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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Yeah I saw a dude do some on the DBZ game and the of digimon one. No idea the lads name

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thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Brocktoon posted:

Does anyone do videos on failed CCGs, particularly about their history/development/mechanics?

I remember there were a million of them in the late 90s post-Magic and always wondered how they played. (My brother had some card for a Simpsons CCG, though I remember nothing about it.)

Not sure why anyone even bothered making CCGs after the best one ever made was released - Vampire: The Eternal Struggle!

Kohdok is the guy you’re looking for. Guy has a series called Seven Deadly Sins of CCG Design talking about why most CCGs fail before two years, and talks about a whole bunch of weird little card games

https://youtu.be/JR2tVSC-sng

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Brocktoon posted:

Not sure why anyone even bothered making CCGs after the best one ever made was released - Vampire: The Eternal Struggle!
I still have like a miniature 60 page guide book on how to play that game.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Brocktoon posted:

Does anyone do videos on failed CCGs, particularly about their history/development/mechanics?

I remember there were a million of them in the late 90s post-Magic and always wondered how they played. (My brother had some card for a Simpsons CCG, though I remember nothing about it.)

Not sure why anyone even bothered making CCGs after the best one ever made was released - Vampire: The Eternal Struggle!

They never did make a CCG that good at playing with four people again.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
Cardgames peaked with YGO

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

DeafNote posted:

Cardgames peaked with YGO



Suships are cool. XYZ archetypes are probably my favorite. I like the birds that become bigger birds and the lesbian catholic ghost hunters that call out each other by name and then team up.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Brocktoon posted:

Does anyone do videos on failed CCGs, particularly about their history/development/mechanics?

I remember there were a million of them in the late 90s post-Magic and always wondered how they played. (My brother had some card for a Simpsons CCG, though I remember nothing about it.)

Not sure why anyone even bothered making CCGs after the best one ever made was released - Vampire: The Eternal Struggle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c?TCGHistory

Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.

Ghostlight posted:

I still have like a miniature 60 page guide book on how to play that game.

I have a ton of those! Everyone I know that played dumped their cards on me when they stopped, so now I have thousands of cards worth nothing and nobody to play them with. :smith:

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



I have like multiple full sets of Illuminati: New World Order, which I have managed to convince other people to play with me like twice, that I obtained solely by paying five bucks for a box full of unsold card packs from my local card place. Also some Christian-themed card game that I can't even get someone to play with me for a lark.

Shinji2015
Aug 31, 2007
Keen on the hygiene and on the mission like a super technician.

DeafNote posted:

Cardgames peaked with YGO



YGO has simultaneously the most flavor of any CCG and the worst rules

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Shinji2015 posted:

YGO has simultaneously the most flavor of any CCG and the worst rules

The rules have become ridiculously obtuse and hard to penetrate over time but there’s always something worse. Always.

I’d point to the myriad Star Wars tcgs and the Stat Trek tcg as being worse

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

thetoughestbean posted:

The rules have become ridiculously obtuse and hard to penetrate over time but there’s always something worse. Always.

I’d point to the myriad Star Wars tcgs and the Stat Trek tcg as being worse
The Star Wars CCG (ie the first card game with the IP) would introduce new rules in little inserts in every booster box, and this meant more dedicated players had to lug around a set of these for reference on top of the normal rules. And this wasn’t like, new keywords and things you might expect in Magic or elsewhere: these were usually wholly new cards with their own rules. Here’s a example of what each expansion added:

