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Herstory Begins Now posted:the gunfuckers get, uh, their gun please do not gently caress the barrels of the GAU-8
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Buddy, they don't even let me gently caress the barrels.
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Uncle Enzo posted:The Ukrainians seem to be getting a lot of use from less-survivable airframes, I'm not sure the A-10 would be any worse, if not a lot better due to firing a wider range of more modern munitions. Suicide Watch posted:Agreed but the A-10 is on record as having some of the lowest maintenance costs across the USAF fleet, at $6K/hr, which is lower than the F-16's $8.2K/hr or mudhen's $21.3K/hr. The thing is, is that it doesn't really matter that the A-10 airframe is more survivable. Once it takes damage it is just as out of commission for repairs as any other CAS. And if you want to use that gun it's probably going to be taking more damage than anything the UA has right now. I still say ship it if the UA can handle it though, since it still can be used in the same way as the planes they have now are being used.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:honestly just take the big gun out and ship them the airframe without it, let the Ukrainians strap even more bombs and poo poo to it The A-10 can’t fly without the gun and ammo. NOAA tried and they had to add a fuckload of ballast.
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1544682639646392321 mlmp08 posted:Song: I ain’t worried about it Uncle Enzo posted:Also, given that UA is still successfully flying su-25's this long into the war, I bet they could make good use of our A-10's. They get used for what they were always intended, the air force doesn't have to maintain them anymore, and now there's just that many less enemy tanks in the world.  Seeing 'em used against insurgents was one thing, seeing A-10s used against tanks in glorious 120fps 4K would be amazing. It would make A-10 footage from the Gulf War look outdated....assuming they don't get shot to poo poo
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Jimmy Smuts posted:
I'm pretty sure any tank kills in the A-10 in Ukraine would be done with the missiles. Though, I guess with how lovely the Russian tanks are, the gun would be work, if it wasn't for how absurdly common AA weapons are.
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FrozenVent posted:The A-10 can’t fly without the gun and ammo. NOAA tried and they had to add a fuckload of ballast. I had no idea, but that is hilarious. TIL
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Kchama posted:I'm pretty sure any tank kills in the A-10 in Ukraine would be done with the missiles. Though, I guess with how lovely the Russian tanks are, the gun would be work, if it wasn't for how absurdly common AA weapons are. Well a whole lot of the more modern tanks have already eaten javelins and the like, I think the gun is pretty capable of loving up a T-62. But yeah, it's not a friendly environment for gun runs regardless.
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orange juche posted:
The New Jersey was a floating museum when I visited it while in the boy scouts in like 2003.
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The Air Force just proved it can land A-10s on the highway for quick turn arounds. https://soldiersystems.net/2022/07/07/historic-highway-landing-advances-agile-combat-employment/ SSD posted:ALGER COUNTY, Mich. (AFNS) —
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I had no idea, but that is hilarious. TIL This thing is loving magical. The Thunderhog, y’all. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23088/the-tragic-tale-of-the-a-10-thunderhog-storm-chasing-jet
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psydude posted:The New Jersey was a floating museum when I visited it while in the boy scouts in like 2003. She was, yes but Congress kept kicking the political football for a bit well after NJ and Wisconsin were officially converted. I remember right up until the Zumwalts actually were recieved by the Navy certain people in Congress wanted the Navy to retain capability to reactivate the two Iowas that had by that point been sold and carved up into museums.
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https://www.ibtimes.com/russia-threatens-take-back-alaska-us-over-war-sanctions-3564746 Best of luck with that one .
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1544682639646392321 At hostpital, lost fingat!
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Stultus Maximus posted:At hostpital, lost fingblyat!
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https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1544688787887980545 https://ridl.io/import-substitution-or-going-parallel/ quote:Almost 100% of seeds in crop farming are imported, and such material is supplied by the global monopolists in this field (60% of the global seed market is now held by Germany’s Monsanto and Corteva from the United States), as it cannot be effectively reproduced in crop growing, which means that the dependency also looks strong here.
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orange juche posted:She was, yes but Congress kept kicking the political football for a bit well after NJ and Wisconsin were officially converted. I remember right up until the Zumwalts actually were recieved by the Navy certain people in Congress wanted the Navy to retain capability to reactivate the two Iowas that had by that point been sold and carved up into museums. Still think they should have rebuilt them as command ships. Perhaps keep a big gun turret for institutional knowledge. Yea I know it’s a stupid idea but it’s not like the navy isn’t known for them.
