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bobjr posted:The show downplayed Dany’s worst aspects while championing a lot of her stuff. They did it with a few characters, Tyrion got the same treatment, and Stannis got it the opposite way. Tyrion's whitewashing so they could completely flanderize him into "funny dwarfman who drinks and knows things!" was one of the things I hated the most about season 5 onwards.
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PostNouveau posted:The Drowned God's only superpower is that CPR works a lot better for his people. It is kind of funny that The Drowned God is the one true god of the setting and no one ever talks about. R'hllor has, what, 3-4 priests that can do magic that we see? if literally every priest of the Drowned God wasn't a walking Lazarus pit, the population of the Iron Islands would go to zero in a couple of generations. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Jul 7, 2022 |
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Drunk in Space posted:Tyrion's whitewashing so they could completely flanderize him into "funny dwarfman who drinks and knows things!" was one of the things I hated the most about season 5 onwards. Late season Tyrion was not funny and didn't know anything
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Jul 7, 2022 14:49
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If Tyrion got crossbowed when trying to make a deal with Cersei in season 8 that would have been a little funny
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bobjr posted:The show downplayed Dany’s worst aspects while championing a lot of her stuff. They did it with a few characters, Tyrion got the same treatment, and Stannis got it the opposite way. Arya as well. She's joined an extremely hosed up cult of death, does a horrific massacre of the Freys which is played as justice on the show because it's an eye for an eye, and yet she's still running around afraid for her life during the King's Landing seige, banging her childhood crush before the big battle, dreaming of sailing off to Fantasy America. The end that the books are going for is clearly going to be the Starks are going to "win" these various wars, but before forever hosed up by them. Bran is mind controlled by some kind of telepathic monster man. Sansa is a huge piece of poo poo schemer who's going to be worse than Littlefinger or Cersei, her mentors in being a piece of poo poo. Arya is a creepy magic assessing who steals people's faces. Jon Snow killed his queen/aunt/lover and got exiled to live with the feral people. The show has lean into this if this is the ending, not pretend all these people are self-actualized and doing great.
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bobjr posted:If Tyrion got crossbowed when trying to make a deal with Cersei in season 8 that would have been a little funny He was so loving lame by that point that it's probably one of the few 'expectations subverted!' twists D&D could have done that I honestly would've cheered.
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Piell posted:Late season Tyrion was not funny and didn't know anything Sometimes I wonder if Dinklage was being vocal about not liking the direction his character was going and D&D responded by making Tyrion stupider and useless.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The survival rate of people receiving CPR is 10-15%, even with modern medical interventions, so that is literally the worst plan anyone ever came up with. It's a lot better than doing nothing when someone goes overboard. As a system for picking a ruler yeah it's not great, but as a thing that exists in that society but as part of their religion I like it.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The survival rate of people receiving CPR is 10-15%, even with modern medical interventions, so that is literally the worst plan anyone ever came up with. The survival rate of people who receive CPR in tv show is almost 100%. Especially if they have been under water for a long time.
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Jul 7, 2022 15:29
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Orange Devil posted:It's a lot better than doing nothing when someone goes overboard. To be fair, elections or for that matter a hereditary crown don't seem to be great ways to pick rulers. Maybe we could try the whole drowning and bringing back if we feel like it thing for a bit?
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bobjr posted:If Tyrion got crossbowed when trying to make a deal with Cersei in season 8 that would have been a little funny in season 8 what are you insane you mean in season 3
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Jul 7, 2022 16:05
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Dr. Poz posted:If you haven't watched the Preston Jacobs Season 7/8 Fixed series, I'd recommend it. I typically avoid that kind of stuff but Jacobs other videos are really well grounded and the restrictions he sets for himself in rearranging seasons are very appropriate. His theory crafting videos on the books drew me in and after clearing through most of them I started on his Season watches. The Season reviews are skippable unless you just like hearing someone agree with you though. There is a channel on YouTube called Good Subs, and they just cut out all of the music and dialogue, then put their own subtitles in the footage in an effort to "fix" the last two seasons. While the dialogue is kind of bad, they did give much better plot points and character motivations.
