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Blue Footed Booby posted:Yeah absolutely. It's just...really obvious. It's not a hollow point, so either this cop was smart enough to not just pop a round out of the mag of their duty pistol and actually put some effort into it, or they roll with wadcutters on the reg. I'm not sure which would be sadder. Is that really "Free-styling"? Forcing undesireables to register themselves has a pretty well known historical basis. I wouldn't call it an agenda, more of a playbook for fascists and authoritarians.
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FizFashizzle posted:https://twitter.com/sharifajackson/status/1544167574837100544?s=21&t=PUOQM9c6SfnRmMwNoWtrfg Bullets, famously known for nestling neatly into the sides of hats with zero deformation and still attached to their casing. Imagine the contempt you need for everyone around you to even consider selling this story.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Ah, ok, thanks. I've got a respiratory infection and between the meds and the sleep deprivation I'm not firing on all cylinders. No worries, it's been doing the rounds and got me as well but I'm also just sort of waiting for him to actually announce something like that at this point only somehow even more cruel and evil.
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Bishyaler posted:Bullets, famously known for nestling neatly into the sides of hats with zero deformation and still attached to their casing. Imagine the contempt you need for everyone around you to even consider selling this story.
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bird food bathtub posted:Is that really "Free-styling"? Forcing undesireables to register themselves has a pretty well known historical basis. I wouldn't call it an agenda, more of a playbook for fascists and authoritarians. It's forcing everyone to register. So instead of, say, a registry of Jews, and everyone else is a not-Jew by inference, it could support persecution of whoever the people in power don't like. It's transparently a self-hoisting petard to a degree I'm not used to seeing, which is why it surprised me enough to bypass the usual dateline check.
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OK so this is coming from a position of moronic ignorance but is there really no rule that says people get to vote for the President? Like I see the Constitution says the several states shall send electors to Washington to pick the President or whatever but there was never a statute or anything saying "by the way, hold a popular vote to see which electors you send"? I know a lot of the stuff like that is technically just party rules and norms and whatnot but you'd think we would have written down "people get to vote for the President" explicitly on the books at some point.
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projecthalaxy posted:OK so this is coming from a position of moronic ignorance but is there really no rule that says people get to vote for the President? Like I see the Constitution says the several states shall send electors to Washington to pick the President or whatever but there was never a statute or anything saying "by the way, hold a popular vote to see which electors you send"? I know a lot of the stuff like that is technically just party rules and norms and whatnot but you'd think we would have written down "people get to vote for the President" explicitly on the books at some point. No, only a relative handful of people alive today have ever actually been permitted to vote for President, that spot on your ballot is basically a change.org petition that gets sent to the person representing your area who actually gets to cast the vote. Primaries are their own thing and run entirely in house to whatever rules the parties like. edit - I should specify that this is very much a macro level analysis of it and the nitty gritty is about as insane and convoluted as you'd imagine it would be in the core of a nation in decline Epic High Five fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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It is written down, in the laws and constitutions of the states. ISL is a purported legal hack that nullifies those
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projecthalaxy posted:OK so this is coming from a position of moronic ignorance but is there really no rule that says people get to vote for the President? Like I see the Constitution says the several states shall send electors to Washington to pick the President or whatever but there was never a statute or anything saying "by the way, hold a popular vote to see which electors you send"? I know a lot of the stuff like that is technically just party rules and norms and whatnot but you'd think we would have written down "people get to vote for the President" explicitly on the books at some point. After the past six years I'm more surprised when something I assumed to be codified into Constitutional law actually is codified into Constitutional law
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"Police false flag a shooting to start a stampede to make the Mayor and DA look bad" is already bad enough, but if they did that the same day as an actual mass shooting that got a lot of press hours earlier? Insane.
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haveblue posted:It is written down, in the laws and constitutions of the states. ISL is a purported legal hack that nullifies those Oh, I see. That makes sense, I forgot most of that stuff is state level. I muddled my way through one civics and government class in high school several years ago and I'm finding out most of the stuff in it was either incomplete or flat wrong. Toaster Beef posted:After the past six years I'm more surprised when something I assumed to be codified into Constitutional law actually is codified into Constitutional law Yeah this is about where I'm at lol.