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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1544688787887980545 Lmao. Fucker who owes me a gpu and or refund works for corteva
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Most American electronics are manufactured in China. What would stop a few containers worth of parts from getting diverted to Russia?. American manufacturers would have almost as many problems as Russians trying to build new plants.
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The X-man cometh posted:Most American electronics are manufactured in China. What would stop a few containers worth of parts from getting diverted to Russia?. Many companies making sensitive stuff don’t do final assembly in China, if only due to IP concerns. This of course hasn’t kept things like sidewinder guidance computers from showing up in Chinese flea markets but hey the intention is there.
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The X-man cometh posted:Most American electronics are manufactured in China. What would stop a few containers worth of parts from getting diverted to Russia?. Your iPhone will be assembled in China, but the memory, processor, and other semiconductors in it are almost all made in Taiwan, Japan, or South Korea. France, The Netherlands, Germany, and the US round out the list of countries with any major semiconductor industry to speak. China does have domestic fabs, but they barely scratch the surface of their own internal demand, and nobody wants to use their poo poo anyway so they're largely kept out of the international market for sensitive applications. Additionally, things like avionics are ITARS restricted and heavily controlled from a supply chain perspective. There will be some sanctions evasions, but not enough to account for the massive shortfall in critical electronics components they're now experiencing. psydude fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jul 7, 2022 |
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psydude posted:The New Jersey was a floating museum when I visited it while in the boy scouts in like 2003. They were all stricken in 1999 but were still subject to being taken back into service by the Navy until like 2011 because Congress designated them as mobilization assets or some nonsense. I think technically the Midway still is, at least that was the scuttlebutt among the docents when I volunteered there.
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Kchama posted:The thing is, is that it doesn't really matter that the A-10 airframe is more survivable. Once it takes damage it is just as out of commission for repairs as any other CAS. And if you want to use that gun it's probably going to be taking more damage than anything the UA has right now. Oh I was putting the A-10 and Frogfoot in the same category of "less-survivable". My thinking is, if they can get meaningful support from a su-25 then an a-10 should do at least as well. I don't think the su-25 has any particular capabilities that would let it fly where an a-10 couldn't. Even forgetting the gun the a-10 can fire a wide variety of powerful ground attack munitions with decent standoff capability.
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psydude posted:Your iPhone will be assembled in China, but the memory, processor, and other semiconductors in it are almost all made in Taiwan, Japan, or South Korea. France, The Netherlands, Germany, and the US round out the list of countries with any major semiconductor industry to speak. China does have domestic fabs, but they barely scratch the surface of their own internal demand, and nobody wants to use their poo poo anyway so they're largely kept out of the international market for sensitive applications.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:I wonder how much institutional knowledge is still floating around in Russia from when the USSR had a decent semiconductor & computing industry in the '70s to early '90s. They were drat good at reverse engineering foreign semiconductors & making them themselves. It's how we ended up with Tetris The sense I get is that the second they invaded Ukraine and sanctions started kicking in, a significant fraction of their tech employees fled the country. Also someone posted more detail about their chip fab capabilities at some point in the DnD thread, and IIRC they're something like 15 years behind the state of the art in terms of transistor density. You can't copy what you don't have the facilities to manufacture.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:The sense I get is that the second they invaded Ukraine and sanctions started kicking in, a significant fraction of their tech employees fled the country. As well I would imagine that most folks with background and skills in that kinda thing from the 70s and onward probably left in the braindrain following the end of the cold war, or got hit by ye olde terrible life expectancy.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:I wonder how much institutional knowledge is still floating around in Russia from when the USSR had a decent semiconductor & computing industry in the '70s to early '90s. They were drat good at reverse engineering foreign semiconductors & making them themselves. It's how we ended up with Tetris N'thing, but much of that institutional knowledge walked away long ago. The 1980s and especially 1990s were a dire time in the Soviet bloc. People who could get higher paying jobs abroad often did so. I've met a bunch of them in my own career. Also, the Soviet semiconductor industry wasn't all that great. Plenty of smart people, never enough funding to do much with their abilities. Their manufacturing technology was always far behind, and suffered from yield and reliability issues. Thanks to these and other limitations they didn't successfully clone anything significantly more complicated than an 8-bit CPU, and had little scope to pursue original designs. The people who left upgraded their pay and career opportunities in a huge way.
