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I feel like Thorek's moving back to Lustria
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Jul 5, 2022 13:19
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I hope tretch has a really powerful landmark to make up for both himself and his starting position.
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Jul 5, 2022 13:24
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The variety of potential enemies. Going to have a lot of fun getting owned by all new kinds of weirdos when playing Repanse or Alberic
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Jul 5, 2022 13:40
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Mustang posted:It got added in within the past couple of years, possibly with the Potion of Speed update? 99pct of germs posted:
Queek is going to be *pissed* when he cant put Skarbrand's skull on his trophy rack.
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I honestly think the Skaven have four of the top 10 hardest starts. Throt, Skrolk and Snikch are all surrounded by same-race LLs that can be expected to ally and murder them, while Queek is going to be right in the middle of Skarbrand, Imrik, Wurrzag, and possibly Grimgor (assuming he doesn't slide east)... with his only ally being Tretch, which is worse than nothing. I guess you can maybe hope to make nice with Khalida? On the other hand, Ikit will probably remain as the single easiest start in the game. Tretch also looks pretty quiet, at least until the Chaos Dwarves show up
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Going to make a prediction, Wurrzag moves to the lustria jungle to join his savage orc brethren.
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Also, Naggarond is looking real empty. I realize part of that is just luck of the draw in what factions have been revealed, but even if we assume there's Malakith, his mom, the Twilight sisters, and Khatep we're still just left with a bunch of elves and one miserable undead priest. My bet is that Cylostra will shift north to backfill for Alith Anar, and to get a wildcard Dwarf or even a Vampire Count.
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Sure would be a shame if Wurrzag and all the savage orks, like, died on their trip to Lustria and were never mentioned again. Either that or were changed from 'Zulus but green' to like literal neanderthals (but green).
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orangelex44 posted:Also, Naggarond is looking real empty. I realize part of that is just luck of the draw in what factions have been revealed, but even if we assume there's Malakith, his mom, the Twilight sisters, and Khatep we're still just left with a bunch of elves and one miserable undead priest. My bet is that Cylostra will shift north to backfill for Alith Anar, and to get a wildcard Dwarf or even a Vampire Count. Grombrindal is moving there in addition to getting his own faction according to today's blog post.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Going to make a prediction, Wurrzag moves to the lustria jungle to join his savage orc brethren. honestly i think they're gonna punt grimgrog into the darklands and keep wurrzag there for the southlands thunderdome
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orangelex44 posted:Also, Naggarond is looking real empty. I realize part of that is just luck of the draw in what factions have been revealed, but even if we assume there's Malakith, his mom, the Twilight sisters, and Khatep we're still just left with a bunch of elves and one miserable undead priest. My bet is that Cylostra will shift north to backfill for Alith Anar, and to get a wildcard Dwarf or even a Vampire Count. Taurox will probably still be there as well
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LostRook posted:Grombrindal is moving there in addition to getting his own faction according to today's blog post. Hopefully Grombrindal is somewhere within spitting distance of Ulthuan, because getting revenge for the war of the beard is one of his main shticks.
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https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tww3-ie-dedicated-factions/ -Be’lakor will lead a Warriors faction, with a unique mechanic where he can corrupt human lords into daemon princes, as well as the individual gods’ daemonic manifestations. He’ll start in Albion. All WoC factions will get a new “souls” resource for temporary buffs and daemon of reinforcements. -Volkmar will have a campaign involving sealing away the Books of Nagash and a Zeal mechanic to earn buffs. -Grombrindal will be taking the fight directly to the Dark Elves on Naggarond. -Ghorst is going to start near Nagashizzar. Not a lot of info. -Sigvald will get Slaanesh’s seduction mechanics. -Kholek starts north of the Mountains of Mourn. He wants to build or find some big monument, not a lot of info otherwise. -Vlad and Isabella will still be one faction. You’ll chose one to be the lord and the other will become a hero.
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Interested that Belakor is WOC and not with the daemon price. Also I hope Grombrindal has a better unique faction mechanic now.
