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Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

FizFashizzle posted:

Not sure why you�re assuming Cheney runs as a Republican.

There's not really a 3rd party with ballot access who would want her, and only billionaires have the resources to get themselves on the ballot in all states. (and even then only if they get started early)

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:33

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# ? May 23, 2024 10:19

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Bar Ran Dun posted:

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/28/trump-jan-6-rally-guns-capitol-attack

And Trump knew when was encouraging them. lol I remember getting so much poo poo here for pointing out Mr. Zipties.

“Trump said: “I don’t loving care that they have weapons, they’re not here to hurt me. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the loving mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here, let the people in and take the mags away.””

Maybe I needed to phrase things differently but my understanding has always been that the delineation is that no one who entered the capitol was armed at the time of doing so

I vaguely recall a guy there with his mom? who was caught on audio disarming himself before entering

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:33

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK: Jan 26, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Bar Ran Dun posted:

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/28/trump-jan-6-rally-guns-capitol-attack

And Trump knew when was encouraging them. lol I remember getting so much poo poo here for pointing out Mr. Zipties.

that guy didnt have any guns and he found those ziptie in the capitol, those are established facts :smugdon:

e: lol and this article is baloney. wow the metal detectors were detecting metal, that's hardly proof that they had weapons. Cmon lets get serious here and not buy in to the media hype

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jul 4, 2022

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:35

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

mastershakeman posted:

Maybe I needed to phrase things differently but my understanding has always been that the delineation is that no one who entered the capitol was armed at the time of doing so

I vaguely recall a guy there with his mom? who was caught on audio disarming himself before entering

�Court documents, video evidence and news coverage show that several defendants present at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, had firearms � and dozens more wielded knives, bats and other real and makeshift weapons.�

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/13/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-wrong-firearms-other-weapons-were-f/

They are charging a bunch of people for having weapons on the capital grounds.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:36

Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

mastershakeman posted:

Maybe I needed to phrase things differently but my understanding has always been that the delineation is that no one who entered the capitol was armed at the time of doing so

I vaguely recall a guy there with his mom? who was caught on audio disarming himself before entering

I think I saw that 3 people were charged with carrying guns onto the "capitol grounds" but yeah I don't think we have anyone charged with carrying a gun into the building.

The odds that many guns were carried into the building are very high though, since its not like they were searched. Those carrying concealed were smart enough to not just start waving it around for the cameras.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:37

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Herstory Begins Now posted:

You could post whatever you think is relevant and save us the time.

I mean, the last couple pages are filled with liberal wishcrafting about Trump & his singular threat to democracy, while ignoring his huge popularity among GOP voters and the party's history of catering to its voters.

Of course he'll be the odds-on favorite for the nomination, and liberal fantasies about a Trump-DeSantis death match notwithstanding, it's his if he wants it. As I've said, it's more likely that the two would be an agreed-upon joint ticket than primary opponents.

I totally understand the impulse for Dem voters to create imaginary scenarios favorable to the Democratic ticket, bc lord knows the reality doesn't do so. But the poster Noam Chomsky has been correct (and reality-based) in their posts, and has more data to back them than the fantasy outcomes that others have posted.

(lmao that I was probated for agreeing with another poster & correctly pointing out what other posters were doing.)

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jul 5, 2022

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:38

Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

Willa Rogers posted:

I mean, the last couple pages are filled with liberal wishcrafting about Trump & his singular threat to democracy, while ignoring his huge popularity among GOP voters and the party's history of catering to its voters.

Of course he'll be the odds-on favorite for the nomination, and liberal fantasies about a Trump-DeSantis death match notwithstanding, it's his if he wants it. As I've said, it's more likely that the two would be an agreed-upon joint ticket than primary opponents.

I totally understand the impulse for Dem voters to create imaginary scenarios favorable to the Democratic ticket, bc lord knows the reality doesn't do so. But the poster Noam Chomsky has been correct (and reality-based) in their posts, and has more data to back them than the fantasy outcomes that others have posted.