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Uncle Enzo posted:Oh I was putting the A-10 and Frogfoot in the same category of "less-survivable". My thinking is, if they can get meaningful support from a su-25 then an a-10 should do at least as well. I don't think the su-25 has any particular capabilities that would let it fly where an a-10 couldn't. Even forgetting the gun the a-10 can fire a wide variety of powerful ground attack munitions with decent standoff capability.
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BobHoward posted:N'thing, but much of that institutional knowledge walked away long ago. The 1980s and especially 1990s were a dire time in the Soviet bloc. People who could get higher paying jobs abroad often did so. I've met a bunch of them in my own career. I got to find that part of the DnD thread, as I thought they tossed all their fab capabilities out the window in the early '90s. I had no clue Russia could still fab any CPUs at all, even lovely Z80 or 6502 clones. edit: imagine being a Russian engineer trying to replace a modern CPU in a missile with a bunch of '80s tech; i feel sorry for that guy even though '80s tech surprisingly gets the job done a lot Jimmy Smuts fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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Realizing now I learned more about soviet era hardware playing the Desert Combat mod than i ever learned in any military history course
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Murgos posted:Is that NASAMs? Or, something else? An AMRAAM doesn't typically burn like a sparkler (S-300 kinda does), and every other time that the US has announced the fielding of a system more complex than ammo, bandages, and MREs to Ukraine, it has taken a few days to ship, a few weeks to train, a few more days to be in action. So the odds of that missile being an AMRAAM already seem very, very low.
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Uncle Enzo posted:Oh I was putting the A-10 and Frogfoot in the same category of "less-survivable". My thinking is, if they can get meaningful support from a su-25 then an a-10 should do at least as well. I don't think the su-25 has any particular capabilities that would let it fly where an a-10 couldn't. Even forgetting the gun the a-10 can fire a wide variety of powerful ground attack munitions with decent standoff capability. You really aren't wrong to do that. I've just heard so much A-10 Can Take A Huge Beating, Best Plane Ever! hoo-rah. Which is great for the pilot usually, but a damaged A-10 is out of the fight just as much as a damaged Su-25. The Su-25 is much faster and more nimble than the A-10, and the A-10's gun turned out to be pretty lackluster against anything with decent armor. (How much Russia has left of anything with decent armor is in question, though.) So the A-10's real purpose would be largely a platform to launch missiles from or spooking infantry, sometimes to death. Which is probably why Ukraine wanted them as a viable alternative to their probably not huge supply of Su-25s.
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Last I recall the A-10 gun was never intended to be effective against more modernish armored vehicles like a tank compared to 7-54s and the like, it's main purpose being to easily destroy unarmored/lightly armed vehicles. Still has all the other issues such as only really being usable if you already have airspace domination and being very slow to actually be in response.
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ChaseSP posted:Last I recall the A-10 gun was never intended to be effective against armored vehicles like a tank at all, it's main purpose being to easily destroy unarmored/lightly armed vehicles. Still has all the other issues such as only really being usable if you already have airspace domination and being very slow to actually be in response. Even if that's true, they did studies showing its perfectly effective at penetrating the upper armor of most main battle tanks it would encounter. And regardless, a tank with a disabled engine, penetrated fuel tanks, and possibly knocked out crew is still a mobilization kill.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Yeah that's kind of what I was tracking, in that they cloned 8-bit CPUs a lot. However, their capabilities beyond that was unknown to me until now. The missile knows where it isn't, by subtracting where it is---error: speed exceeds clockrate.
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CommieGIR posted:Even if that's true, they did studies showing its perfectly effective at penetrating the upper armor of most main battle tanks it would encounter. Yeah the guns were easily able to pierce the weak points of tanks, problem is those tanks are extremely out dated by now. OTOH Russia is starting to bring out those tanks so I guess it's a perfect fit to give the A-10 if it weren't for the other issues.
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Someone in another thread posted Russian milbloggers complaining about himars doinking command posts etc real good and I wonder if that's really bad opsec, if they're attempting some reverse psychology, or if the success of those strikes is so obvious that you don't need to be opsec about it and can complain about them on telegram as much as you like
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