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Here's an uncropped version of the photo with additional context, via a different local news outlet. timg'd because it's kinda big.quote:A photo supplied to NBC10 by John McNesby, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge No. 5 union, showed a bullet lodged in an officer's cap. Inside the cap was a memorial card for a Philadelphia police chaplain who recently died. People on social media are also claiming the cops said that it was a rifle round, but I think that's people mixing up their shooting news.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean that reporter immediately just tweeted out the photo uncritically so…. Yeah, the US media is slavering propaganda arm of the police state. selec posted:There’s no reforming them. You can’t trust the cops, they lie all the time, and they insist you remember all the times they did something right, and never bring up the times they hosed up. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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projecthalaxy posted:OK so this is coming from a position of moronic ignorance but is there really no rule that says people get to vote for the President? Like I see the Constitution says the several states shall send electors to Washington to pick the President or whatever but there was never a statute or anything saying "by the way, hold a popular vote to see which electors you send"? I know a lot of the stuff like that is technically just party rules and norms and whatnot but you'd think we would have written down "people get to vote for the President" explicitly on the books at some point. the original system was explicitly designed to avoid popular election of the President -- it is not written down for a reason. states just eventually decided that was a better way to do it than to appoint electors by some other manner. states had mostly settled on using popular vote to pick the electors by the 1830s but there was never any requirement that they do so.
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So I tried to trace my rights just for my own interest, as it relates to voting for President. The US Constitution as mentioned punts the whole thing to the states, the NM Constitution says any US Citizen who is resident within New Mexico can vote in all elections for local, county, state, and fed officials as controlled by the US and NM houses of legislature, and that those must be ballot elections held on the same day across the state. The legislature punted the entire process over to the NM Secretary of State, who currently decides that the Federal Electors shall be apportioned entirely to the party that wins a majority or plurality of the popular vote for President within New Mexico but I'm having trouble finding anything that says they can't decide like tomorrow that actually they'll just say who gets our electors themselves and lol at you.
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It is entirely legal for each state to scrap it's democratic election and have the governor or legislature select the electors. We are a fair weather democracy. Turns out it's a pretty bad idea.
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projecthalaxy posted:So I tried to trace my rights just for my own interest, as it relates to voting for President. The US Constitution as mentioned punts the whole thing to the states, the NM Constitution says any US Citizen who is resident within New Mexico can vote in all elections for local, county, state, and fed officials as controlled by the US and NM houses of legislature, and that those must be ballot elections held on the same day across the state. The legislature punted the entire process over to the NM Secretary of State, who currently decides that the Federal Electors shall be apportioned entirely to the party that wins a majority or plurality of the popular vote for President within New Mexico but I'm having trouble finding anything that says they can't decide like tomorrow that actually they'll just say who gets our electors themselves and lol at you. the only real check is that it probably has to be decided before the election happens, and it'd be unpopular to say "lol gently caress you we pick" before the election happens
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:the only real check is that it probably has to be decided before the election happens, and it'd be unpopular to say "lol gently caress you we pick" before the election happens Unpopular with who, the people still screaming that 2020 was stolen from Trump? They'll host celebrations when their leadership writes laws about "election security". That's how they'll know Italy didn't use satellites to hack the Dominion machines or what the gently caress ever. Every one else will be placated with the same bullshit Republicans have been doing for decades. Everyone pointing out how the laws can be abused will just be labeled fearmongers or soyboy cuck liberal commie traitors or whatever lies are convenient depending on timing and audience. It will all be 'emergency measures' that nobody would use that way and 'taken out of context' and so on. Then when those laws get used to declare the winner it's 50/50 in my mind whether it's just allowed to happen because "well that's what the book says it's totally legit" or whether there's a challenge that ends up before the Supreme Court and welp wouldn't ya know it that's just how the cookie crumbles you sore losers the people in robes said you lost. Now is the time to come together under our winner for the good of the nation to allow healing to begin.
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Toaster Beef posted:After the past six years I'm more surprised when something I assumed to be codified into Constitutional law actually is codified into Constitutional law it is explicitly in the constitution that people in the states get to vote for their senators but state laws have been crafted to allow state legislatures to override elections in cases of "fraud" (actually just the accusation of fraud) and the legislatures also want to attempt to deny the courts any authority when those laws are challenged. On top of that, because of the judges that have been appointed those states and federally, the courts might agree that state legislatures get to pick the winners/override boards of elections. It's blatantly unconstitutional but by the time all the challenges are settled, the elections will have been over for a while, congress critters might already be seated/congress will already be in session. The last line of defense is congress choosing not to seat those who "won" their elections via the state legislature choosing or else refusing to go along with new elections despite there being little-to-no evidence of fraud.