Just to be clear, I do want Trump to win the nomination. I don't think it will happen.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:41

JonathonSpectre: Jul 23, 2003; I replaced the Shermatar and text with this because I don't wanna see racial slurs every time you post what the fuck; Soiled Meat

Herstory Begins Now posted:

It turns out that there were a bunch of arms, both guns and otherwise and considerable evidence of that was in the hearings.

Trump literally told them to let the armed terrorists in because "they're not here to shoot me."

He was told they had guns and said, "Let them in!"

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:42

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

Willa Rogers posted:

I mean, the last couple pages are filled with liberal wishcrafting about Trump & his singular threat to democracy, while ignoring his huge popularity among GOP voters and the party's history of catering to its voters.

Yes a good chunk of GOP voters are fascists too and this is also a very very bad thing.

But not all of them know they are fascists. The hearings are making a bit of this go on:

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:45

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Rigel posted:

I think I saw that 3 people were charged with carrying guns onto the "capitol grounds" but yeah I don't think we have anyone charged with carrying a gun into the building.

The odds that many guns were carried into the building are very high though, since its not like they were searched. Those carrying concealed were smart enough to not just start waving it around for the cameras.

That's fair, I just haven't seen anything on images/video. I agree about the concealed carrying people being smart enough not to brandish inside the building

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:52

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

Gotta remember Trump was prevented from showing up too, the smarter ones would notice.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 03:54

Crows Turn Off: Jan 7, 2008

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Yes a good chunk of GOP voters are fascists too and this is also a very very bad thing.

But not all of them know they are fascists. The hearings are making a bit of this go on:

Any polls out showing that Republicans are less likely to vote for Republicans in the Midterms because of the hearings?

# ? Jul 4, 2022 04:16

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

Crows Turn Off posted:

Any polls out showing that Republicans are less likely to vote for Republicans in the Midterms because of the hearings?

It�s probably too early to know. I�m sure they�re asking already. The abrupt and sudden rush to declare his candidacy suggests something. It�s anecdotally a thing people are seeing. It�s at that whelp don�t get to know with certainty just yet point, I mean I think we will know soonish.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 04:21

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

JonathonSpectre posted:

Trump literally told them to let the armed terrorists in because "they're not here to shoot me."

He was told they had guns and said, "Let them in!"

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# ? Jul 4, 2022 04:36

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Bar Ran Dun posted:

I am aware of all of that.

But fascists and conservatives are different things. Fascists are revolutionary romantics. Conservatives are attempting to preserve old social orders and myths of origin.

They’re both bad, they’re both reactions to capitalism and modernity. But one is totalizing and revolutionary which is much much worse and more dangerous than the other.

And lol no you’ll find I’ve not really ever changed topic since I started posting in D&D (this after all just more Tillich)

H.R. Hufflepuff posted:

Frogs and tadpoles are different things.

Yeah, those conservatives will always turn into fascists as conditions shatter those social orders and reality doesn't match up with myths. They're different in the sense that a conservative is a fascist who hasn't radicalized yet.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 04:45

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

Gumball Gumption posted:

Yeah, those conservatives will always turn into fascists as conditions shatter those social orders and reality doesn't match up with myths. They're different in the sense that a conservative is a fascist who hasn't radicalized yet.

No.

Some of them will become fascists. Socialists and communists are also folk with their myths of origin broken too. That�s what alienation and class war do. A negation of a negation is a multitude. Asserting its result is always one thing is incorrect. It�s the same conceptual error the accelerationists make.

It only benefits fascists to make the assumption you are making.

Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jul 4, 2022

# ? Jul 4, 2022 05:03

Twincityhacker: Feb 18, 2011

I was hoping that there was some other news happening in the US, but it's mostly "lots of people got shot all over the US this weekend."

Unsurprsingly, some of those shooting deaths were by cops - though the murder of Jayland Walker with 60+ bullet holes is inordinary in just the amount of times he was shot.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 05:03

Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

Crows Turn Off posted:

Any polls out showing that Republicans are less likely to vote for Republicans in the Midterms because of the hearings?

