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Electric Phantasm posted:YoshiP gonna lock out the relic quests to anyone who put the twins' mom in the 2B pants.  "Meanwhile, in reality, she literally asks you to give her a slutty transmog so she can make Fourchenault squirm.
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Jul 3, 2022 06:48
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Bold of the fandom to assume that the woman who force feeds carrots to her husband and plays around Rowena like a fiddle wouldn't be totally down to wear sexy glamours.
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Jul 3, 2022 06:51
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Consummate Professional posted:Are there any pics of guy fieri and hillary next to each other? i don't know about that but https://twitter.com/bobacupcake/status/1337917477947314177
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Selane posted:I like how much loving stupid hand wringing there was about this before the patch. "Oh my god, will they allow us to glamour her, what if someone makes her wear something innapropriate lol I need to complete her custom deliveries that rules.
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Jul 3, 2022 07:57
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I was about to say that I'd pay a minigame about being glammed by NPCs, but I guess that's just Fashion Report
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You can't even see what other players are dressing Ameliance up as. It's the biggest non-issue. At least the people getting mad about limsa catgirls might have to actually look at it.
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I have not seen a single person actually say anything bad about dressing Ameliance. I have seen about a billion jokes about it though. I assume these squares are on reddit or the forums or something? I stuck her in the most recent valentiones outfit because her tales of forchenault are extremely cute.
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Okay I finally walked the drat End, I don’t have to worry about dodging spoilers anymore. Zenos insisting on yet one more fight was a little annoying tho. It wasn’t even very hard for the most part but dude just cannot take a hint. I’m not even sure what the overall idea in bringing him back was, he feels bolted on to the story. I did like the dragon however.
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Jul 3, 2022 09:03
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Maxwell Lord posted:Okay I finally walked the drat End, I don’t have to worry about dodging spoilers anymore. That character arc wound up being one of the wildest dark horse moments in the story for me. And I'm glad you liked that bit though, he gets possibly the best line in the entire msq and it's buckwild in the moment.
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Jul 3, 2022 09:05
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It does kinda feel like a pro wrestling angle- “I just need to keep fighting you in specific, I’ll even help you get rid of this other idiot so we can do this.”
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Jul 3, 2022 09:07
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The most romantic thing ever said comes from Zenos
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Macaluso posted:The most romantic thing ever said comes from Zenos "a test of your reflexes!" 
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Maxwell Lord posted:It does kinda feel like a pro wrestling angle- “I just need to keep fighting you in specific, I’ll even help you get rid of this other idiot so we can do this.”
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Jul 3, 2022 09:34
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Maxwell Lord posted:Okay I finally walked the drat End, I don’t have to worry about dodging spoilers anymore. it is specifically calling out the player, with a litany of blood and violence behind you as you have saved the world, one of the few times a meta commentary moment really hits in a game:   you fought your way to this point and endwalker ends with a fight against the last standing deuteragonist - the development team - challenging you to one last brawl in their arc before the new story begins with a clear power level cap. it is brilliant.
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now i'm imagining the final battle being crushingly difficult but after a number of defeats you're given the option to call upon the help of your fellow warriors of light. with their help you finally prevail but now you have a choice to make...
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Some interesting interpretations to be sure. Proud of myself for only dying once in the last trial and it was only because I fell off the disc.
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how the gently caress am i just learning that there's a "materia extraction" menu from a year old youtube video what the gently caress
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Trash Ops posted:it is specifically calling out the player, with a litany of blood and violence behind you as you have saved the world, one of the few times a meta commentary moment really hits in a game: It didn't hit for me at all cause he's just a tiresome sociopath projecting his hosed up motivations on me/my character because he can't conceive of how else anyone could be strong enough to kick his plot armored rear end. He's been an albatross around the story's neck since stormblood, and if they really are bringing him back in some form yet again I honestly might lose interest in the story.
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Telarra posted:It didn't hit for me at all cause he's just a tiresome sociopath projecting his hosed up motivations on me/my character because he can't conceive of how else anyone could be strong enough to kick his plot armored rear end. He's been an albatross around the story's neck since stormblood, and if they really are bringing him back in some form yet again I honestly might lose interest in the story. Mood. And don’t hit me with the well don’t you play the game for the fights????? Because yeah duh but me enjoying my rhythm game with a side of bullet hell is different from my character’s motivation and how I feel about the plot and characters.