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projecthalaxy posted:So I tried to trace my rights just for my own interest, as it relates to voting for President. The US Constitution as mentioned punts the whole thing to the states, the NM Constitution says any US Citizen who is resident within New Mexico can vote in all elections for local, county, state, and fed officials as controlled by the US and NM houses of legislature, and that those must be ballot elections held on the same day across the state. The legislature punted the entire process over to the NM Secretary of State, who currently decides that the Federal Electors shall be apportioned entirely to the party that wins a majority or plurality of the popular vote for President within New Mexico but I'm having trouble finding anything that says they can't decide like tomorrow that actually they'll just say who gets our electors themselves and lol at you. bird food bathtub posted:Every one else will be placated with the same bullshit Republicans have been doing for decades. Everyone pointing out how the laws can be abused will just be labeled fearmongers or soyboy cuck liberal commie traitors or whatever lies are convenient depending on timing and audience. It will all be 'emergency measures' that nobody would use that way and 'taken out of context' and so on.
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Huh. Well that’s certainly unexpected. https://twitter.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1544377749309165569?s=21&t=PUOQM9c6SfnRmMwNoWtrfg These aren’t congressional subpoenas either.
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FizFashizzle posted:Huh. Well that’s certainly unexpected. Wonder if they were on a conference call. Also is the Georgia AG appointed or elected?
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Nessus posted:You don't have to do the legwork for them, you know It's not being done for them, they've been doing it for years now on their own. Also lest anyone think that the judgement of people like local election officials or attorneys general or boards of election and whatever, it all varies by state, might save us again there is a very specifically concerted effort targeting exactly those people to ensure the mistakes of the past are not repeated.
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Oracle posted:Wonder if they were on a conference call. Elected; the current one was appointed to fill a vacancy, then ran in and won election. He's up for reelection this year.
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Discendo Vox posted:Elected; the current one was appointed to fill a vacancy, then ran in and won election. He's up for reelection this year. Oof. He better finish up before November.
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Oracle posted:Oof. He better finish up before November. He's a conservative Republican, and he won his primary by a landslide in May. He actually resigned as head of RAGA in April over his disagreements with them about the 2020 election, which is genuinely quite the statement- both about his moral stance on the issue, and that he won the primary after doing it. edit: the governor who appointed him, Nathan Deal, appears to be an interesting case study- he's a corrupt scummy chud, but nowhere near as bad as Kemp, his successor. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Yeah absolutely. It's just...really obvious. It's not a hollow point, so either this cop was smart enough to not just pop a round out of the mag of their duty pistol and actually put some effort into it, or they roll with wadcutters on the reg. I'm not sure which would be sadder. "Left-wing college professors brainwashing your kids" has been a conservative boogeyman for at least half a century. As such, the intent of this move is fairly obvious: 1) collect statistics to support their claims that colleges are overrun by liberals and socialists who oppress the poor conservative minority 2) use that data as basis for a new round of culture war against universities, pressuring them to hire more conservative faculty and dismantle anti-bigotry policies and give preferential treatment to conservative groups projecthalaxy posted:OK so this is coming from a position of moronic ignorance but is there really no rule that says people get to vote for the President? Like I see the Constitution says the several states shall send electors to Washington to pick the President or whatever but there was never a statute or anything saying "by the way, hold a popular vote to see which electors you send"? I know a lot of the stuff like that is technically just party rules and norms and whatnot but you'd think we would have written down "people get to vote for the President" explicitly on the books at some point. That's correct. For the first couple decades of US history, many states didn't hold presidential elections at all - the state legislature directly picked the electors with no public input. There's nothing in the US Constitution that mandates a popular-vote election. Florida could pass a law today saying presidential elections are canceled and that the choice of electors rests in the hands of DeSantis. It's entirely legal.
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Main Paineframe posted:"Left-wing college professors brainwashing your kids" has been a conservative boogeyman for at least half a century. Just lie about your political views jeez. If you get caught out claim you had a conversion the night previously.
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Epic High Five posted:No, only a relative handful of people alive today have ever actually been permitted to vote for President, that spot on your ballot is basically a change.org petition that gets sent to the person representing your area who actually gets to cast the vote. notionally, somewhat like the senate, electors were designed to prevent an authoritarian buffoon from being swept to dictatorial power on the back of a populist wave how well that went is left as an exercise for the reader
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Partially that, but also to prevent a situation where the candidate supported by the large, populous, non-slave states would always win
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selec posted:Just lie about your political views jeez. The Salon article doesn't mention it, but the bill also has a provision that gives students the right to record professors without their knowledge or consent for the express purpose of making a complaint against that professor. There's also a bunch of other smaller things, like a provision reforming university disciplinary systems to have standards similar to those of real courtrooms, such as a presumption of innocence, a right to remain silent or plead the fifth, a statute of limitations, and a right for the accused to have a dedicated advisor who will have full access to advocate on their behalf and basically act as their lawyer. Overall, it's basically just a wishlist for right-wing firebrand students, turned into a bill and shoved through the legislature.
