely think its to better integrate people there to avoid separatism and violence. There were occasional terrorist attacks from the mid 2000s to about 2015, and now there haven't been.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Lol didn't zenz count Nazi soldiers who died invading Russia as "victims of communism"?

sexpig by night posted:

what exactly is the chinese government doing in Xinjiang

Antonymous posted:

There were occasional terrorist attacks from the mid 2000s to about 2015, and now there haven't been.

sexpig by night posted:

what exactly is the chinese government doing in Xinjiang

stephenthinkpad posted:

https://twitter.com/stocks_tweets/status/1534147424553345024?t=q9RKRapltrBEZReVrNK95g&s=19

Who will go first?

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

https://twitter.com/dennisispeasant/status/1543238134019801088

stephenthinkpad posted:

Who will go first?

je1 healthcare posted:

There have been even more public mass-stabbing attacks taking place outside of Xinjiang, done by Han Chinese, but of course those never get classified as terrorism. Just crime and "mental illness"

If you go exclusively by what the Chinese government has announced or made public, the answer is mass extrajudicial detentions on the basis of religion and ethnicity.

Mirello posted:

also specifically at that poster who's quoting some youtuber, dumb as hell. I've been to xinjiang. you wanna know how the xinjiang genocide is fake? Any articles with specific details will always be extremely minor (metal detectors + flags = genocide) while mixing in proven lies from zenz about millions of people in jail, or every woman in xinjiang getting 84 iuds. so stupid! ZENZ DOESNT EVEN SPEAK CHINESE! HE CANT EVEN INTERPRET HIS OWN FAKE DOCUMENTS!

Cpt_Obvious posted:

He's trying to apply white supremacy to an Asian country. It's exactly as stupid as it sounds.

sexpig by night posted:

so the claim here is that any mass stabbing has to be called terrorism or what?

Also how is it extrajudicial?

Some Guy TT posted:

net iud placements is the funniest drat statistic because if you use it without explaining it a normal person thinks whoa wtf eighty percent of iuds in china are done to uyghurs?!?!

je1 healthcare posted:

It's really not so confusing. The documents record every IUD insertion and removal, for every region. But there's a huge disparity in Xinjiang in that most of them aren't ever getting removed.

je1 healthcare posted:

I mean yes, that does sound stupid, because we're talking about Han supremacy and it's weird that you think asian countries are incapable of xenophobic policies, because they all still have them to varying degrees.

comedyblissoption posted:

everything zenz everything zenz
i dont think so

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lmao han supremacy

je1 healthcare posted:

I mean yes, that does sound stupid, because we're talking about Han supremacy and it's weird that you think asian countries are incapable of xenophobic policies, because they all still have them to varying degrees.

Not quite, just that minorities and muslims are just as capable of being mentally ill, or conducting attacks on random civilians for non-political reasons.

It's "extrajudicial" in the sense that there's no court record for most of those sent to compulsory re-education camps, and Chinese law has specifically authorized public security and administrative bodies to handle their cases without the involvement of any judicial body. We know this because the CCP's own english language white papers have boasted about this 'flexibility'

It's really not so confusing. The documents record every IUD insertion and removal, for every region. But there's a huge disparity in Xinjiang in that most of them aren't ever getting removed.

The criticism that "Zenz doens't even speak Chinese so how can he read the documents!!??!" has always been a weird one. He obviously hired a translator. If he's outright making up an english translation then it should be simple to prove errors in every sentence.

je1 healthcare posted:

I mean yes, that does sound stupid, because we're talking about Han supremacy and it's weird that you think asian countries are incapable of xenophobic policies, because they all still have them to varying degrees.

Not quite, just that minorities and muslims are just as capable of being mentally ill, or conducting attacks on random civilians for non-political reasons.

It's "extrajudicial" in the sense that there's no court record for most of those sent to compulsory re-education camps, and Chinese law has specifically authorized public security and administrative bodies to handle their cases without the involvement of any judicial body. We know this because the CCP's own english language white papers have boasted about this 'flexibility'

It's really not so confusing. The documents record every IUD insertion and removal, for every region. But there's a huge disparity in Xinjiang in that most of them aren't ever getting removed.

The criticism that "Zenz doens't even speak Chinese so how can he read the documents!!??!" has always been a weird one. He obviously hired a translator. If he's outright making up an english translation then it should be simple to prove errors in every sentence.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

je1 healthcare posted:

I mean yes, that does sound stupid, because we're talking about Han supremacy and it's weird that you think asian countries are incapable of xenophobic policies, because they all still have them to varying degrees.

Not quite, just that minorities and muslims are just as capable of being mentally ill, or conducting attacks on random civilians for non-political reasons.

It's "extrajudicial" in the sense that there's no court record for most of those sent to compulsory re-education camps, and Chinese law has specifically authorized public security and administrative bodies to handle their cases without the involvement of any judicial body. We know this because the CCP's own english language white papers have boasted about this 'flexibility'

It's really not so confusing. The documents record every IUD insertion and removal, for every region. But there's a huge disparity in Xinjiang in that most of them aren't ever getting removed.

The criticism that "Zenz doens't even speak Chinese so how can he read the documents!!??!" has always been a weird one. He obviously hired a translator. If he's outright making up an english translation then it should be simple to prove errors in every sentence.

je1 healthcare posted:

I mean yes, that does sound stupid, because we're talking about Han supremacy and it's weird that you think asian countries are incapable of xenophobic policies, because they all still have them to varying degrees.

Not quite, just that minorities and muslims are just as capable of being mentally ill, or conducting attacks on random civilians for non-political reasons.

It's "extrajudicial" in the sense that there's no court record for most of those sent to compulsory re-education camps, and Chinese law has specifically authorized public security and administrative bodies to handle their cases without the involvement of any judicial body. We know this because the CCP's own english language white papers have boasted about this 'flexibility'

It's really not so confusing. The documents record every IUD insertion and removal, for every region. But there's a huge disparity in Xinjiang in that most of them aren't ever getting removed.

The criticism that "Zenz doens't even speak Chinese so how can he read the documents!!??!" has always been a weird one. He obviously hired a translator. If he's outright making up an english translation then it should be simple to prove errors in every sentence.

je1 healthcare posted:

It's really not so confusing. The documents record every IUD insertion and removal, for every region. But there's a huge disparity in Xinjiang in that most of them aren't ever getting removed.