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Jul 3, 2022 11:20
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Telarra posted:It didn't hit for me at all cause he's just a tiresome sociopath projecting his hosed up motivations on me/my character because he can't conceive of how else anyone could be strong enough to kick his plot armored rear end. He's been an albatross around the story's neck since stormblood, and if they really are bringing him back in some form yet again I honestly might lose interest in the story. learn to read dumbass lol
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Nessus posted:I think some of the idea here is Zenos embraces, for want of a better term, positive nihilism - he has realized, truly and profoundly, what he wants, and he responds to Alisaie's challenge with self-reflection and a determined and deliberate choice. Now he himself wants to have another climax super-stylish battle with you, the Warrior of Light, and not anything else. So he immediately takes the route that facilitates him achieving that goal in the most straightforward and reasonable way. Which turns out to be profoundly helpful instead of interfering, if with a cost AFTER you've saved the cosmos. Literally nothing else matters to him. But he's doing the same kind of thing you're doing - in the face of despair, you and the other Scions are basically like, 'nah, I still find meaning.' It also feels like (spoilers all the way through 6.0, natch) a further refutation of everything Solus/Emet-Selch and the Ascians in general were working for, and the idea of sundered humans as mindless pawns to be manipulated in pursuit of Rejoinings. Zenos is a monster, created via literal generations of Ascian manipulation to be a killing machine/tool of conquest/chaos engine, and he never really becomes any better than that as a person -- but he becomes a person in the sense of pursuing his own autonomy and desires, starting with active cooperation with Fandaniel (instead of being toyed with by Emet and Elidibus) and then purely on his own. He's still a monster, but he's an uncaged monster in a way Emet-Selch clearly didn't believe he or any sundered human could be. I was never a Zenos fan, but I appreciated that arc, and the similar little moment Asahi gets in the 89 MSQ where even he, maybe the most pathetic worm-man of a recurring antagonist the game gives us, gets to say "gently caress you" to his Ascian puppeteer.
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I get that not everyone views their personal WoL in the same way, but for me the Zenos stuff worked perfectly. It's not just oh, you're playing a game about fighting, so this is all fun to you!!! it's more the culmination of every little moment where our character is obviously a god-tier badass superhero compared to a bunch of normies, and we're always being super nice because we want the best for everyone but also we're constantly being inconvenienced and slightly annoyed by silly fetch quests etc. until our character is like "damnit I just wanna punch some stuff!" It's an acknowledgement of how, on a significant level, the WoL can never truly relate to the normal characters in the story, so it's nice, albeit hosed up, for Zenos to be able to reach us. I think there's a similar underlying feeling in the part where Alisaie gets all embarrassed and frustrated by the WoL trying to encourage her about fighting; for all the shipping and "she's in love with the main character" stuff, that idea fundamentally doesn't work because our character is basically a god.
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Zenos chat The post-fight cutscene where you're having a heart to heart as you both bleed out and it dawns on him that he wasted his life right as he dies is fantastic too. That he's a weirdo sociopath who could only find meaning through the tiniest fraction of his experiences is entirely the point of the character!
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One thing I really like about that stuff is the fact that instead of calling you a ravenous beast like himself as he did in Stormblood, he calls you what you really are: Adventurer.