No. Of course, anyone who is still willing to call themselves Republican and not lie and say they are independent is likely a hard core MAGA moron, but I don't think anyone who is remotely likely to vote is staying home. The biggest unknown for me is how many people who historically don't vote in midterms decide that this time they will.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 05:33

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Not following the hearing apparently eh?

Absolutely not. So did people bring guns into the capitol building? I hadn't heard that.

e: oh there's a whole next page here

# ? Jul 4, 2022 06:23

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Bar Ran Dun posted:

No.

Some of them will become fascists. Socialists and communists are also folk with their myths of origin broken too. That�s what alienation and class war do. A negation of a negation is a multitude. Asserting its result is always one thing is incorrect. It�s the same conceptual error the accelerationists make.

It only benefits fascists to make the assumption you are making.

America�s always been a pretty para-fascist place. I don�t have a problem believing that many Americans have been primed for spectacular violence to create a white ethnostate. Fascism is only generalizable to some degree�the conditions of this place are going to produce a fascism that is unique to this place, and it�s not going to be patriot front in their silly costumes.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 06:24

Criss-cross: Jun 14, 2022; by Fluffdaddy

Lemming posted:

It looks bad decorumly to charge a presidential candidate from a rival party

Obviously, in a sane world that wouldn't apply to actual criminals who have committed crimes, but it seems pretty apparent that Garland is pretty averse to charging him at all, let alone while he's actively campaigning

No jury would ever convict Trump, the idea that anyone would charge him with anything seems absurd.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 06:27

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

I AM GRANDO posted:

America�s always been a pretty para-fascist place. I don�t have a problem believing that many Americans have been primed for spectacular violence to create a white ethnostate. Fascism is only generalizable to some degree�the conditions of this place are going to produce a fascism that is unique to this place, and it�s not going to be patriot front in their silly costumes.

Revolutionary Romanticism is the more generalized concept.

Yes it definitely has been. Explicitly the German fascists looked at Americans for quite a lot of their nastier ideas. And in the past it was the same chuckle fucks. There are straight lines from John Birch to Q. Hell straight lines from Roy Cohn to Trump. From the business plot to January 6th. From confederacy to segregation to the current white nationalism.

But in the past we have beaten this poo poo back because we also generate folks who stand up to and against this bullshit.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 06:59

TheIncredulousHulk: Sep 3, 2012

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Oh they should be. But the fascists are worse. Conservative:Fascist as The Brooks Brothers riot:January 6

One is a attempt at a goddamned armed revolution.

The Brooks Brothers Riot worked. Are you trying to say it was better because nobody there got hurt? This seems like a really muddled analogy

# ? Jul 4, 2022 07:23

Skyweir: Apr 29, 2013

One should always be careful about calling facists revolutionary. They often talk about revolution, but in fact most prominent facists States did not happen by revolution but by popular election followed by a legal coup. Both Germany and Italy voted for their facist parties, and then voted laws to give the facists leaders more power through their parlaments.

The Enabeling Act giving Hitler near conplete control of the governmemt was both legally encated by the Reichstag and popularly supported by both the rightwing base and centrists at the time.

There was never a revolution, there was the cooption and consent of the normal state at all stages until it was to late. The "revolutionary" facists were all purged as soon as convenient, because facism is in esscence a conservative ideology.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 07:47

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Criss-cross posted:

No jury would ever convict Trump, the idea that anyone would charge him with anything seems absurd.

Interesting hypothesis, I think generally if someone is committing extremely harmful and dangerous crimes, they should be charged no matter how well connected and powerful they are. It's true we operate in a two tiered justice system, so I agree it seems unlikely that a DoJ would actually charge a criminal like him, but I still consider it a huge failing if they don't even try

# ? Jul 4, 2022 07:59

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Skyweir posted:

One should always be careful about calling facists revolutionary. They often talk about revolution, but in fact most prominent facists States did not happen by revolution but by popular election followed by a legal coup. Both Germany and Italy voted for their facist parties, and then voted laws to give the facists leaders more power through their parlaments.

The Enabeling Act giving Hitler near conplete control of the governmemt was both legally encated by the Reichstag and popularly supported by both the rightwing base and centrists at the time.

