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hobocrunch posted:I'm not talking about real realism, I'm talking realism within the IPs terms- Also known as feeling immersed. which is pretty important honestly. A "real world" is just another way of saying "I want to feel like I live in the world, exist in it." In the biz, we call that verisimilitude. 
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Sachant posted:In the biz, we call that verisimilitude. Actually like that word, thanks. What do we think of the updated Race/Class Matrix: (Also I realise no one really cares right now just making something to talk about) +Halfling Direlord - Halfling Warrior +Elf Cleric +Elf Paladin +Dark Myr Shaman +Dark Myr Paladin - Dark Myr Druid +Skar Ranger +Archai Summoner Might be missing one. 
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If they actually are pulling back on mimicking EQ, would that mean your race won't affect your class at all? I always felt that was a huge design mistake. You should never be exiled from the end-game because of an opaque, innocent decision made at the very start of the game.
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EQ had race restrictions for class. EQ had some of the most profound gameplay impacting racial characteristics of any MMO, really, when you consider the good/evil system and racial cities. An Ogre Shaman would have a very different experience - and less access to certain important places absent disguise spells or a crazy grind - than a Barbarian.
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Jun 30, 2022 15:36
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I take issue with the Human Shaman.
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Jun 30, 2022 15:38
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NINE races?! What are these people loving smoking? That's more than wow launched with, are they doing everquest style equipment where it's usually just a texture or are they actually rigging 9 versions of a lot of equipment?
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30.5 Days posted:NINE races?! What are these people loving smoking? That's more than wow launched with, are they doing everquest style equipment where it's usually just a texture or are they actually rigging 9 versions of a lot of equipment? The bigger issue is the races look samey.
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Jun 30, 2022 17:42
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Taking a month to create a single piece of equipment will result in some pretty samey characters.
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Pantheon went way too far down the road of graphical fidelity and it still looks pretty mediocre.
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Ogres don't look nearly as dumb enough.
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cmdrk posted:I take issue with the Human Shaman. I take issue with non-human Monks. Node posted:Ogres don't look nearly as dumb enough. They'll make up for it with the ogre idle animation as it takes an uncomfortably long time picking its own butthole.
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Frog Act posted:EQ had race restrictions for class. EQ had some of the most profound gameplay impacting racial characteristics of any MMO, really, when you consider the good/evil system and racial cities. An Ogre Shaman would have a very different experience - and less access to certain important places absent disguise spells or a crazy grind - than a Barbarian. Even if you picked the right race, you could still get got it you picked an odd religion. Or you run into situations like how certain gnome class religion combos were more or less tolerated basically in all cities. Off the top of my head, I think Veeshan worshiping bards got a big leg up with skyshrine faction in Velious.
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Most of that race/religion in EQ didn't matter in Kunark and none of it mattered in Velious. The only race/class combos of any consequence that actually impacted gameplay long term were iksar necros/shaman had the best innate hp regen which made them ideal and ogre warriors/shamans/SKs were ideal because they could not be stunned by melee attacks from the front. Everything else was relatively inconsequential once you played long enough. I know people who purposefully made gnomes when they came back to the game because they didn't want to worry about using shrink clickies on raids. Off the top of my head, the only religion faction things that were remotely consequential were troll shamans who followed innoruuk could get the clicky snare necklace, Tunare clerics got the clicky haste necklace, Tunare paladins got the dope 2hs from PoGrowth (which became obsolete shortly into Ssra), non-Cazic players had a significant penalty that was almost too much to overcome if they wanted to walk around in Cabilis (which also impacted the chance to do iksar progression quests like Shaman cudgel and Monk shackles, which were obsolete in late Velious/Luclin), and Veeshan followers got a little faction bump that lowered the grind with CoV dragons. The deity based armor people could make was really good for certain combos to play catch up but it was a money pit. imo, the fixed race/class thing doesn't make sense unless you're purposefully making a game where there are defined and/or subtextual racial tensions that exist in the world, which kinda sucks and is played out. People say it adds immersion to the world or consequences to decisions, but it really just limits players from being creative with their character choices and ability to role play. I get where people don't like "every race can be every class," because the games currently on the market did it by throwing it on as an afterthought even though their world initially had those racial tensions. But that's a fault of the designers not following the rules of the world they created and not a fault of the idea that maybe players shouldn't be limited in the character they want to play.
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I killed so many orcs as a Troll SK just to get dubious with North Freeport so I could have easy bank access when dealing in the East Commonlands tunnel.
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I liked how only certain races could be certain classes.
