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Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Elissimpark posted:

While this is somewhat true, there are legit, evidence-based reasons to avoid hospitals if you're expecting a pretty straightforward birth.

I'm all ears on how a first time (anti vax crystal clutching) mother can reasonably "expect" that.

Maybe I spent too many years as an EMT/medic. Because I've been on that call a few times already.

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run on sentience
Mar 22, 2022
I know completely non-woo people who have had home births with midwives. It's what they were comfortable with and went very well. It is riskier than doing so in a medical facility, but I really don't like to hear pregnant people being shamed for how and where they choose to give birth. Different beliefs, different bodies, different circumstances. If it's a high risk pregnancy and they are ignoring medical advice, or if in that post the house was just filthy covered in dog hair and poo poo, then sure that deserves some judgment.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

run on sentience posted:

I know completely non-woo people who have had home births with midwives. It's what they were comfortable with and went very well. It is riskier than doing so in a medical facility, but I really don't like to hear pregnant people being shamed for how and where they choose to give birth. Different beliefs, different bodies, different circumstances. If it's a high risk pregnancy and they are ignoring medical advice, or if in that post the house was just filthy covered in dog hair and poo poo, then sure that deserves some judgment.

Serious question, have you ever cleaned up after one of these that has gone wrong and known that it would have been a completely benign event if they were actually giving birth in a properly equipped and staffed care facility?

Because I'm 100% fine with shaming people for being willfully reckless. This isn't the old west frontier. We have easily accessible appropriate levels of care which in fact have reduced our infant mortality rate by quite a lot.

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).
Dear Prudence has the lowest stakes thing I've seen in a while.


quote:

Recently my brother-in-law told a “joke” about how the local supermarket chain must think his dead grandmother has an incredible appetite for a 107-year-old because he still uses her discount card (technically he keys in her old phone number) when he goes shopping.

This may seem like a low-key issue, but it really bothers my partner. After high school, she was on her own and worked for this supermarket for years while putting herself through college.
This job played a significant role in her growth into the person she is today. She considers many of her former coworkers like de facto family members. So, to this day, she remains fiercely loyal to this chain.

She says it’s considered fraud to use someone else’s discount card because it creates bad data for the supermarket’s marketing purposes, especially if someone else has been assigned that phone number and applied for a card. When she explained this to my brother-in-law, he dismissed her concern as unimportant. My sister also didn’t see why this was a big deal. I think the big deal is it bothers my partner. How hard is it to get your own discount card? It’s a small thing he could do out of concern for a family member. Am I wrong for being so miffed about this?

I've actually had the cashier ask to use my card for a little old lady who forgot hers/didn't have one. I got the fuel points, she got the discounts, everyone was happy.

big dyke energy
Jul 29, 2006

Football? Yaaaay
Your partner's a loving cop.

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.


blackmet posted:

Dear Prudence has the lowest stakes thing I've seen in a while.

I've actually had the cashier ask to use my card for a little old lady who forgot hers/didn't have one. I got the fuel points, she got the discounts, everyone was happy.

You monster. You swine. Have you for one second thought about that supermarkets marketing department

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

big dyke energy posted:

Your partner's a loving cop.

Even worse: a MARKETING COP

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat
AITA For Not Letting My Sister in Law Wear My Wedding Dress to Prom?

quote:

I (25F) got married to my husband (24M) a year ago. He has a sister (16F). I went a little non traditional with my dress. I got a big light yellow dress, and a beautiful strapy top with lace. The dress was gorgeous, and of course very expensive. This was definitely my dream dress.

His family isn’t particularly well off, but they’re certainly not poor or lower income. So when they told me at a family dinner that they were having trouble finding an affordable dress for her, I was a little surprised, but gave suggestions like looking at ebay, goodwills website, ect. In my younger days I did pageants and we always resold the dress after at a good discount. They told me they looked but didn’t find anything they like. I told them I hope ‘the dress’ would come up soon.
Two weeks passed and we get invited to dinner again at their house. We show up and immediately his sister starts moping. I assume she had a bad day at school and sit down to eat. Then my MIL explained to me she was upset because prom was in 3 days and she still had no dress. I expressed my condolences, and told her that I could maybe help her have some last looks around. That’s when MIL said “Oh, I have an idea, (my name), why don’t you let (SIL) wear your yellow dress. I could probably get it tailored in time.” My SIL immediately perked up - and I felt like I was ambushed. I looked to my husband but he just shrugged. I politely told them I was sorry, but the dress was very special to me, and also SIL and I are quite different sizes. It would fall off her.