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If you've got the whole gang around for the drowning ritual, my understanding is that you can pull them out while they're still gasping with apneotic breaths and the heart is beating, and then CPR is much more successful. That plus just go easier on the king you want and actually drown the others, bada bing. I thought it was mostly favouritism till Damphair showed up and was the real deal. Do we know of any assassinations-by-baptism? Pennsylvanian posted:Yeah, no joke I read it as "High-may" for like ten years before the show came out. I was confused why one spanish guy was in with all the pseudo-english names. e: wiki says 0-5 minutes of submersion with prompt care has only a 10% death rate. Includes being taken to modern hospital after CPR, but the immediate first aid makes a huge difference. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 7, 2022 |
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In the show if they had done some kind of ritual and part of it had been something resembling CPR, that would have worked. But as it is, after he’s drowned they just drag him out of the water and lay him on his back, and stand there in a circle watching.
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Alhazred posted:The survival rate of people who receive CPR in tv show is almost 100%. Especially if they have been under water for a long time. It works even better if you give an emotional speech instead of chest compressions or rescue breaths
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MrMojok posted:In the show if they had done some kind of ritual and part of it had been something resembling CPR, that would have worked. Is Damphair in the show?
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Jul 7, 2022 18:55
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you'd think Damphair was some cool name like Dhampir or something but no, he's just really moist.
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I like how his backstory involves him being a party guy who wanted a penis boat
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Is Damphair in the show? Yes. He is the one who recites the prayer and then holds Euron under the water.
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An insane mind posted:To be fair, elections or for that matter a hereditary crown don't seem to be great ways to pick rulers. Maybe we could try the whole drowning and bringing back if we feel like it thing for a bit? There's definitely merit in immediately drowning anyone who volunteers themselves to be a ruler.
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uber_stoat posted:you'd think Damphair was some cool name like Dhampir or something but no, he's just really moist. He's just really pretty
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Just remembered how the Dothraki become such a non-entity after season 2. Season 1 hyped them up as really fiercesome fighters that could turn the tide of the war were Daenerys to cross with them. S3 they are implied to be there but there's no recognisable character because the previous season they literally killed all of them (the bloodriders and handmaidens), until the Unsullied join at which point they are completely forgotten. The original khalasar is never mentioned again, not even as victims of the Sons of the Harpies. S4 and 5 they are completely absent in any shape or form until the last episode. Then s6 kinda tries to make them important again for the first 3 episodes but then after Daenerys kills all their leaders they are just fused into her Unsullied army and dissapear again. They resurface in s7 during the Fields of Fire but we never learn what their agency in any of this is. Daenerys has no Dothraki representative in her strategy meetings with maybe Grey Worm acting as leader of both armies. Then in s8 we see the "end of the dothraki" while they charge blindly into a wall of undead. Then they respawn again for KL's raiding...and then they decide to stay there and everyone pretend they didn't commit war crimes? What a ways to go for a faction that had an entire language made up for them in s1.
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I maintain they should have hired extras from the central asian republics and Mongolia from among the dudes who still practice insane horse and archery skills And that the dothraki should invent shirts, lances, and bows
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I maintain they should have hired extras from the central asian republics and Mongolia from among the dudes who still practice insane horse and archery skills Although ironically the real Mongol hordes were more terrifying, because they wore armour and were excellent at sieges.
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Plucky Brit posted:I want hawk hunting, goddamn it! Yeah but the dothraki are a barbaric horde they don't know what clothes are. Nevermind that desert dwelling and hell steppe dwelling tribes learned pretty loving quick that covering up helps a lot against dying of exposure. But no. Only Europeans wear clothes.
