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What’s weird is Hawkeyes dialogue implies if the media found out about it it would be a scandal….which implies it would be seen as bad
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Isn't Polaris also Pietro's sister ?
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Skwirl posted:Isn't Polaris also Pietro's sister ? So initially no relationship. (They were both mutants.) Then Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are retconned into being Magneto's kids. They still aren't related at this point. Then some time around the late 90's Polaris is revealed to be Magneto's daughter. They are now half-siblings. Then just around Sixis happens and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are retconned to no longer be Magnetos kids. So they are back to not being related. Then this year the Trial of Magneto miniseries comes out which I think retcons it again so that Magneto is Scarlet Witches father. So I suppose they are back to being half-siblings again.
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Jul 5, 2022 22:48
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The Question IRL posted:So initially no relationship. (They were both mutants.) Wait so Magneto is the Scarlet Witch's father but not Quicksilver's?
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Dawgstar posted:It's probably needless to say that even when written by Millar, the Cap and Wasp relationship was weird. Since Millar decided to... ha ha... revisit the Ant-Man domestic abuse thing Wasp just kind of winds up with Cap and they have absolutely nothing in common and to quote Pearl Forrester of MST3K, "It goes nowhere and features nothing." remember when hank uses his ant control powers to have his ants ~do nonspecific but extremely suggestive bad things~ to janet during a domestic spat because he was mad she zapped him https://i.imgur.com/KW19kg6.png Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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ImpAtom posted:Wait so Magneto is the Scarlet Witch's father but not Quicksilver's? Well it is unlikely but possible. (Spoilers) So basically in the Trial of Magneto, Scarlet Witch comes to Krakoa during the Hellfire Galla where humans are invited. This is a big deal because the Scarlet Witch has been elevated to Mutant Judy's Iscariot for the whole "No More Mutants" thing. During the story it was revealed that Professor X's resurrection machine has a copy of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver because for a time they were thought to be mutants. So the story starts off with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver as "not mutants/not Magnetos kids. But so close that everyone believed it." Scarlet Witch and Magneto hatch a very convoluted plot which is to fake Wandas death. Only Wanda concludes it would just be easier to for real kill herself and let her bring herself back to life with magic. Since she is that powerful. A lot of stuff happens and Wanda meets other versions of herself and blah blah blah. But in the end Wanda and Magnetos plan comes together which is that Wanda uses her magic to create a special Mutant only Heaven. Where Mutant souls can go to when they die and wait to be resurrected. Oh and people who were supposed to be mutants before they got reality zapped and mutants who existed before the Resurection machine were even built got to go there too. So it's a super Mutant only place. But Scarlet Witch can just go there, so now she is a Mutant? Maybe. Oh and to cast the spell, Wanda needed the children of the founders of Krakoa to get together to be the focus of the magic. Proteus (Moria MacTargart.) Legion (Charles Xaiver.) and Polaris (Magneto.) But it initially didn't work with Polaris so Wanda had to take her place. Which maybe means that Wanda is back to being Magnetos daughter again? The point is Wanda seems to powerful now that she could have just rewritten reality so she is a Mutant (and Magnetos daughter) again. But also powerful enough that she could do that for her but not for Quicksilver and at the same time still have them as Twins.
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Jul 5, 2022 23:58
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Iirc, it's more Wanda considers Magneto her father because he played that role in her life for so long and don't worry about the genetics.
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I cannot imagine being Polaris tbh Anytime you feel down, remember that at least you're not Lorna
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howe_sam posted:Iirc, it's more Wanda considers Magneto her father because he played that role in her life for so long and don't worry about the genetics. Yeah, Wanda had to do the spell and not Lorna because she had a stronger connection to Magneto. She didn't even really get resurrected by the mutants, once there was a body waiting she took over and did it herself. She just needed a run through the whole process to be able to work on it, because magic I guess. She's so powerful that death isn't really an issue for her anyway.
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God drat reality manipulators.
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ImpAtom posted:Wait so Magneto is the Scarlet Witch's father but not Quicksilver's?
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Gologle posted:I cannot imagine being Polaris tbh There's kind of a very telling scene in the last X-Factor series where Lorna straight up asks Magneto himself "What would you say my defining attribute is that doesn't relate to you" and Magneto's all "...uh."