There was never a revolution, there was the cooption and consent of the normal state at all stages until it was to late. The "revolutionary" facists were all purged as soon as convenient, because facism is in esscence a conservative ideology.

Yeah, for one because fascists are absolutely incapable of actually building things, all they ever accomplish is taking existing infrastructure and running into the ground, looting and killing as much as they possibly can along the way. (This is also why fascist states are favoured by puppet dictators) They like revolutionary aesthetics, but then of course fascism is fundamentally all about aesthetics to the exclusion of pretty much everything else- the idea that everything will be good if they can just make it look right, and get rid of everything that they don't like the look of.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 08:50

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Rigel posted:

Just to be clear, I do want Trump to win the nomination. I don't think it will happen.

I can't tell if this is a joke about the John Oliver bit from 2015, but if it isn't, I apologize.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 09:33

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Rigel posted:

He has the awful stench of the loser stuck onto him now. Primary voters are going to want to win the election. What Trump is for or against doesn't matter, Republicans aren't shy about abandoning their losers.

Trump also has this bizarre political cult following the likes of which I have never ever seen.

I can't think of anyone who lost an election that still inspires millions of people to fly huge flags with their name on them and walk around in silly red hats. Occasionally, one might see a Romney of McCain bumper sticker here and there but nothing like this hero worship I see with Trump. I don't know what the flat percentage is for the true amount of these people but it's pretty high (at least around here) and simply astronomical for a person who was actually beaten in an election.

Of course, they don't think Donald actually lost, so there's that, but still. The ones on board with Trump absolutely worship that moron.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 12:27

Bellmaker: Oct 18, 2008; Chapter DOOF

BiggerBoat posted:

Trump also has this bizarre political cult following the likes of which I have never ever seen.

I can't think of anyone who lost an election that still inspires millions of people to fly huge flags with their name on them and walk around in silly red hats. Occasionally, one might see a Romney of McCain bumper sticker here and there but nothing like this hero worship I see with Trump. I don't know what the flat percentage is for the true amount of these people but it's pretty high (at least around here) and simply astronomical for a person who was actually beaten in an election.

Of course, they don't think Donald actually lost, so there's that, but still. The ones on board with Trump absolutely worship that moron.

This point cannot be emphasized enough, he is a cult. As someone in a purple state, the bumper stickers and flags never went away, they just added "Let's Go Brandon" stickers to go with them.

DeSantis will get humiliated like Ted Cruz did, Trump genuinely dislikes the guy for some perceived slight. It's not like last time where the Primary Clown Car helped Trump, he is the face of the party now and he is the personification of "Republicans crawling through broken glass to vote" candidate. The polite Republicans don't like that he keeps saying the quiet part out loud, but that won't stop them from pulling the lever.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 12:36

Meatball: Mar 2, 2003; That's a Spicy Meatball; Pillbug

Bellmaker posted:

DeSantis will get humiliated like Ted Cruz did, Trump genuinely dislikes the guy for some perceived slight.

That slight is "being somewhat popular among people he wants votes from".

# ? Jul 4, 2022 13:07

GoutPatrol: Oct 17, 2009; *Stupid Babby*

BiggerBoat posted:

Trump also has this bizarre political cult following the likes of which I have never ever seen.

Of course, they don't think Donald actually lost, so there's that, but still. The ones on board with Trump absolutely worship that moron.

This was the plan in 2016 when they came into election day thinking he would lose. Deny losing, deny reality, start Trump TV, and reap the profits. Build your cult of personality that way.

We've added some more steps but the idea was always there.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 13:47

Axetrain: Sep 14, 2007

Trump pulled off a surprise win when everyone was expecting President Hillary, which is probably why they have latched on to him to such a degree. Being a huge loud rear end in a top hat is a big plus in their eyes. Also like others have pointed out the loser stink isn�t really there since they�ve convinced themselves the election was robbed from him.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 13:50

th3t00t: Aug 14, 2007; GOOD CLEAN FOOTBALL

Apologies if I missed this earlier in the thread.

But does anyone have a link to video showing the �muzzle flash� allegedly coming from Jayland Walker�s car?