MIL then told me she knows a “wonderful seamstress” who could make it fit. Which really upset me, I asked her “What if I ever want to try it on again? it wouldn’t fit me. Even if I lost weight my bust would never fit in a dress tailored to fit her.” SIL ended up busting into tears, I’m not sure if it was because of me saying no - or me talking about our bodies. My husband and I ended up leaving early. He was very upset with me for not sharing the dress, but said ultimately it was my decision. His family on the other hand was livid with me.

They went radio silent until I saw a post of SIL on Facebook in a beautiful blue dress. I commented saying I’m glad she got a dress, she looked great, and I hope she had a good time - and I got a comment back asking me for my portion of the dress. They have now told my husband I am responsible for either reselling the dress and getting them half back since I have experience with that, or help pay for half. I told them that was ridiculous, but my husband told me to just do it. I told him I’m not going to be pushed over, and he ended up leaving for three days to his moms. Now I am no longer invited to family dinners or functions, and they only have nasty things to say about me. Saying I almost ruined her prom night. AITA? Should I have just let her wear the dress, or at the very least helped them sell it? At this point since my husband isn’t even on my side, I don’t know.

just when i thought the entitlement had peaked that last paragraph came up. have fun with your new family, OP

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

big dyke energy posted:

Your partner's a loving cop.

I was like "He's a security specialist, thank you." Because that is literally what he does.

Then I realized you were talking about the letter writer.

Hauki
May 11, 2010


Motronic posted:

Serious question, have you ever cleaned up after one of these that has gone wrong and known that it would have been a completely benign event if they were actually giving birth in a properly equipped and staffed care facility?

Because I'm 100% fine with shaming people for being willfully reckless. This isn't the old west frontier. We have easily accessible appropriate levels of care which in fact have reduced our infant mortality rate by quite a lot.

meanwhile, in America,

gay frog chemicals
May 27, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Honestly I might not trust American doctors all that much more than a doula considering the rate of unnecessary c-sections performed in general and specifically on black women.

bltzn
Oct 26, 2020

For the record I do not have a foot fetish.

blackmet posted:

She says it’s considered fraud to use someone else’s discount card because it creates bad data for the supermarket’s marketing purposes,

lol

won't somebody please think of the marketing department! :cry:

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Motronic posted:

Serious question, have you ever cleaned up after one of these that has gone wrong and known that it would have been a completely benign event if they were actually giving birth in a properly equipped and staffed care facility?

Because I'm 100% fine with shaming people for being willfully reckless. This isn't the old west frontier. We have easily accessible appropriate levels of care which in fact have reduced our infant mortality rate by quite a lot.

I genuinely love someone getting all "HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED A DEAD BABY IN THE FACE KNOWING YOU KILLED THEM BY NOT FORCING SOMEONE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL???" when we're talking about (assumedly at least) American births. Don't look up stats for mortality in hospital births here, and super especially don't sort by race/income!

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

sexpig by night posted:

I genuinely love someone getting all "HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED A DEAD BABY IN THE FACE KNOWING YOU KILLED THEM BY NOT FORCING SOMEONE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL???" when we're talking about (assumedly at least) American births. Don't look up stats for mortality in hospital births here, and super especially don't sort by race/income!

I did, and was amazed
https://www.nber.org/bah/2015no1/why-infant-mortality-higher-us-europe

Barudak
May 7, 2007

bltzn posted:

lol

won't somebody please think of the marketing department! :cry:

The marketing department does not give one hot gay gently caress, because to them grandma could have become a syndicate of sentient space slugs as long as they can track her purchases and determine what she'd want next.

Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Foo Diddley posted:

AITA for cancelling the family trip after I found out that my wife cancelled my son's ticket?


Love it when the trash takes itself out; hope it stays that way.

This doesn't apply here because the stepmother treated the boys well for a while, at least until they were married -- maybe it's because I'm a divorced dad who found a wife who's also a kick-rear end stepmom and wouldn't have brought her into my daughter's life and kept her there if I didn't think she'd be a net positive for my daughter, but I'm usually more pissed off at the birth parent than the stepparent in these stories. The latter may be selfish and shallow, but the former is making the active choice to accept that over their own children, which is more selfish and shallower by a significant degree.

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

Barudak posted:

The marketing department does not give one hot gay gently caress, because to them grandma could have become a syndicate of sentient space slugs as long as they can track her purchases and determine what she'd want next.

I still use my mom's card at Food Lion, and she's been dead for 9 years.