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Dawgstar posted:There's kind of a very telling scene in the last X-Factor series where Lorna straight up asks Magneto himself "What would you say my defining attribute is that doesn't relate to you" and Magneto's all "...uh." Green hair, dated Havoc. C’mon Magneto it’s right there!
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The Question IRL posted:Well it is unlikely but possible. Much like Maria Hill, I hate the X-Men. And Beast.
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So here is the thing.... Wanda* is not supposed to be Magnetos biological daughter...but is supposed to be so closely connected to him that she can use that connection to build a secret mutant heaven. She is not a mutant....except her powers let her fool the super mutant resurrection machine. And be brought back to life by it. And she gets to go to her secret mutant heaven she built. And she is allowed on Krakoa. Basically she has all these personal exemptions that functionally make her a mutant. And her powers are so nebulous and wide ranging that they can be used to explain away any retcon a written wants. At this point you have to wonder, what is the point to her not being Magnetos mutant daughter? Is it to get her away from Magneto and the X-Verse? Well they went and pulled on that string a lot even after the Axis retcon. Is it to preserve the sanctity of those post-Axis stories? Well hardly anything came out of them. (A bait and switch story implying the High Evolutionary was her dad which was immediately walked back. A terrible scene with Vision at the end of that story talking about how he knew who her real dad was but it was too shocking for anyone to know....which he then got blown up and mind wiped so even Vision probably doesn't know. And the retcon from Axis itself which is so awful, the panels should be posted in the funny panels thread for people to laugh at.) Or do you keep it in for the behind the scenes reason behind the retcon, which was to decouple Wanda from the mutant side of Marvel and the legal mess there? Because while that was a concern back in 2013, in 2022 Disney own all the IPs. The more you break it down, the more the question becomes "What is the point in keeping Wanda no longer as Magneto's mutant daughter?" *= And for the purpose of this post it also sort of applies to Quicksilver.
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thetoughestbean posted:Green hair, dated Havoc. C’mon Magneto it’s right there! Maybe Magneto had green hair before it turned grey? And Summers Family Tree is complicated enough that he may well have dated Havoc too.
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Sonic the Hedgehog #50 is a really good milestone issue of the comic, but I love this sequence in particular. Some context: Dr Starline (the platypus guy, he can hypnotise people with his special glove) is an obsessed fanboy of Dr Eggman, he worked with Eggman briefly only to get disillusioned with how short sighted he is, no long term plans, just his current scheme and then trying something else when it fails. Then Eggman betrayed him. Since then Starline has been working on a long drawn-out plan to beat Eggman at his own game and show him what actual planning can do, which involved taking over Eggy's main base. Now they're having a mech battle.     
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The Question IRL posted:Along with other joyous bits like a Tony Stark/Black Widow sex tape being released, that all the Ultimates watch in their meeting room (which now looks strangely like Avengers Manor instead of the Triskelon.) where Tony is like "I definitely banged Natasha. And I would have had sex with her like this. But I didn't record this tape. Or leak it." Maybe Mystique was impersonating Tony?
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The Question IRL posted:So here is the thing.... The mutant resurrection machine isn't really a mutant-only machine, it would work for anyone with a cerebro backup.
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wiegieman posted:The mutant resurrection machine isn't really a mutant-only machine, it would work for anyone with a cerebro backup. I don't know if they ever said that. Because if it was the case that Mutants literally had a machine that could bring back your dead child but won't because "No Flatscans, PAL." then that right there is justification for every grieving person to join up to whatever group wants to build an army of Sentinals. I had to assume that since it involves Cerebro, the mutant detecting machine that it only worked on mutants.
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The Question IRL posted:I don't know if they ever said that. Because if it was the case that Mutants literally had a machine that could bring back your dead child but won't because "No Flatscans, PAL." then that right there is justification for every grieving person to join up to whatever group wants to build an army of Sentinals. It works on anyone but Cerebro only keeps records of mutants. Presumably Wanda or Franklin are in there because they were mistaken. Man the Franklin thing still pisses me off.
