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dissss posted:The Leaf is still available in two battery sizes - 40kWh and 62kWh. The larger one has the 215-226 mile EPA range, the smaller one only claims 149 to start with. 2020 was the first year for the pluses, so that checks out. Still, don't buy a new leaf in 2022, and there probably aren't a lot of leaf+ on the used market at a price you would want to pay.
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gwrtheyrn posted:Still, don't buy a new leaf in 2022, and there probably aren't a lot of leaf+ on the used market at a price you would want to pay. Yeah I agree. It's a shame though as the Leaf is still a great form factor - not too big externally but still reasonably spacious inside (at least compared to a Kona or Niro)
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The Leaf has far too big an arse.
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Why would anyone get an R1S when the EV hummer exists? Does the R1S even have T tops?
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Zero One posted:Ford's image is probably being hurt by this dealer but Ford didn't have anything to do with what they did. It's all on a lovely dealer. I strongly suspect the automakers have a lot more leverage over dealerships than people generally give them credit for. That doesn't make them directly responsible, but I still assign them some culpability.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I strongly suspect the automakers have a lot more leverage over dealerships than people generally give them credit for. That doesn't make them directly responsible, but I still assign them some culpability. While this is true, do you actually think there is a single car manufacturer out there that has an absolutely spotless record with regards to how their dealerships treat people? You can find an anecdote for every car maker where a dealership tried to screw over a buyer. It's a pretty useless way to give advice to a potential buyer. "Don't buy X, one of their dealerships treated me badly once" does not help anyone make an informed decision on which vehicle to purchase.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I strongly suspect the automakers have a lot more leverage over dealerships than people generally give them credit for. That doesn't make them directly responsible, but I still assign them some culpability. They do not, except for some extreme nuclear option poo poo basically.
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Yeah. Back in April, when they told their dealers to cut the egregious dealer markups out, was the first time in at least a decade they really put the screws to them.
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Laws prohibiting direct sales give dealers incredible leverage over both manufacturers and consumers. They can limit allocations to a bad dealer but that presumes there’s some other dealers in the area with the lot space and financing to pick up the slack, and that those dealers don’t also suck.
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Except that wasn't really what they said. It was that Ford specifically didn't want dealerships trying to charge customers who'd put in a Lightning preorder for the privilege of being prioritized onto the dealer's build assignment list.
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Also if you gently caress with allocation too much the dealer can sue you. You can really only do it at the margins on highly desirable product, and you pretty much have to link it to some kind of behavior.
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Biodome posted:I’ve had the EV6 for about 2 months now and I still love it. Long rear end range, charges quick as poo poo, has all the driver assist features I wanted. I've read on a couple Kia forums that Kia may be planning to add wireless carplay/Android auto to the EV6. I plan to stick with wired since wireless always ends up with audio fidelity issues and I want to try the Meridian system with lossless Qobuz. I've also read that if the climate/radio dual strip annoys you that you can set a default mode by holding in one of the buttons and it will always revert back to that strip after a few seconds, so you can set your climate and then it goes right back to radio. SchrodingersCat fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jul 7, 2022 |
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SchrodingersCat posted:I've also read that if the climate/radio dual strip annoys you that you can set a default mode by holding in one of the buttons and it will always revert back to that strip after a few seconds, so you can set your climate and then it goes right back to radio. Yeah that default is simple to set, and like every other setting its nice that its tied to the user profile, so when someone else is driving it can respond how they like it along with the rest of it. Though if someone isn't used to remembering to use their profile they could get annoyed wondering why the setting for it stopped working for them. I don't know how common that is in other modern cars now, but being able to create a bunch of user profiles was one of the features I liked the most in the EV6. Taking over the driving on a trip and being able to just jump in, set a profile and have the mirrors, seat, HUD offset, radio, mood lighting, safety assists etc (even the physical 2 seat programming buttons are tied to each profile uniquely) all just instantly change over was so nice. The only thing that would improve it, is they should have made the steering wheel adjustment motorized as well because you still have to adjust that manually.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Laws prohibiting direct sales give dealers incredible leverage over both manufacturers and consumers. They can limit allocations to a bad dealer but that presumes there’s some other dealers in the area with the lot space and financing to pick up the slack, and that those dealers don’t also suck. You forgot “and isn’t also part of the same megadealer chain owned by a mob-type family of old money assholes who make loud TV commercials explaining that screwing over poor people with a 72-month loan on a used Geo Metro is an honorable Christian virtue.”
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:While this is true, do you actually think there is a single car manufacturer out there that has an absolutely spotless record with regards to how their dealerships treat people? yes surely the automakers should not be held responsible for exerting no pressure on dealers who lie right to your face while charging you a hefty premium for the privilege or that's what I'd say if I was dumb as hell, but since I'm not I'll say this instead: I hope the dealership model dies and that Hyundai dies with it lol what a lovely automaker
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lol imagine coming to the EV thread and making GBS threads it up like that Fastest I've ever put a poster on ignore, that's for sure.
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It's very strange to me how Americans blame a Korean company for how dealerships in America run by Americans use the American political system and laws to screw over consumers. Now don't get me wrong, dealerships aren't super in other countries either, but nowhere near the stories from the US.