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Vinestalk posted:imo, the fixed race/class thing doesn't make sense unless you're purposefully making a game where there are defined and/or subtextual racial tensions that exist in the world, which kinda sucks and is played out. People say it adds immersion to the world or consequences to decisions, but it really just limits players from being creative with their character choices and ability to role play. I get where people don't like "every race can be every class," because the games currently on the market did it by throwing it on as an afterthought even though their world initially had those racial tensions. But that's a fault of the designers not following the rules of the world they created and not a fault of the idea that maybe players shouldn't be limited in the character they want to play. This could be a terrible idea, but here goes: If you want a more cosmopolitan-style fantasy world while still having factional conflict, and want to drop the uncomfortable racism stuff, then make players choose race, deity, class, and culture. Culture determines your starting city and initial faction alignment. Play a Wood Elf with an evil culture, start in Neriak, and be KOS in Kelethin. Sachant fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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Seems interesting. Doesn't feel too different from D&D where you choose alignment on character creation.Groovelord Neato posted:I liked how only certain races could be certain classes. Any reason in particular or just like how it feels? I did like the feel of how EQ did it until they added stuff like halfling paladins. Always felt like a weird combo to me.
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Vinestalk posted:Any reason in particular or just like how it feels? I did like the feel of how EQ did it until they added stuff like halfling paladins. Always felt like a weird combo to me. The feel - it helped flavor the world as the class/race picks made sense internally and there's a flatness when everyone can be everything. I think they made gnomes able to be shadow knights too later on which was weird.
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I agreed with the gnome SK and halfling paladin. SK was a hybrid of warrior and necromancer, both playable by gnome. Same deal with paladin: warrior and cleric both playable by halfling. Plus I love small races and this discussion is making me want to go play on EQ test server with a lil gnome SK
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I mostly just hate the shorties.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I mostly just hate the shorties. team short best team 
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Memories of my Human Necromancer of Bertoxxulous (or was it Innoruuk?) being KoS to one single random NPC in my home city but "dubious" or "apprehensive" to everyone else except for my fellow evil-god-worshipping-NPCs EDIT: I also remember I bought the Ruins of Kunark strategy guide and it said that no one was KoS to Halflings. Took a Troll to Rivervale once and discovered this is a complete lie. FrostyPox fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jul 2, 2022 |
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FrostyPox posted:Memories of my Human Necromancer of Bertoxxulous (or was it Innoruuk?) being KoS to one single random NPC in my home city but "dubious" or "apprehensive" to everyone else except for my fellow evil-god-worshipping-NPCs It was Innoruuk most likely. Got one shot by a dwarf the other day running around on my lowbie Necro.
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every race/class combo you dont allow (assuming all races start in distinct towns) is another bunch of race/class quest content you dont have to write, program and polish.
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onesixtwo posted:team short best team I kid I kid I always thought halflings and gnomes being warriors was weird too because only dwarves struck me as a martial race among the little ones. Gnomes feel/felt like magic users and rogues and halflings felt like healers/nature magic/rogues to me.
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dire lord had better be this games shadowknight because if it ever comes out i'm just rebuilding my old everquest main and i don't see sk on the chart
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blatman posted:dire lord had better be this games shadowknight because if it ever comes out i'm just rebuilding my old everquest main and i don't see sk on the chart Unless they've changed it, a dire lord is basically a shadowknight, but they only wear up to chain armor. No plate for them.
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Node posted:Unless they've changed it, a dire lord is basically a shadowknight, but they only wear up to chain armor. No plate for them. thats perfect because then i can re-live my experience of when my sk had poo poo gear
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blatman posted:thats perfect because then i can re-live my experience of when my sk had poo poo gear You cannot. The game is never coming out.
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Groovelord Neato posted:The game is never coming out.
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Groovelord Neato posted:You cannot. The game is never coming out. this is perfect because it also lets me re-live that time in my life where my sk had poo poo gear and i also couldn't afford a subscription
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This thread is sad. I can't imagine wanting to relive something from 1999
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Six AM posted:This thread is sad. I can't imagine wanting to relive something from 1999 The 90s owned dude.
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Six AM posted:This thread is sad. I can't imagine wanting to relive something from 1999 Me neither, everything's so much better nowadays. In every way.
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Six AM posted:This thread is sad. I can't imagine wanting to relive something from 1999 it would own actually because now we all have high speed internet instead of dial up so u dont get disconnected mid-group because someone is calling ur parents and you can stream reruns of star trek on a second monitor with little to no performance loss you can mitigate wife aggro by either getting her hooked or by not being married / getting a divorce idk i'm gonna just sort of wing this step
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Sachant posted:Me neither, everything's so much better nowadays. In every way. I think lore was better back then- and because lore was better you had an attention to detail that was better. Such as specific towns acting specific ways rather than just some quest designers whim for that day. But apart from that yeah, I see the entire Pantheon community asking for slow combat (because they're in their 60's now) and I sit here and wonder how they're going to like playing a video game that's dead in a week because no one wants to play a game where it takes several minutes of auto attacking to kill an enemy... :cough: shroud of the avatar :cough
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Node posted:The 90s owned dude.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:They most empathically did not. I nearly died in '95. https://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/two-decades-since-hakkinen-nearly-died/ Holy poo poo are you Mika Hakkinen?
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30.5 Days posted:Sounds like it was all uphill from there Not really, I lost 100% of my hearing in both ears  hobocrunch posted:https://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/two-decades-since-hakkinen-nearly-died/
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