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I have a sonata hybrid and the interior's fine. Pretty much an "affordable" faux-luxury car. Infotainment runs Carplay/Android Auto so that's been a big plus. It's fun shifting between eco/normal/TURBOOOOO drives though all these Hyundai dealerships seem to suck rear end for official work.
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Get your wife a Mitsubishi mirage. It's a rebadged mitsu colt from 2002 somehow still in production. They wouldn't keep making it, if it weren't super reliable, right. At least you won't have
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Jul 3, 2022 20:31
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The good news is that there really aren’t any truly bad cars being built, except Mitsubishis, so just let your wife buy whatever the gently caress she wants within budget. Is Chrysler suddenly good?
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Hadlock posted:Get your wife a Mitsubishi mirage. It's a rebadged mitsu colt from 2002 somehow still in production. They wouldn't keep making it, if it weren't super reliable, right. At least you won't have Good if you don't wanna go through the hassle of divorce. 
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Jul 3, 2022 21:14
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Ambassadorofsodomy posted:Is Chrysler suddenly good? Chrysler doesn't make a bad car, do they? They have the Pacifica, which is a fine minivan that is competitive and not much less reliable than the rest of the field, and the Pacifica Hybrid, which is a decent PHEV.
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Ambassadorofsodomy posted:Is Chrysler suddenly good? Perhaps not "good," but mid-pack mediocre anyway. They're not much of an exception these days.
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Jul 3, 2022 21:18
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Twerk from Home posted:Chrysler doesn't make a bad car, do they? They have the Pacifica, which is a fine minivan that is competitive and not much less reliable than the rest of the field, and the Pacifica Hybrid, which is a decent PHEV. Is this one of those trick questions where we say their cars are bad but then it turns out nothing they still make is legally a car?
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Jul 3, 2022 21:20
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Ambassadorofsodomy posted:Is Chrysler suddenly good? I mean I probably wouldn’t buy a Cherokee for myself but I know three people who own them and they’ve been perfectly reliable. Anecdotes aren’t data but I guarantee if I knew three people who owned PT cruisers they would have had at least two catastrophic failures. The Pacifica is pretty good, and so is the 300. We’re post bad car now.
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Jul 3, 2022 21:22
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If someone said I had to drive a Stellantis joint I probably wouldn't openly weep after deciding on a Pacifica or a Charger. I'd be more enthusiastic than a Mitsubishi or Nissan at any rate.
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Jul 3, 2022 21:27
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Neon, PR Cruiser, Town & Country, 300M were all red hot sellers. Seems like every 5 years they trot out some crazy popular car, sells like hotcakes, saves the company then they fade back into relative obscurity. I don't think they sold a whole lot of the crossfire but I don't seem to recall anyone complaining about that one either
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Hadlock posted:Neon, PR Cruiser, Town & Country, 300M were all red hot sellers. Seems like every 5 years they trot out some crazy popular car, sells like hotcakes, saves the company then they fade back into relative obscurity. I don't think they sold a whole lot of the crossfire but I don't seem to recall anyone complaining about that one either K cars and minivans before the neon; 300C after the 300m. Viper in there as a halo. They never had the volume to compete with gm/ford (and honda/toyota) so they really got by on engineering and design; sometimes they cut too many corners. The crossfire was a sell the old slk benz tooling to the Americans for the balance sheet games, so a fairly mature platform.
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To me the biggest issue with Hyundai and Kia is the dealership experience. The cars are pretty good, but so many dealers are just poo poo.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I mean I probably wouldn’t buy a Cherokee for myself but I know three people who own them and they’ve been perfectly reliable. Anecdotes aren’t data but I guarantee if I knew three people who owned PT cruisers they would have had at least two catastrophic failures. Yeah I've kinda figured on various occasions "how bad can they really be"? But you hear so many stories, and like you said anecdotes aren't data, but when a company gets a reputation, good or bad, it takes a long time to change it. Like people still thinking Hyundai still makes crap.
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skipdogg posted:To me the biggest issue with Hyundai and Kia is the dealership experience. The cars are pretty good, but so many dealers are just poo poo. I've seen this mentioned a few times now. What is it about them that makes them worse than others? I test drove a Veloster about ten years ago and I can't recall anything particularly distasteful about the experience.
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AvesPKS posted:I've seen this mentioned a few times now. What is it about them that makes them worse than others?
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Jul 4, 2022 18:47
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What happened to Mitsubishi?
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Too small to keep up with capital investment required, hosed by being third wheel of nissan/renault partnership, hangover from Japanese corporate structural issues, recall coverups, etc. Their cars aren’t any worse than they were twenty years ago but everyone else has gotten better, and they were worse than they seemed at the time.
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Nitrox posted:Because Kia and Hyundai were considered lower tier cars for a very long time, they've attracted a certain type of scumbag dealer, you know the type. Cars have improved and gone upmarket, but those dealers are still garbage. But it's not hard to find a quality dealership in the age of the internet. That makes sense. I guess the biggest part is I've kept my face to face time to a minimum with dealerships anyway. When test driving you can't help but talk to them in person. But after that I didn't step foot into a dealership to purchase until I had my own financing secured, and we'd already agreed on a price for a specific car.