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My wife was murdered by a Hyundai dealership.
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I find it stranger that Americans love white knighting for corporations. Not just auto makers obviously, but they seem to get the lion's share of unearned defense
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QuarkJets posted:I find it stranger that Americans love white knighting for corporations. Not just auto makers obviously, but they seem to get the lion's share of unearned defense It's gonna be one of the largest investments people make (after a house/condo), and there's an innate "judge me by my purchases" ideal in American culture. Several manufacturers have been around long enough that brand loyalty is generational. In America, the great Summer Roadtrip can be foundational memories, and that's going to happen in the family car. A huge swath of boomers did really well working for unions in auto manufacturing plants. Remember the inherent "us vs. them" mentality corp America is so good at fostering (like Mac vs PC or Coke vs Pepsi). And never underestimate an heirloom grudge (there's a major national chain of gas stations my whole family refuses to use because multiple people were rude to my grandfather, who died before I was born). The defense is wholly undeserved, but it's not hard to explain. No ethical consumption under capitalism, get what meets your needs (and needing a modicum of confidence in the corporate leadership is valid). But gently caress every new car dealer straight into the sun.
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pun pundit posted:It's very strange to me how Americans blame a Korean company for how dealerships in America run by Americans use the American political system and laws to screw over consumers. Does it really matter where a company is technically headquartered, or what nationality its leadership is? 80% of Hyundai's sales are outside of Korea, it has major operations and offices in NA and Europe. It is, by all practical accounts, a global company, with the resources and expertise to navigate those foreign markets. All that said, I believe the dealership model is going the way of blockbuster. The small value they add simply isn't enough to justify the middleman fees involved in the modern era where their services are largely supplanted by the internet. This sucks for like half a million people involved in car sales in the US, which is unfortunate, but I'm not shedding a tear for them any more than people shed a tear for travel agents or whatever. Progress marches on, and at risk of being an elitist gently caress, the high school dropout car salespeople had a good enough run at everyone's expense.
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QuarkJets posted:I find it stranger that Americans love white knighting for corporations. Not just auto makers obviously, but they seem to get the lion's share of unearned defense Nobody is white knighting them, you’re just being weird. If nobody bought cars from any manufacturer that had a lovely dealer out there somewhere you’d only have Tesla left and they’re just sneaking in a technicality. It’s a lovely model but it’s ubiquitous, nobody here can change it, and Hyundai makes a good EV that people want to buy so they’re willing to put up with it.
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bird with big dick posted:My wife was murdered by a Hyundai dealership.
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bird with big dick posted:My wife was murdered by a Hyundai dealership. You know hiring an assassin is also a crime right?
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Bird in a Blender posted:Holy crap, thanks for that spreadsheet. I’ve had my Leaf for six months and love it. Seats and interior are noticeably better than the Bolt imo and the plus variant is still well within your miles needs. With the rebate it’s your cheapest option. Chicago also has (relatively) mild weather so the cooling won’t be a big deal for you. As long as you have a second ICE vehicle (besides doing road trips in the LEAF is…an adventure to put it nicely) it’s a fantastic car.
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bird with big dick posted:EV thread mk 3 - My wife was murdered by a Hyundai dealership.
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Gimme a sec while I scroll back to find out where the hell THAT came from Edit : Uhh..... what on earth is it with AI and weird rear end hatred of Korean cars??!?! Yeah nah, that's enough thanks CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Jul 7, 2022 |
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MrYenko posted:
I got “stuck” in theatre mode a few days ago. Until I found the little black bar at the top to toggle the controls on.
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Jimong5 posted:I got “stuck” in theatre mode a few days ago. Until I found the little black bar at the top to toggle the controls on. Same. Audio has been going out of sync a lot too.
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Pack it up Hyundailures, QuarkJets is taking no prisoners
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people recognize that state laws provide insane tiers of protection for dealers, right? unless they break terms of the franchise agreement it is very hard for the OEM to do anything at all to them, and the only real recourse at that point is "revoke the franchise" which is expensive and extremely messy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOgrj_cHkpE Looks pretty good.
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Zero One posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOgrj_cHkpE It's a shame they haven't made something that replaces the Leaf since that lower cost segment needs attention.
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I don’t think there’s any lack of low-range city EVs; companies just aren’t choosing to sell them in the US. Honda e, Fiat 500…
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Am I right in that the only place Tesla displays SoC at destination is expanding the nav directions and scrolling down? JFC what a self own. The Ford display is a wasteland of white useless space but at least they display this info front and center.
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bird with big dick posted:Am I right in that the only place Tesla displays SoC at destination is expanding the nav directions and scrolling down? Allegedly the latest update makes this visible at the top again.
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bird with big dick posted:Why would anyone get an R1S when the EV hummer exists? Does the R1S even have T tops? Never having to deal with a GM dealership would be item numero uno. GM is an excellent engineering firm trapped in a Woody Allen movie.
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bird with big dick posted:Am I right in that the only place Tesla displays SoC at destination is expanding the nav directions and scrolling down? Ya that's coming back when the new update hits, as well all green light ding for us poors who can't/don't want FSD.
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