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Main Paineframe posted:The Salon article doesn't mention it, but the bill also has a provision that gives students the right to record professors without their knowledge or consent for the express purpose of making a complaint against that professor. That sounds like it may be FIRE legislation.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Meanwhile, in Florida: It's interesting to see DeSantis setting himself up to do the Bush throwback: "I'm a Culture War President." . The guy's entire playbook is just "Anti-Woke" memes. He actually signed an anti-vaccine bill from the small town of Brandon, Florida.
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New Monmouth polling out today:quote:More than 4 in 10 Americans (42%) say they are struggling to remain where they are financially. This is the first time since Monmouth started asking the question five years ago that the number topped 3 in 10 – the range in prior polls was 20% to 29%. Just under half (47%) say their current financial situation is basically stable and only 9% say it is improving. The high point for improving was 25% in April 2019. The number of people who say they are struggling has increased by 18 points since last year (from 24% to 42%), with that increase being fairly across the board when examining key demographic groups, including income, race, and partisanship[...]. Currently, reports of struggling financially come from 58% of those earning under $50,000 (up 18 points from June 2021), 35% of those earning $50,000-$100,000 (up 15 points), and 28% of those earning over $100,000 (up 18 points). Big yikes at the trajectory for this polling result:
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Despite the dislike for the President it seems it hasn't changed folks' opinions on what party they want in charge, which I find interesting. Folks can't be any more polarized than they already are? This probably isn't fully accounting for the Roe v Wade decision given that was on 6-24? Bellmaker fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Bellmaker posted:Despite the dislike for the President it seems it hasn't changed folks' opinions on what party they want in charge, which I find interesting. A lot of people who dislike Biden are probably democrats who think he isn't doing enough. He is hardly popular on these forums, but I am pretty sure most people here would prefer to have the democrats in control of congress.
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SimonChris posted:A lot of people who dislike Biden are probably democrats who think he isn't doing enough. It sure would be nice if those approve/disapprove metrics had a partisan indicator of why they approve or disapprove. My bet is that a significant number of Democrats are raking him in the gutter for apparent reasons.
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Bellmaker posted:Despite the dislike for the President it seems it hasn't changed folks' opinions on what party they want in charge, which I find interesting. I mean, yeah: the polarization has been p. much tracking fairly evenly for the generic congressional ballot, outside of a couple outlier polls that give either R or D the edge. Liberal pundits keep predicting that NOW things will change (post-Dobbs or post-Uvalde or post-1/6 hearings) but polling seems to disagree. But I'm thinking that generic congressional polling is fairly meaningless for predicting results for individual congressional districts, given the gerrymandering that seems to be increasing every decade, and also that representative races are so district-specific that generic polling doesn't really capture voting sentiment. It might augur a less-fatal Senate result for Dems in November, but I haven't seen anyone predict anything for the House other than a major Dem defeat. Plus, as the poll describes, any elevation of abortion as an issue of importance has happened among Dem voters, and I'm guessing that most of those voters are also already likely to vote. I don't think that there's dislike of Biden personally; his favorability ratings are higher than his job-approval ratings, and my guess is that most people who voted for him just don't think he's up to the job anymore--a whopping 71 percent of all voters don't think he should run for reelection, according to last week's Harvard-Harris poll. This is why I strongly believe that he'll eventually be talked out of reelection: obviously, a huge chunk of the people who voted for him in 2020 don't think he should run again; this is pretty rare, although it may have been the case with LBJ and/or Carter. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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Prepare for a round of watch out for quiet kids they are the real problem not the white nationalism rounds in the media. https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/illinois-shooting-july-fourth-parade-07-05-22/index.htmlquote:Former classmates describe Highland Park shooting suspect as withdrawn and odd
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Second verse, same as the first. The shooter apparently had 16 knives seized in 2019 after threatening to kill his entire family. His family didn't want to have him committed to a mental health facility (which would have banned him from buying a gun for 5 years). Not sure how in the world his family is still saying that "there were no signs" that he had violent tendencies. https://twitter.com/KeenanWRAL/status/1544421767673888769 The death toll has risen to 7 confirmed deaths, 26 confirmed injuries, and 3 people still in critical condition. Also, two of the seven people killed were both the parents of a two year old that is now orphaned. https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1544431624770797575
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