Silly Newbie
Jul 25, 2007
How do I?

sexpig by night posted:

I genuinely love someone getting all "HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED A DEAD BABY IN THE FACE KNOWING YOU KILLED THEM BY NOT FORCING SOMEONE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL???" when we're talking about (assumedly at least) American births. Don't look up stats for mortality in hospital births here, and super especially don't sort by race/income!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35108404/

Out of hospital births seem to be more dangerous in the US.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat

otoh, giving birth in your bathtub won't bankrupt you, so it's impossible to say which is better

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Stories about how doctors dismiss and downplay women's concerns are incredibly loving common and yeah I don't blame women for losing trust in the system. Sure a hospital is safer, but having to pay a fortune while also worring about a doctor doing uneccessary operations such as stiching up your crotch so its ~more fuckable~ after childbirth is pretty scary.


https://www.healthline.com/health-news/husband-stitch-is-not-just-myth

gay frog chemicals
May 27, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Xun posted:

Stories about how doctors dismiss and downplay women's concerns are incredibly loving common and yeah I don't blame women for losing trust in the system. Sure a hospital is safer, but having to pay a fortune while also worring about a doctor doing uneccessary operations such as stiching up your crotch so its ~more fuckable~ after childbirth is pretty scary.


https://www.healthline.com/health-news/husband-stitch-is-not-just-myth

Yeah I really can't imagine any reason someone wouldn't want to be subject to an abusive and extractive medical system to facilitate a process that's been happening for literally 200 million years, they must just be stupid hippies.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat

Xun posted:

Stories about how doctors dismiss and downplay women's concerns are incredibly loving common and yeah I don't blame women for losing trust in the system. Sure a hospital is safer, but having to pay a fortune while also worring about a doctor doing uneccessary operations such as stiching up your crotch so its ~more fuckable~ after childbirth is pretty scary.


https://www.healthline.com/health-news/husband-stitch-is-not-just-myth

wasn't there a story in one of these threads about a husband who got himself thrown out of the delivery room for requesting that?

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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Foo Diddley posted:

wasn't there a story in one of these threads about a husband who got himself thrown out of the delivery room for requesting that?

Tragically, my husband was suddenly replaced with a rapidly-dispersing red mist shortly after my child was born. Yes, it's very sad.

Kuiperdolin
Sep 5, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

gay frog chemicals posted:

Yeah I really can't imagine any reason someone wouldn't want to be subject to an abusive and extractive medical system to facilitate a process that's been happening for literally 200 million years, they must just be stupid hippies.

Do you have an opinion about vaccines

gay frog chemicals
May 27, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
They're safe and effective and usually free, unlike most of the American medical establishment.

Truly it is every pregnant woman's duty to be unnecessarily cut open and have their abdominal muscles damaged so that their profit driven hospital can charge extra money to their insurance company, which might tell them to get hosed and pay the $50k themselves. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a conspiracy theorist.

gay frog chemicals fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jul 5, 2022

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

I can fit 3 whole bud light cans now, ask me how!

Brawnfire posted:

Tragically, my husband was suddenly replaced with a rapidly-dispersing red mist shortly after my child was born. Yes, it's very sad.

No body, no crime.

Case closed as a missing persons.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

DeeplyConcerned posted:

No body, no crime.

Case closed as a missing persons.

That's what habeas corpus means, right?

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp
I (and my mother) literally would have died if she hadn't been in a hospital when I was born, so

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
I kramered out my mom like six weeks early and had to spend a few weeks in an incubator, but I'm also Canadian so the hospital was an easy choice for my parents

run on sentience
Mar 22, 2022
I didn't mean to cause a derail about such an awful subject but some of the stuff mentioned is what I'm talking about when I say it's not fair to judge people who have home births as crazy. I'll shut up after this but to add a couple more examples, where I live many women are still coerced to consent to sterilization after the baby is born. Some babies are taken immediately upon birth and the mother needs to prove she can take care of it. This happens mainly to people who have had mental health or addictions issues who are flagged and it's also just sometimes plain old racial profiling. It happens way disproportionately to indigenous women because Canada has never stopped stealing indigenous children from their communities. Edit to add link https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/birth-alerts-manitoba-data-1.6477872

run on sentience fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jul 5, 2022

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Pigsfeet on Rye posted:

I still use my mom's card at Food Lion, and she's been dead for 9 years.

I just got off the phone with the FBI, they assured me that they would look into it before hanging up. They were laughing, I presume because of how much trouble you're in!!!

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.
Post content pls and thx u

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Im trying to imagine a single person in marketing who gives a poo poo about what they do outside of whatever baseline is necessary to draw salary and I can't do it, the impossible can't be imagined

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Seth Pecksniff posted:

Post content pls and thx u

Is this content for a regular occasion or for a wedding?

