vaporware as a business model?
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 14:44 |
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# ? Jun 4, 2024 03:06 |
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Beached Whale posted:Leading NFT market analyst with valuable insight into the cryptosphere these project names are really something https://twitter.com/NFT_GOD/status/1544321752691576834?s=20&t=vGIdRfRllJ1iHjFcQMsuGg
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 14:47 |
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Beached Whale posted:Leading NFT market analyst with valuable insight into the cryptosphere NFTs defined https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XgXRA7yORA
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 14:54 |
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LOL
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:01 |
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toiletbrush posted:What's the outlook for people with crypto and USD with Voyager? There's a dude going nuts in the reddit thread replying to every post that chapter 11 is totes normal day-to-day stuff for a business and that because Voyager themselves don't hold customer's money, customers will be able to get their money back, and its just the crypto that is gone. My understanding was that wasn't really true and it was spelled out in the fine print. Usually when crypto exchanges or funds detonate there is a hierarchy of repayment established with whatever funds they have left. The individual is always at the end of that list after Voyager is forced to repay official institutional obligations and their debts to other entities. Since this is a giant network of interconnected ponzi schemes going up in flames then voyager, as owing debt to 3ac, will probably be used to pay off 3ac's creditors in their bankrupcy. It's hard to tell since you have multiple interconnected terms of service from each indivudal ponzi scheme wrapped up in a dozen other ponzi schemes to varying degrees. Voyager was tied to 3AC that was tied to Celsius. Voyager probably dealt with Celsius. Grey Bitcoin deals with all of them. They probably all dealt with Luna. Some things are being considered assets in already established bankrupcies. When you have countless entities all printing their own currency to trade back and forth and leverage a bunch of interconnected debt then whatever actual money is involved might be spent 5 or six times as celsius uses a customer deposit to loan to 3AC who loans to Voyager. If all three declare bankrupcy that original depositor is not getting anything back. Maybe if Voyager somehow has more money than they owe and bankrupcy was declared for basically no reason other than some 4d chess move then they will pay off everyone and everyone will live happily ever after.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:03 |
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LifeSunDeath posted:these project names are really something It's a great demonstration of how little originality or creativity there is among cryptocultists.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:04 |
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notwithoutmyanus posted:TA usually relies on looking at a specific time series. It all rolls downhill like a waterfall from smallest to biggest timeframe, and now we're heading into weekly bearish metrics (believe it or not it's still been 100% bullish on weekly until after this week closes). notwithoutmyanus posted:If we close under 20kish
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:32 |
Darth TNT posted:Why don't these bankrupties seem to tank the price? You'd think with each confirmed bankruptcy more bankrun would happen. An accurate price for Bitcoin relies on a bunch of assumptions mostly around how markets work if they are operated in good faith. Now, as you may imagine, what if they aren't? Instead there is likely very little real money in crypto. The price remains high for people who are well connected to sell out. For retail investors, even with a high price, they can't sell if the exchange is never open to them, or goes tits up and closes shop.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:43 |
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Usually when crypto exchanges or funds detonate there is a hierarchy of repayment established with whatever funds they have left. The individual is always at the end of that list after Voyager is forced to repay official institutional obligations and their debts to other entities. the meme about millennials just passing the same $20 for aid around, except they built an entire financial system off it
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:45 |
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I love the unironic "NFT 'utility' is universally lovely and vaporous and that's a good thing, actually" take When hype of future mystery rewards is all you have the result is dozens of unenthusiastic ape holders chatting in circles at a LCD Soundsystem performance
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:50 |
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LifeSunDeath posted:these project names are really something At least three of those sound like slurs in some bad fantasy book.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:52 |
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Beached Whale posted:Leading NFT market analyst with valuable insight into the cryptosphere There was literally a Ducktales episode about that.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:53 |