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Yeah when (6.0 spoilers) Zenos appears in Garlemald II: Solo Duty, he pretty explicitly shows up and says hello, I now understand 90% of the themes of this expansion: "Yet you would ask me why. Ask any creature of this star and those above* for answers, and they will tell you what suits their fancy. And they would be right to do so. What meaning there is to be found in the petty vicissitudes of your existence must be gleaned by you and you alone." It takes him until you've already flown across the universe to realize the fuller truth (that by working together to help each other pursue and achieve meaning we can collectively build something greater and more resilient than we can alone), but he does get there. And if you're willing to play along, the game's framing of it—the idea that the WoL takes a bit of a cue from Zenos and pursues their own joy (end of the universe dynamis throwdown) in a way that is both extremely reckless and more than a little selfish now that their job is done, only to be granted the ability to have their cake and eat it too by the fact that everyone around them at the time is wishing for their happiness—is pretty fun, and reaffirms the themes of the expansion while also inaugurating the era of newfound adventure by letting the WoL do something purely because they want to, rather than for duty or morality or honor or because a friend is going to get themselves killed. It doesn't work if you've constructed a headcanon in which your WoL thinks and feels much differently than the game indicates, but unlike with most other such things they give you a pretty explicit out to say "actually, i do not agree and you suck," which is the imo only real way to handle that kind of incongruity that still lets you try to do character writing for the WoL without generating a ton of additional work in alternate routes, and it's one they have only very rarely given us the option for. you can't really repudiate Venat or Emet directly and be like "that actually sucks, I'm going to kill you", even though the writers premise a fair amount of thematic and narrative material on the idea that you feel a particular way about those characters. *hey why does everyone in this expansion go "anyways aliens are real but honestly that's not a huge deal, the important thing is what they think about existentialism." just a very funny choice. obviously there were already aliens in the game but both zenos and hermes are pretty nonchalant about like "oh well if you asked an ALIEN about the meaning of life--". Valentin fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jul 3, 2022 |
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Oneiros posted:how the gently caress am i just learning that there's a "materia extraction" menu from a year old youtube video what the gently caress do you know about the desynth menu too? it doesn't lock out gear sets like the GC turn in so can be a little dangerous to mash your way through
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Trash Ops posted:learn to read dumbass lol Sorry I don't like the thing you like I guess?
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Maxwell Lord posted:Okay I finally walked the drat End, I don’t have to worry about dodging spoilers anymore. (EW) Meteion's arc asks, "Should you live, even in the face of pointlessness?" (yes), and Zenos' arc follows that up with the equally-necessary question of, "How should you live?" He's your antithesis - someone who lives for themselves versus someone who lives for others - and the battle at the literal edge of the universe is a transmutation of that abstract philosophical conflict into a physical one due to this being a video game.
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Maxwell Lord posted:It does kinda feel like a pro wrestling angle- “I just need to keep fighting you in specific, I’ll even help you get rid of this other idiot so we can do this.” It is 100% a pro wrestling angle and it rules. It's the Royal Rumble and the new monster heel is on a rampage. Everybody has been ejected from the ring except the top face, who is now on the ropes. Just then JR blurts out "Bah gawd that's Zenos' music!" and our hero's rival runs to the ring, exchanges a look with the hero, and the two team up to toss out the monster heel. They immediately proceed to have their big showdown right then and there to finish out the PPV. The only other time I gave an actual pro wrestling pop for boss music in this game was at the end of the Twinning.
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Zenos’s rematch brings us full circle to how we began our story as an adventurer setting out into the world for the thrill of it, but then over time found something much more meaningful through the people we met along the way. Zenos only ever thought about himself but in his dying moments he ends up finally caring about someone else. He genuinely wants to know if the WoL found the joy and fulfillment in their life that always eluded him, and its implied that the teleportation device came back because of Zenos’s dying wish: a genuine desire for his rival to live on and be happy
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Augus posted:Zenos’s rematch brings us full circle to how we began our story as an adventurer setting out into the world for the thrill of it, but then over time found something much more meaningful through the people we met along the way. Zenos only ever thought about himself but in his dying moments he ends up finally caring about someone else. He genuinely wants to know if the WoL found the joy and fulfillment in their life that always eluded him, and its implied that the teleportation device came back because of Zenos’s dying wish: a genuine desire for his rival to live on and be happy It's good. Ishikawa does it again.
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Telarra posted:Sorry I don't like the thing you like I guess? I believe it's more this bit " if they really are bringing him back in some form yet again " which is...not what the story is doing at all there's literally nothing to think this is happening.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I believe it's more this bit " if they really are bringing him back in some form yet again " which is...not what the story is doing at all there's literally nothing to think this is happening. Didn't Zenos' reaper voidsent appear with his resonant eyes, if not his whole body, in a cutscene in 6.1? It's not Zenos in there, yet again, but from what I've seen in the Reaper job quests his body might get involved somewhere along the line. I just hope the real Zenos stays down this time, I loved the ending he got and it deserves to be final.
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