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https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tww3-ie-dedicated-factions/quote:Vlad and Isabella Von Carstein – Sylvania: Unlike the other Legendary Lords, this power couple will be staying together in undead matrimony, but will be playable within the same campaign. If you choose Vlad as your Legendary Lord, Isabella will be automatically unlocked as a hero and vice versa. the mad lads did it. this is honestly super cool quote:Helman Ghorst – Caravan of Blue Roses: Ever clinging to the hope of discovering necromancies that could bring his brothers back to life, Helman Ghorst has moved eastwards in order to be closer to the coveted Nagashizzar fortress. I didn't think he'd move to Silver Pinnacle but where else would be be that isn't there
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Dr Christmas posted:-Vlad and Isabella will still be one faction. You’ll chose one to be the lord and the other will become a hero. cool change
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hmmmmmmmquote:Vlad and Isabella Von Carstein – Sylvania quote:Volkmar the Grim – The Cult of Sigmar: Embarking on a pilgrimage of zealousness by abandoning the petty squabbles of the Elector Counts in favor of sealing away the abominable Books of Nagash, Volkmar now resides in the lower Southlands. Unlike the Tomb Kings and Mannfred Von Carstein, it’s not the books themselves that offer individual effects; rather, the act of sealing books away increases his Zeal, strengthening the boons and power granted to Volkmar. Mannfred joining in on the Bad-Southlands rumble perhaps?
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It makes sense with the timelines being fudged anyway. When Vlad and Isabella were around Manny was skulking around getting power instead of being loyal.Dramicus posted:Hopefully Grombrindal is somewhere within spitting distance of Ulthuan, because getting revenge for the war of the beard is one of his main shticks. I think he's the only one who remembers that Malekith actually started it.
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Wasn't Mannfred rooting around in the ruins of Lahmia at some point?
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The hints we're getting about the WoC rework there sound great. I can see why they put Be'lakor there instead of DoC as most people assumed. The part about "widest selection of chaos demons" implies the other lords get access to certain ones, which is nice to see confirmed.
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Honestly Queek starting in spitting distance of khorne isn't as dire as Settra or Wurrzag. Queek can quick tech to city level 3 and break out enough cheap stormvermin and warcrime units to hold his own, basically the same strategy he'd use against his old vortex start against all the sauruses known to man. Which brings up an interesting issue. Queek, Skrolk, and Trench don't get any fun gimmicks like the latter skaven lords got. I'd be interested if they got something to play with in their campaigns.
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Aranessas a mutant, maybe she can have the holy trifecta of humans? Dead humans, chaos humans and normies? All of whom wear pirate hats?
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Sigvald getting seduction and also Slaanesh daemons for his army sounds like it's going to be pretty fun. Even if it's only a small selection of them, having the Chaos Warriors as a solid line for the daemons to flow around will make for some fun play I think.
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There was a pretty good mod that gave Aranessa a human pirate roster, hopefully it gets carried over
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Praise the Dark Gods, the live team is working on things now.
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I wonder what they're going to do with Sarthorael. Maybe now that (presumably) all the playable Chaos lords start on the map he'll always lead the Chaos invasion if that's the late game crisis that shows up.
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LostRook posted:Grombrindal is moving there in addition to getting his own faction according to today's blog post. Called it! smug jeebus posted:Taurox will probably still be there as well Beastmen hardly count, they die so fast. Although I haven't played as much since their rework, so maybe that's different? Lucinice posted:Interested that Belakor is WOC and not with the daemon price. Also I hope Grombrindal has a better unique faction mechanic now. Sindai posted:The hints we're getting about the WoC rework there sound great. I can see why they put Be'lakor there instead of DoC as most people assumed. The part about "widest selection of chaos demons" implies the other lords get access to certain ones, which is nice to see confirmed. They probably don't want to figure out an entire tech tree for Demons, since that's all built into Daniel right now. Putting Bel'lakor into WoC, when they're remaking them anyway, seems like a simpler solution. Electronico6 posted:Mannfred joining in on the Bad-Southlands rumble perhaps? We can hope; Sylvania isn't big enough for two different LLs. 99pct of germs posted:oh man they're really going whole hog here and touching up all of this stuff I suspect the idea was that she's too cool of a character not to fit in somewhere, and the Coast had empty spots. I doubt she'll see any significant makeover until and unless the Coast at-large gets one, or maybe until Dogs of War adds in some better candidate units for crossover. It wouldn't work with any of the current humans.