A New Hope: Event cards for blowing up planets or the Death Star, and creature card type for critters like Wampas, which play like normal character cards but have their own “habitat” and “AI” to determine movement and attack
Hoth: Had “shield generator rules” when the titular card was out. The card literally says “‘Hoth Energy Shields Rules’” in effect” and nothing else. Also had new rules for interior vs exterior playing of locations.
Dagobah: Jedi Tests, as series of tests to take any character from neophyte to Jedi Knight, complete with rules for the mentor, location, and how to pass the test. Introduced Jedi Master with Yoda, which isn’t super complicated (they generate more of the game’s resource) but isn’t explained on the card. Rules for the Executor, a ship so large it needed rules for its own location cards. Rules for Dagobah and travel as it was so far away. Rules for nee “sector” space locations such as asteroid fields which have their own rules. Rules for attaching parasitic creatures like mynocks to characters and a rule for Landing Claw, a SINGLE CARD ONLY AVAILABLE TO THE LIGHT SIDE. I’m not loving done yet: TIE bomber rules, site restrictions, Dagobah was insane.
Cloud City: Needed special rules for deploying “Clouds” which were basically sectors but not in space so literally Cloud Cars can travel through them. New rules for capturing enemy characters to facilitate bounty hunting, including escorting and carbonite freezing. Dedicated rules for Lando since he was the first unique character both Dark and Light sides had access. On top of that crossing over rules for when a character changes sides (mainly for when the Dark Side wins the Luke/Vader Duel card). A goddamn rule for Sabbac, space poker, and no the card does not just tell you how to play but just the parameters for poo poo like wild cards.
Jabba’s Palace: i swear I am almost done. Remember those exterior/interior rules in Hoth? gently caress those, because Jabba’s Palace needs special rules for his hideout. Rules for cards that were not unique but could only have X copies in play at once. Battlegrounds, a new location subtype applied to all prior locations where applicable. Starting Interrupt rules. And my favorite: a rule for determining the gender of your characters, which is determined by not just the rules text of the character, but also the card’s flavor text, title, and image and lore. Cards otherwise defaulted to male, because of loving course, but I think you could have a lot of fun arguing a rat alien is a woman or a named Jawa is non-binary because of a canon episode of the Bad Batch or whatever.

The next set, Special Edition, finally organized and condensed it all into a thick booklet included in the starter sets. And given this is the 90s, a lot of people didn’t have the internet or even a printer, so this was a very popular set for that booklet alone. You know, until the next set came along.

I still somehow have the booklet despite it being older than perhaps some of you posting in here. It is 144 pages long.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Kurtis Connor got married! I’m happy for him!

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

DeafNote posted:

Cardgames peaked with YGO



Was never a huge fan of YGO, but I always appreciated how they'd make cards out of loving anything.

Just heard the creator of the series was found dead this morning in an apparent snorkeling accident too, real bummer.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains

Framboise posted:

Was never a huge fan of YGO, but I always appreciated how they'd make cards out of loving anything.

Just heard the creator of the series was found dead this morning in an apparent snorkeling accident too, real bummer.

Yeah that sucks.
Apparently he only invented YGO in the manga as a way to vent about his experience with other cardgame enthusiasts? What a legend that ultimately left behind.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


The original manga was about a different game every week. When they tried the card game someone realized it had potential, and the whole thing was rebooted to being strictly about the cards. After the original series ended he was set for life afterwards and could just act as a consultant for the franchise afterwards.

Nobody did give a poo poo about that Dice Dungeon game they tried in one episode, huh?

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Yeah the original YGO manga was basically “what if we did Jojo’s, but every fight was a different version of the poker game”

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Though that's also just the first volume. So yu-gi-oh didn't used to be about the TCG is akin to how batman used to use guns in very early appearances.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains

Inspector Gesicht posted:

The original manga was about a different game every week. When they tried the card game someone realized it had potential, and the whole thing was rebooted to being strictly about the cards. After the original series ended he was set for life afterwards and could just act as a consultant for the franchise afterwards.

Nobody did give a poo poo about that Dice Dungeon game they tried in one episode, huh?

I mean they are printing cards from that game into YGO now, so it made some impact.


I also wish he could have had his fun with all of his creative games, but I dont mind the shift towards just Duel Monsters.

Series zero was a bad adaptation though.

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

I somehow fell into a hole watching a two hour video on the early Yu-Gi-Oh metagame. https://youtu.be/ZP61wUYPs_M
There's just something fascinating about the fanbase manage to create strategy out of a hastily cobbled together mess where most of the cards are completely useless even in the first set.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
Kind of odd coincidence YGO talk started when the manga author (and chief illustrator of the card game) passed away yesterday in a swimming accident

https://twitter.com/okinawa_nhk/status/1544939487062822913

Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.
Ah poo poo! I clicked on a video from a channel named Unsleeved Media, which turned out to be a side-channel for loving The Quartering so now my recs are hosed for eternity. gently caress you, YouTube!

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Brocktoon posted:

Ah poo poo! I clicked on a video from a channel named Unsleeved Media, which turned out to be a side-channel for loving The Quartering so now my recs are hosed for eternity. gently caress you, YouTube!