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Since this is a giant network of interconnected ponzi schemes going up in flames then voyager, as owing debt to 3ac, will probably be used to pay off 3ac's creditors in their bankrupcy. toiletbrush posted:What's the outlook for people with crypto and USD with Voyager? There's a dude going nuts in the reddit thread replying to every post that chapter 11 is totes normal day-to-day stuff for a business and that because Voyager themselves don't hold customer's money, customers will be able to get their money back, and its just the crypto that is gone. My understanding was that wasn't really true and it was spelled out in the fine print. e: oh, and the bit about chapter 11 being "totes normal day-to-day stuff"? lol yeah I'm gonna climb out on a limb and say that any form of bankruptcy isn't a great omen about the future of a not-bank crypto exchange. Continuing your business operations through chapter 11 is one thing when you're an airline flying planes around the country, it's another thing when you're a exchange that can't conduct trading because you lost all your customers' money and shitcoins. Cat's out of the bag now on this particular not-bank being very bank-ish but also very much not actually a bank. Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jul 6, 2022 |
# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:57 |
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Blotto_Otter posted:You've got this backwards. 3AC owes hundreds of millions to Voyager, not the other way around. Voyager is bankrupt in large part because 3AC has not paid back any of the hundreds of millions owed to Voyager. This is true, with the caveat that X is likely to be much closer to 100 than 0.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:58 |
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toiletbrush posted:What's the outlook for people with crypto and USD with Voyager? There's a dude going nuts in the reddit thread replying to every post that chapter 11 is totes normal day-to-day stuff for a business and that because Voyager themselves don't hold customer's money, customers will be able to get their money back, and its just the crypto that is gone. My understanding was that wasn't really true and it was spelled out in the fine print. From their statement, which obviously could be bullshit and requires court approval, actual USD held by Voyager looks like it will be returned in full. Anyone who was holding crypto is only getting back some tiny piece of whatever Voyager has left, and getting worthless shares in Voyager, worthless Voyager tokens, and almost certainly worthless proceeds from whatever 3AC is able to pay back.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 15:58 |
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You have to admire the sheer gall at saying that it's more important to make up a load of bullshit about what your JPG project is going to do, than it is to actually deliver any of it.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 16:05 |
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Beached Whale posted:Leading NFT market analyst with valuable insight into the cryptosphere This is just an admission that everything anyone has tried to do with NFTs loving sucks poo poo.... so might as well just do scams!
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 16:13 |
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Durzel posted:You have to admire the sheer gall at saying that it's more important to make up a load of bullshit about what your JPG project is going to do, than it is to actually deliver any of it. The real nfts were the friends we made along the way.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 16:17 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:This is true, with the caveat that X is likely to be much closer to 100 than 0.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 16:24 |
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As an aside from the collapses and rugpulls, i found something in the A/T History thread about a time when people could just make their own coins, actual coins. I'll quote it here because the adviser's warnings from thousands of years ago seem on point for some of the unsolvable fundamental problems of cryptocurrency, like the impossibility of actually having a standard coin (as seen today where every miner is making their own as they see fit/profitable), people abandoning actual productivity to produce currency (which is mining in a nutshell, see also Filipino farm workers quitting their day job to grind cryptogames for cryptobro 'sponsors'), and the politically destabilizing effect of true decentralization of currency (that one hasn't happened because cryptocurrency isn't actually decentralized).Taishi Ci posted:Some currency bits from the Han dynasty to go with the earlier coinage talk: ngl punitive face tattoos for NFT shills might improve society somewhat
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 16:26 |
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https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1544701682101223424 lol, so that's the angle on Sam the Bankman's loans to places like Voyager: their loan to Voyager is smaller than their loan from Voyager. If Voyager can't pay them back, they can just offset that against the amount they owe Voyager (I think). e: or maybe that's not right? That bankruptcy lawyer just posted his follow up tweet. Maybe the Bankman's people assumed they could offset and that assumption might not be safe? https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1544705542694006784
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 16:31 |
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The Sausages posted:ngl punitive face tattoos for NFT shills might improve society somewhat they do it to themselves
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 16:32 |
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Wore my "gently caress NFTs" shirt out and about this morning. I'm doing my part!