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This seems relevant to Hyundai/Kia chat: https://www.thedrive.com/guides-and-gear/if-you-own-a-2011-2019-hyundai-or-kia-you-might-be-eligible-for-a-free-engine
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quick question, is $60 a reasonable price for an oil change on my prius? this is my first hybrid and all my previous oil changes were around $30-$40.
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Mr Interweb posted:quick question, is $60 a reasonable price for an oil change on my prius? It's not outrageous. Depends on where you go. My dealer is 65 bucks for an oil change/tire rotation. Jiffy Lube charges 90 for an oil change in my area. Walmart will do it for 40.
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A few things are going to impact oil change prices: - Oil is expensive now, so prices went up across the board - Conventional vs synthetic vs blended is going to be the biggest factor. Synthetic is the most expensive (and is often required on turbocharged engines now, even on not-fast cars), but lasts the longest. Used to be that you needed an oil change every 3k miles. Now most cars are every 10k or 1 year on synthetic. - Some places just charge more because they make their money doing oil changes for people who want to show up without an appointment and not shop around. In general, 60 bucks is reasonable for a synthetic or synthetic blend, which I'm assuming the Prius takes. Look in your user manual. If it makes you feel better, I just got oil changes done on two of my cars and one was $120 and the other was $400.
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Change the Prius with correct spec oil, its slightly picky about it. $60 seems reasonableish for this era. I pay about that for a full synthetic change in the Golf at the dealership, and about twice that for the E39.
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yeah i've been calling everywhere around a 15 block radius and $60 is the cheapest, so i guess that'll do!KillHour posted:In general, 60 bucks is reasonable for a synthetic or synthetic blend, which I'm assuming the Prius takes. Look in your user manual. If it makes you feel better, I just got oil changes done on two of my cars and one was $120 and the other was $400. drat...why so much for the latter?
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Mr Interweb posted:yeah i've been calling everywhere around a 15 block radius and $60 is the cheapest, so i guess that'll do! Probably something high end-ish and German.
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Ambassadorofsodomy posted:Probably something high end-ish and German. i think it's technically british but it has a duratec 30 so it should get  prices
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i think it's technically british but it has a duratec 30 so it should get  V12 Aston Edit: This is still the coolest version of that engine though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossion_Q1 KillHour fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 7, 2022 |
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My 2-year service is coming up later this year. Apparently 800 CHF ($815) for a brake fluid change and pollen filter.
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Why are you changing your brake fluid after two years?
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KillHour posted:Why are you changing your brake fluid after two years? Most brake fluid is hygroscopic and absorbs water over time, decreasing performance.
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That is true but two years is not enough time to matter for anything you aren't taking to a track and I can't think of any manufacturer that would require it that soon. Something like Ferrari maybe?
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KillHour posted:That is true but two years is not enough time to matter for anything you aren't taking to a track and I can't think of any manufacturer that would require it that soon. Something like Ferrari maybe? welcome 2 the porsche experience
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:welcome 2 the porsche experience Oh that explains it. At least do the air cabin filter yourself - that takes 5 minutes to do in a parts store parking lot with no tools.
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kind of detracts from the porsche experience
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KillHour posted:Oh that explains it. At least do the air cabin filter yourself - that takes 5 minutes to do in a parts store parking lot with no tools. i wonder where the CAF is on a Taycan edit: lol https://rennlist.com/forums/taycan/1259681-2020-taycan-cabin-air-filter-change.html
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i wonder where the CAF is on a Taycan Lmao
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man that is way easier than a modern 5 series BMW, which is like 9 torx screws and having to squeeze underneath the dash to see and reach the last 4. I did it but it was a bit of a pita and required Simone Biles flexibility but with Dirk Nowitzki's arms. E90 was pretty easy and had like 7 bolts and E46 was easy as hell since it was only 3 hand twist locks and both of those cars filters were accessed from under the hood by the windscreen. https://www.europartsplus.com/bmw-f10-cabin-air-filter-replacement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SopLttt1rm4 might be worth the $225 next time (really like $185 since the filters are $40 to buy anyway) 
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The worst is the first gen Mazda 3, I swear.
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Yeah what are you guys saying lol for? That is a bog standard VAG cabin air filter change. Very similar on my Audi A4 but a little shittier on the Taycan. It's a bit of a pain but doesn't take more than 10 minutes, although if you screw it up you're gonna irreparably kink the filter shoving it into the car's tight bowels inside the dash. I am very bad / apprehensive at DIYing things but I forced myself to DIY the filter change, everybody should know how to do it on their car. Nice fresh air! I looked at the BMW process above and I can already tell I would bite the bullet and pay a shop to do it, but I am very lazy and bad with money when hiring out work. Inner Light fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jul 11, 2022 |
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Kia Soul Enthusias posted:The worst is the first gen Mazda 3, I swear. I looked that up once, went  and never loving did it on my MS3.Even that Taycan gets a  from me because why the gently caress can't you just leave the filter element straight? Both my old CR-V and my Canyon have super-easy no-tools-required filters.
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