The only thing I�ve seen is a single still frame from security camera footage. Which shows absolutely nothing.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 14:11

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

1/6 owned. It kicked off a full six months of rending of garments and gnashing of teeth in the dying imperial core. Incredible content. 10/10.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 14:19

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK: Jan 26, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Looks like the buzz for Hillary 2024 is getting louder and harder to deny. The author is a former a advisor for Clinton so a)not a right wing plant like people like to claim b) he knows Hillary so is able to objectively speak on her abilities, not just regurgitate tired talking points.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3544103-now-more-than-ever-democrats-need-hillary-clinton/

quote:

Earlier this year, I co-authored a piece for The Wall Street Journal that argued that a perfect storm in the Democratic Party is making a once unfathomable scenario � a comeback for Hillary Clinton in 2024 � highly plausible.

Our reasoning was that President Biden�s low approval rating, doubt about his capacity to run again, Vice President Harris�s unpopularity, and the absence of another strong Democrat to lead the ticket have created a leadership vacuum within the party that only Clinton � as an experienced and politically savvy �change candidate� � can fill.

In light of the Supreme Court�s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade � upending decades of precedent and revoking a constitutional right that American women have enjoyed for half a century � the case for Clinton�s candidacy is even clearer.

Regardless of one�s own political affiliation or opinion of Clinton, the country knows her as an experienced politician and a champion of women�s rights. From her declaration at the United Nations in 1995 that �women�s rights are human rights� to being the first woman nominated as a major party�s candidate for president in 2016, she offers the exact type of leadership that the Democratic Party desperately needs.

Whether or not party leaders will admit it, Democrats know that they need to move on from Biden if they want to stay in the White House in 2024 and � even more importantly � have a fighting chance at building a sufficient enough majority in Congress to advance any element of their agenda going forward, including, and especially, codifying abortion rights.

Put another way, the stakes are simply too high for Democrats to remain on this slowly sinking ship.
Democrats are headed for a blowout loss in November, even worse than in 1994 and 2010 � the two worst midterm election years for the party in recent history � when they lost 53 and 63 seats, respectively, per Gallup�s analysis of four key national mood indicators.

Indeed, Biden�s approval rating is lower than both Obama�s and Clinton�s at the same points in their presidencies, and Americans in 2022 are less satisfied with the direction of the country, more negative about the economy and more disapproving of Congress.

Polls generally show Republicans with a lead of at least 2 or 3 points in the 2022 generic vote for Congress. This advantage would likely give the GOP a solid majority in the House � considering the favorable Republican rulings in redistricting litigation in key states as well as the likelihood that Republican turnout will be even higher than most pollsters are currently accounting for.

While Biden was the right person to defeat former President Trump in 2020, he is clearly not the right person to lead the Democratic Party going forward � as only 36 percent of Democrats believe that Biden gives them the best chance to win the presidency in 2024, per recent polling.

To be sure, Democrats� confidence in Biden will only decline further after the party experiences a shellacking in the midterm elections. These voters will be looking for a change candidate who is experienced, effective, savvy and committed to the issues they care most about � namely, women�s rights and civil rights.

At that point, Clinton will have a unique opportunity to position herself as an experienced candidate capable of leading Democrats on a more successful path who will also fight � as she has done her entire career � for women�s rights.

As John Ellis wrote this week, �The Supreme Court�s decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade creates the opening for Hillary Clinton to get out of stealth mode and start down the path toward declaring her candidacy for the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination.�

Based on her latest public statements, it�s clear that Clinton not only recognizes her position as a potential front-runner but also is setting up a process to gauge whether or not she should pursue the presidency once more.

Repositioning herself in the national spotlight, Clinton spoke this week at the Aspen Ideas Festival and bashed the overturning of Roe v. Wade as �the most arrogant misreading of history in law that you could ever find� and a decision that is �rolling the clock back on our civil rights, our human rights.�

Moreover, in a separate interview earlier in the week, Clinton refused to rule out a 2024 run.