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
AITA for giving my husband’s car a flat tire because I didn’t want him to go on a trip with his friends?

quote:

I (31F) have a husband (33M) who has been planning a trip to California with his friends for the past month. I have been completely fine with the fact that they would be gone for 3 weeks up until 2 days before the trip. I told my husband that I didn’t feel comfortable staying home alone for 3 weeks while him and his friends were having fun in California, so I asked him if I could go. I thought he would have been okay with it, but he said no. I was shocked by this answer. He told me that him and his friends were planning the trip for a while and they can’t change the plans up by letting someone else go on such short notice. I was mad that he didn’t let me go, so the night before he was supposed to drive to airport, I snuck into the garage and used an air pump to release all of the air in one of his tires. The next morning when he was about to leave, he noticed that one of his tires were flat. He asked me if I knew what happened, and I told him that I flattened it because he didn’t let me go on the trip. He exploded by my statement, he said that I was an rear end in a top hat for being selfish and jealous that I couldn’t go on the trip. His friends couldn’t pick him up because they wouldn’t make it to the airport in time before the plane took off. He had to stay home and miss the trip. He stopped talking to me for a while after that. I feel like I didn’t do anything wrong but he says otherwise. AITA?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Soon to be ex-husband, I hope.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


AITA for telling my husband to stop changing the receipes?

quote:

My (30F) husband (33M) does majority of the cooking - like 90%. This is specifically because he’s a picky eater and I have given up cooking for him (I just clean up afterwards and watch the baby while he cooks).

Sometimes he would try to take receipes online or copy a dish we like - except he would change the receipes so that it’s “healthier”. It usually results in something that neither of us enjoys to eat. However, since he’s picky, he just doesn’t eat it - so then I get stuck with eating all of it since I don’t like to waste food.

(By modificaiton, I mean like cutting sugar by 75% and replacing white flour with wheat flour/almond flour. That level of subsitution/modification)

I told him to just stop trying to change the receipe - especially if it’s his first time making it. He called me ungrateful.

So was I the AH for suggesting him to stop modifying receipes to become healthier.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Absurd Alhazred posted:

AITA for giving my husband’s car a flat tire because I didn’t want him to go on a trip with his friends?

I want to yell fake but I've known people like this and the response to why did you do this is "well I didn't want to hurt him" and it dawns on you they mean physically.

Mx. posted:

AITA for telling my husband to stop changing the receipes?

Where is he getting his calories from if hes not eating dinner? Son a bitch has a side-course doesn't he? Probably a whole nother tasting menu across town.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


WIBTA if I refuse to move my wedding date even if it means my future MIL cannot attend?

quote:

I am marrying the love of my life in 2 weeks. For context, I have saved for this wedding for over a year, even before I proposed, because Janice ( my fiancée) wants to get married in Queenstown, NZ. Kinda pricey but I believe she deserves it.

The problem occurred last night when FMIL and FFIL came for dinner and informed us that FMIL’s name was drawn yesterday for Jury service. And she’ll have to go to court everyday for 3 weeks. That means she won’t be able to attend our wedding. FMIL asked if we could move the date to accommodate her. Janice told her mum that it’ll be very expensive as everything has been paid for (approx. 60%). FFIL was adamant about changing the wedding date and even offered to pay for half the cost. We didn’t give them any answers when they left last night but Janice wants her mother to be there in our wedding.

This morning I called our wedding coordinator and she informed us that aside from the photographer, the rest of the vendors can’t accomodate our request. Everything’s non-refundable and moving the date 1 week later is impossible as they are fully booked. So our only option is to reschedule the wedding 9 months from now. Our honeymoon which is also non refundable is booked two days after the wedding. Janice and I talked about this and she said her mum is more important and she wants to move the date. I, on the other hand cannot afford half the expenses. My parents are scheduled to fly from my home country to attend our wedding and they will have to cancel plane tickets and hotel bookings (they plan to tour South Island before returning home) which are also non refundable. I want to tell Janice that we cannot move the date but even before I got the chance to tell her, she told me that if the situation was reversed and it was my mum who can’t make it, she would change the date without any hesitation.

Will I be an rear end in a top hat if I refuse to move the wedding date?

Edit. She was selected as one of the 12 Jurors. She couldn’t disclose any more information. Yes, she told the Judge but her request was declined as she was excused last time for medical reasons. We live in Auckland and my parents are flying in from Canberra.

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Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Mx. posted:

WIBTA if I refuse to move my wedding date even if it means my future MIL cannot attend?

I've been in the potential jury pool for a couple six month blocks now and my notices just said to notify them in writing ahead of time if I was going to be out of town, I'm kinda curious how universal that is. I never got checked on it, but I always sent in the notices well ahead of time.

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