Yeah, that was his CCG channel that he spun up when he was banned from Magic for harassing a cosplayer. I always like this story because somebody at WotC on the ball decided to also ban his Magic On-line account so he was out several hundred dollars.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Brocktoon posted:

Ah poo poo! I clicked on a video from a channel named Unsleeved Media, which turned out to be a side-channel for loving The Quartering so now my recs are hosed for eternity. gently caress you, YouTube!

Go to your history. You can delete the video there.

(If you're on desktop you have to wait a little for the delete button to appear for some reason. Or maybe that's an interaction with my adblocker IDK. No idea how mobile works.)

rox
Sep 7, 2016

Puppy Time posted:

No idea how mobile works

library -> watch history -> 3 dots -> remove

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Brocktoon posted:

Does anyone do videos on failed CCGs, particularly about their history/development/mechanics?

I remember there were a million of them in the late 90s post-Magic and always wondered how they played. (My brother had some card for a Simpsons CCG, though I remember nothing about it.)

Not sure why anyone even bothered making CCGs after the best one ever made was released - Vampire: The Eternal Struggle!

V:tES got revived, again, recently.

Terrible Opinions posted:

Though that's also just the first volume. So yu-gi-oh didn't used to be about the TCG is akin to how batman used to use guns in very early appearances.

The card game took over in Volume 8 of the Manga (googled it to eb sure haha), although it had showed twice before in Kaiba-centric arcs.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


You can kind of tell in the manga when the card game actually became a real thing because all of a sudden there are rules.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
I am also impressed that YGO Abridged is still going (slowly due to LK's health but still)

Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.

MonsieurChoc posted:

V:tES got revived, again, recently.

Yeah, I know, but unfortunately I don’t know anyone who does or would play, and I have no interest in meeting with randos or going to a tournament, pandemic or otherwise.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

I haven't paid any attention to youtube's "shorts" thing (I actually installed a plugin to force all shorts to play like a normal youtube video) so my assumption was youtube just wanting to bite into tiktok's thing. I guess it was also an excuse to try and rip off creators.

https://twitter.com/ProZD/status/1545170394935463936

and that it's not even voluntary, it just auto turned vertical videos into shorts

https://twitter.com/ProZD/status/1545171334744772608

ol yeller
Feb 20, 2015
Phil's New Level 1 Podcast, great stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AymkcqkuZzQ

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Danny Gonzalez pointed out in a recent video that numbers on Shorts are completely bizarre. Like hundreds of million views on videos with like 90 comments.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

muscles like this! posted:

Danny Gonzalez pointed out in a recent video that numbers on Shorts are completely bizarre. Like hundreds of million views on videos with like 90 comments.

Probably because when a Short is playing the UI automatically changes to a completely different, completely dogshit one. On the extremely rare occasion I attempt to view a youtube short on mobile I have a hell of a time getting the thing to even play, let alone interact with it in any other way. It's like...

Step 1: Click youtube short
Step 2: Stare vacantly at thumbnail of video which is not the one you clicked on for a few seconds
Step 3: Realize whatever code they implemented to make it automatically play the next video after the first one ended is busted and it skipped the video you actually wanted to watch
Step 4: Look for a button to go back to the video you clicked on, then use your browser's back button when you figure out there isn't one
Step 5: Scan the frozen video thumbnail, looking for how to make it actually play
Step 6: Click the tiny play button which is inexplicably in the upper left corner of the video

So yeah, I can see why people aren't putting in the additional effort to leave a comment.

Ariong fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jul 8, 2022

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

ol yeller posted:

Phil's New Level 1 Podcast, great stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AymkcqkuZzQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj0N-GJZLMc phil ftw

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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He jerkin it in that video?

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

I thought DSP was dead

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

CelticPredator posted:

He jerkin it in that video?

No, that’s the one where he does an “unboxing” video on Lightning Returns and doesn’t even open the box because he spends twelve minutes complaining about his apartment’s fire alarm going off instead of just turning off the camera and evacuating the building because PHIL YOUR loving FIRE ALARM IS GOING OFF DO YOU HAVE NO SELF PRESENTATION INSTINCTS?

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Violen
Jul 25, 2009

ohoho~
nothing wrong with a gamer enjoying some gaming

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