Aside from Clinton, the Democratic Party lacks any other rising stars who could take the torch from Biden � if he chooses not to run � and win in a general election. The most natural successor would be Harris. However, Harris is even more unpopular than Biden and would almost guarantee a Republican victory in 2024.

Further, Harris�s response to Roe being overturned missed the mark, as she was widely criticized for trying to make the case that abortion access will greatly impact America�s sons.

Ultimately, Clinton is the only prominent Democrat with the experience, the campaign infrastructure, the political know-how and the proven track record who can win a general election.

As Fox News Channel�s Juan Williams wrote earlier this week, �Democrats need a strong voice ready to fight to restore women�s rights, now that the Supreme Court has struck down Roe v. Wade. There�s only one Hillary Clinton.�

If Democrats want a chance at winning the presidency in 2024, Clinton is � now more than ever � their best chance.

I know posters in this forum don�t like Hillary Clinton but she�s the only Democrat with enough talent and experience to take control of this sinking ship. That�s just the facts.

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# ? Jul 4, 2022 14:35

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

Looks like the buzz for Hillary 2024 is getting louder and harder to deny. The author is a former a advisor for Clinton so a)not a right wing plant like people like to claim b) he knows Hillary so is able to objectively speak on her abilities, not just regurgitate tired talking points.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3544103-now-more-than-ever-democrats-need-hillary-clinton/

I know posters in this forum don’t like Hillary Clinton but she’s the only Democrat with enough talent and experience to take control of this sinking ship. That’s just the facts.

She actually was once given total control of the sinking ship, along with a $1.6 billion dollar budget, and all her experience and talent managed to do was make it sink 10x as fast.

# ? Jul 4, 2022 14:44

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK: Jan 26, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

is pepsi ok posted:

She actually was once given total control of the sinking ship, along with a $1.6 billion dollar budget, and all her experience and talent managed to do was make it sink 10x as fast.

That was eight years ago, times are different now. She�s ready to meet the moment!

I think voters will look around and realize what could have been if Hillary would have won in 2016. Competent COVID response, legal abortion, etc etc. I don�t think they�ll make the same mistake this time .. do you?

# ? Jul 4, 2022 14:54

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

I'm not sure what information value one is supposed to derive from a HRC staffer saying "you know what? I've looked at the field, and only Hillary can save us now". But OK.

FWIW I think HRC is probably about as likely to be the nominee as Biden.

Starting to like the Chapo guys prediction of JB Pritzker tho

# ? Jul 4, 2022 14:56

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

Hillary running again would be the only thing that would get me to re-register as a Democrat so I can vote for her in the primary and sit at home on general day.

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# ? Jul 4, 2022 14:58

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# ? May 23, 2024 10:19

Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

BiggerBoat posted:

Trump also has this bizarre political cult following the likes of which I have never ever seen.

I can't think of anyone who lost an election that still inspires millions of people to fly huge flags with their name on them and walk around in silly red hats. Occasionally, one might see a Romney of McCain bumper sticker here and there but nothing like this hero worship I see with Trump. I don't know what the flat percentage is for the true amount of these people but it's pretty high (at least around here) and simply astronomical for a person who was actually beaten in an election.

Of course, they don't think Donald actually lost, so there's that, but still. The ones on board with Trump absolutely worship that moron.

I do agree that there's a cult that will vote for him no matter what, and there's a lot of them. I don't think there will be enough of them for him to win the nomination, unless as someone else said the primary is once again a crazy clown car splitting the "someone else" vote 10 different ways. I think this time "someone else" voters will quickly choose one or two guys, and then Trump will lose.

As for the flags and bumper stickers, this is obviously a subjective attempt to explain crazy moron behavior, but I think a lot of those people are doing it just because they KNOW it angers the left, and triggering people who they despise brings them joy. However, when it comes time to actually vote for someone who they think can beat Biden, I think of lot of them will think "Trump is fun, but I actually want to win this time". I hope not, by all means go ahead and pick the guy who just barely beat the worst candidate the Democrats have ever nominated and then followed that up by actually losing to Joe F'ing Biden.

Rigel fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 4, 2022

# ? Jul 4, 2022 15:05

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