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All of this sounds amazing. Be'lakor being able to corrupt lords and turn them into Daemon Princes, his start in Albion, the hints we're getting of WoC (including that it doesn't seem to be a horde anymore)... God drat that's gonna be a fun start. The power couple get the love they deserve! Vlad/Izzy is such a good change holy poo poo. Ghorst moved out somewhere near Nagashizzar (maybe the marshes of madness but who knows?), Manny might be starting somewhere down near Lahmia or somewhere in the Southlands AND he AND Volkmar are chasing down the books of nagash alongside the TKs?! WHAT Sigvald remains WoC but with a Slaanesh flair: he gets unit seduction, seductive influence, and even some Slaanesh daemons? (BTW, between him and Be'lakor it really sounds like WoC are getting access to at least some daemon units.) Can you loving imagine a front line of Chosen backed up by Heartseekers and Daemonettes?  PLUS he starts somewhere in the northwest, so he gets to gently caress with Malekith.Speaking of loving with Malekith: Grombrindal starts in loving Naggaroth?! THE WAR OF THE BEARD NEVER ENDED. That's going to be such a loving fun start. Tretch to Crookback makes sense and might give Grimgor a speed bump to run over. Queek is gonna get poo poo on by Skarbrand, though. Snikch and Throt are both doomed (Throt maybe slightly less so since Hell Pit's garrison is scary.) God there's so much goodness in this article. I'm glad CA is taking the time to really go all out on this. They could have just copied and pasted, but they're actually putting in effort.
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drat I might actually pick grombrindal if he starts within elf punching distance.
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I think throt could end up being a powerhouse start especially if kislev starts divided as it does in the ROC campaign. Its only appropriate that Belakor steals archaons thunder but I reckon the everchosen will get a big juicy overhaul from the sounds of things. Sarthorael would work well as a legendary lord or a legendary hero that you unlock while playing as WOC. Stick him behind a quest battle or something. WOC with deamon support sounds like a lot of fun, excited to see if WOC can access Chaos Dwarf stuff too.
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Gonkish posted:All of this sounds amazing. I'm thinking Mannfred gets moved to the Marshes of Madness. As that'll put him near the Southlands Ghorst is the one where there aren't a lot of spots east of Sylvannia that aren't Chaos Dwarf territory or already taken by another LL I do like that they're getting spicer with the positions now and giving us a better variety of starts
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Kazzah posted:I feel like Thorek's moving back to Lustria There's only one mountain province on the Lustria IE map if I'm not mistaken? In Vortex they had like 3 or so, so he had a little more room.
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If they keep Isabella's hero buffs, the change to have Vlad as a legendary hero will make her vampire stack even better. Vlad brings the siege attacker and can be the ground unit while Isabella and the vamp squad on the flying horses can do their thing without having to hide some skeletons or something in the corner.
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OwlFancier posted:drat I might actually pick grombrindal if he starts within elf punching distance. An early game where I get to roast elves sounds like a good-rear end time, unless they take away his Irondrakes in which case I'm boycotting the game
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I love all the changes so far. Plus, feels like they’re saving the biggest/best changes. I’m working through one final Skrolk SFO campaign in WH2 and then it’s all-in on IE.
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I wonder how Belakors corruption works mechanically and how it works with LLs or Immortal lords. I suspect it is something where you beat a lord and several turns later get the option to recruit a new Daemon Prince lord, while your normal lords can be recruited anytime, somewhat like Bloodline Kiss-recruited lords. Does it keep their levels when they come over? Do they die permanently as far as the original faction goes even with immortality? Presumably it doesn't work with LLs, which has some interesting interaction with the inevitable swarm of Mixu lords. Excited to see it though! E: also loving the sound of all the other changes. Moving Mannfredd, Ghorst, and Grombindal are all great, plus a Southlands Empire start with new mechanics owns too. And Vlad/Isabella is such a good change that has been begging to happen ever since they created legendary heroes. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Contrarian take; part of me dislikes this, actually. I rather liked being able to pick up a secondary legendary lord for Empire/Dorf/Vampires given I never picked Volkmar or Grom otherwise, although the additional starts are neat. A non-zero part of me is also absolutely dreading the two immovable objects of early game D/H elves and dwarves clashing and just shooting each other, forever. helman's spot was always extremely ignorable and a pain to wander up to deal with if he did become a bother so I'm glad he's loving off to somewhere neat
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