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 16:45 |
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 17:09 |
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Blotto_Otter posted:
They actually *do* close at 12AM UTC. All the technical indicators calculate daily, so even if the market is traded 24x7 there is a time period - effectively. Which is why these manipulated markets pull a bunch of comedy bs seconds before a daily close. Weekly close on Sunday if it's under 22k would seal the deal.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 17:22 |
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Beached Whale posted:Leading NFT market analyst with valuable insight into the cryptosphere Lol “ever heard of a little company called Apple?” https://twitter.com/corralesofweb3/status/1544460010394030080?s=20
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 17:35 |
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Juul-Whip posted:Lol “ever heard of a little company called Apple?” Apple is pretty much the Goblintown of computers
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 17:57 |
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The Walrus posted:nah songs good and that was eminem with that line, which is good. you know you don't have to be the millennial rap version of a boomer insisting 90's rolling stones albums are actually good
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:02 |
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You guys may have heard of a little something called Nabisco. They didn't start out by making oreos. They started out with digital images of apes making GBS threads on their own sneakers. This made them the known brand they are today, not some loving fungible rear end food stuffs. What I'm saying is gently caress a product. The customers are the product. And no this is not a scam. You're a scam. Swipe to invest everything.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:05 |
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Swiped and my life savings are gone???? Hello??
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:07 |
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https://twitter.com/trevormil23/status/1544334464272187393?s=20&t=UihACYDL0YQW7UqnKDj5Ig
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:08 |
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Kennel posted:https://twitter.com/trevormil23/status/1544334464272187393?s=20&t=UihACYDL0YQW7UqnKDj5Ig
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:09 |
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Hooray! People are paying attention to me!
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:10 |
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Squiggle posted:Hooray! People are paying attention to me! OH poo poo YOU'RE REAL!?!?!
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:11 |
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And extremely fungible EDIT no, non-fungible. which one is the good one?
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:11 |
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Blue chip NFT predictions for August: - Borgle Sheeps - Cock Piss Elons - Inucats - The project where you can buy letters of the alphabet and get money from people who use them on the proprietary blockchain twitter - Mountain Dew
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:18 |
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Paladinus posted:Blue chip NFT predictions for August: with Borgle Sheeps you're betting on @donklelabs architecture, the smart money is on Z̴̮̩͋͗͛À̸̻͚̈́̇́̍̍̏̊͛̿̆̈́͠Ļ̶̡̥̪̦̞̞̩̘̪̅̎̓͐̎͗͆̂͜͝͝͝͝͠G̸̠͎͌̈́̄́̃̽̑̀̊̈́͆̽Ő̵͙̎̕͠͝ ̵̨̧̯̘̺̰̰̗̞̟͉̲̪͊̎̾̔̀̎̔͗̀̀͛̆͜Ĉ̶̫̻͍͛͊̀̿̿͋̓̚͘Ó̷̞̥̤̞̇͜Ĩ̷̢̢̛͖̲̰̍̌̀͆̾̋̾̈́͘͝ͅN̶̬͙̣̖̘͙̱͂̍̊͝
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:20 |
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poo poo, I was about to dump my bank account into Meeplebloops. Borgle Sheeps are definitely the better buy. God, that could have ended so poorly. E: Z̴̮̩͋͗͛À̸̻͚̈́̇́̍̍̏̊͛̿̆̈́͠Ļ̶̡̥̪̦̞̞̩̘̪̅̎̓͐̎͗͆̂͜͝͝͝͝͠G̸̠͎͌̈́̄́̃̽̑̀̊̈́͆̽Ő̵͙̎̕͠͝ ̵̨̧̯̘̺̰̰̗̞̟͉̲̪͊̎̾̔̀̎̔͗̀̀͛̆͜Ĉ̶̫̻͍͛͊̀̿̿͋̓̚͘Ó̷̞̥̤̞̇͜Ĩ̷̢̢̛͖̲̰̍̌̀͆̾̋̾̈́͘͝ͅN̶̬͙̣̖̘͙̱͂̍̊͝ sounds interesting, but I'd need to see the whitepaper first. I'm not just going to spend all my money on a possible rugpull.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:22 |
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Juul-Whip posted:Lol “ever heard of a little company called Apple?” Hmm I wonder what the story of crypto and NFTs is. Oh well I'm sure it's all super positive stuff from top to bottom!
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:27 |
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# ? Jun 4, 2024 03:06 |
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notwithoutmyanus posted:They actually *do* close at 12AM UTC. All the technical indicators calculate daily, so even if the market is traded 24x7 there is a time period - effectively. Which is why these manipulated markets pull a bunch of comedy bs seconds before a daily close. Weekly close on Sunday if it's under 22k would seal the deal.
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# ? Jul 6, 2022 18:30 |