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ImpAtom posted:It works on anyone but Cerebro only keeps records of mutants. Presumably Wanda or Franklin are in there because they were mistaken. Wanda was on there, but it was an old copy from before it was revealed she wasn't a mutant, I presume the same for Franklin and Pietro.
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Don't you also need a DNA sample (courtesy of Mister Sinister) to grow into the clone?
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Party Boat posted:Don't you also need a DNA sample (courtesy of Mister Sinister) to grow into the clone?
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Party Boat posted:Don't you also need a DNA sample (courtesy of Mister Sinister) to grow into the clone? i mean it isn't exactly hard to get dna from a body, but also apparently telepaths can magically get your dna sequence
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Party Boat posted:Don't you also need a DNA sample (courtesy of Mister Sinister) to grow into the clone? I mean, when they were setting this up, there would have been no reason for Sinister to not grab samples from Wanda, Franklin and Pietro.
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ImpAtom posted:It works on anyone but Cerebro only keeps records of mutants. Presumably Wanda or Franklin are in there because they were mistaken. The fact that two of those three characters have powerful reality altering abilities so powerful that they can go "I'm a mutant. Always was, always will be." one day and decide the reverse the next and both statements be true I think has to play into it. (And Quicksilver being so close to Wanda means he could be covered by the same exception.) And in my head that's why they have backups of those three, is that the process must only work on mutants (even ones who can rewrite the rule book so they can be mutants when they want and not mutants when they don't want.) Just like how Krakoa knows to only let mutants in. If this system of resurection was designed in such a way that it could work on everybody but a decision was made to only let it work for the 1%? That right there is justification for having a world that hates and fears them.
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How to grow a mutant. Krakoa style. Egg (formerly Goldballs): Creates the egg. Proteus: Warps reality to make it viable to grow a body in. DNA is inserted. Tempus and Elixir use their powers to make it grow, and reach whatever age the body is meant to. Cerebro inserts brain data. During the process, Hope is synching and boosting everyone’s abilities.
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seems like you would want to figure out which are the really good mutants to have around and make a lot of them
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Just reality warp the whole thing.
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Spider man: Listen, my DNA was literally mutated by.... <Magneto ostentatiously controls a big stamp to put a comically large REJECTED on his application.> C'MON MAN, I TAUGHT AT YOUR SCHOOL. Cut to a bar where he's commiserating with Daredevil and Luke Cage
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Magneto is a good judge for that as his powers already work by just convincing himself that it does
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Are Cloak and Dagger allowed to be resurrected?
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Flesh Forge posted:seems like you would want to figure out which are the really good mutants to have around and make a lot of them Mister Sinister is sorta doing that, but with powers instead of whole mutants; he made a gun that uses cyclops' eyeballs as ammunition.
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Just cloning multiple Jamie Madroxes for shits and giggles. Also to annoy Quicksilver.
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Elissimpark posted:Just cloning multiple Jamie Madroxes for shits and giggles. I wonder if they'd be able to absorb each other's dupes.
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ManiacClown posted:I wonder if they'd be able to absorb each other's dupes. Dozens of Madroxes just slamming into each other at random. “Dammit! Anyone here also cloned at 2:35 pm on January 19th?”
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Disproportionation posted:Mister Sinister is sorta doing that, but with powers instead of whole mutants; he made a gun that uses cyclops' eyeballs as ammunition. This is amazing.
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Disproportionation posted:Mister Sinister is sorta doing that, but with powers instead of whole mutants; he made a gun that uses cyclops' eyeballs as ammunition. Sinister was doing semi-exactly that (because Sinister gonna Sinister, and fiddling with mutant DNA is like breathing to him/her/<insert unique identifier here>), back when there was a giant Victorian Sinister Funland under Frisco. I remember there being entire pens of knockoff Cyclopsii and Gambits. Now I'm kind of wondering if all the Summers/Grey Nth-dimensional spaghetti-code genetics is just Sinister loving with all the other Sinisters, and it's all an elaborate game of one-upsmanship played against him/her/<insert unique identifier here>-selves with no actual endgame beyond "LOL get gud"...
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The retro X-Men comic recently had an issue like that, he was loving with a simulated version of himself.
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