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An insane mind posted:Yeah but the dothraki are a barbaric horde they don't know what clothes are. Nevermind that desert dwelling and hell steppe dwelling tribes learned pretty loving quick that covering up helps a lot against dying of exposure. Brought to you by the guys who thought a show about the Confederacy winning was a good idea.
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As Nero Danced posted:Brought to you by the guys who thought a show about the Confederacy winning was a good idea. I've expressed this before, but the idea of a show about the Confederacy winning isn't inherently bad. But wow are they the wrong people to make it. It'd be like if Eli Roth made Get Out.
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Xealot posted:I've expressed this before, but the idea of a show about the Confederacy winning isn't inherently bad. But wow are they the wrong people to make it. There's a mockumentary about the idea already, so it wasn't even an original concept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnwTWfFRM8
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uber_stoat posted:you'd think Damphair was some cool name like Dhampir or something but no, he's just really moist. There's a great early GRRM response to questions where he says exactly that. I remember when I first started reading the books I thought it was some sort of weird title or name too, I was reading it as "dam-fair." And someone posed that question to gurm and he was just like, "uh no... the dude has damp hair." He's the coolest Iron Islander in the books though, it's a shame they barely use him in the show. Victarion is way cooler than Euron too, idk how you could emphasize it in the show but all the descriptions about him wearing full plate armor on the water because gently caress it, he's drowned before, is super badass.
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As Nero Danced posted:There's a mockumentary about the idea already, so it wasn't even an original concept Also several other alternate / dystopian history dramas airing around the time they announced it. So, no, not at all. But in much the way that Man in the High Castle leaned into how 50's Americana is extremely compatible with the values and goals of the Nazis, there's *someone* who could make an alt-history show about the Confederacy that highlights how they kind of did win anyway, in actual US history. Like, a Black showrunner and writer's room could probably make a feast of how this horrendous dystopian nightmare is pretty much what happened IRL, with the Southern Strategy, prison-industrial complex, and broadly racist underpinning to massive structures in our society. That's probably not what D&D were going to bring to the table.
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bobjr posted:The show downplayed Dany’s worst aspects while championing a lot of her stuff. They did it with a few characters, Tyrion got the same treatment, and Stannis got it the opposite way. We saw a person doing terrible things, but also how she got there, and the mind can't help but "poo poo, I can see myself making the same moves" if it isn't just blowing past everything straight to "GET 'EM, WHITE SAVIOR!" I figured those things would disqualify her from being a ruler if she didn't learn from them, and to the show's credit, they did have her stop learning from them long before the reveal at the end of the show. I maintain that if you described the entire ending to somebody who'd stopped watching before D&D started showing their asses, to the person we'd all imagine a super rad version of what we actually got. It's a funny joke butchered in the retelling by an unfunny person. As Nero Danced posted:There's a mockumentary about the idea already, so it wasn't even an original concept It did provide the perfect framework for a World War Z movie I'm still pissed we never got: A Ken Burns-esque talking head documentary — slow-zooming and scrolling of still photos and all — about a bunch of poo poo that never happened.
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As Nero Danced posted:There's a mockumentary about the idea already, so it wasn't even an original concept "documentary where the confederacy won" *fades into weinstein company logo* got a chuckle
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Alhazred posted:She burned a victim of rape alive in the first season. Her actions are always framed by the show as ambiguous at worst right up until the end. If we were intended to see any of prior actions as cruel the show didn't really frame them that way at any point, there's always an out.
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There's no "kinda" about it. They lost the war but won reconstruction which ultimately had a greater, long-lasting affect.
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HBO Announces Jim Crow Spinoff
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LividLiquid posted:I figured those things would disqualify her from being a ruler if she didn't learn from them, and to the show's credit, they did have her stop learning from them long before the reveal at the end of the show. wdym if anything the show had a lot more moments of learning than the books had. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTblN1cDgU4&t=233s For instance, when she first meets hizdahr she acts justified in the crucifixation of the masters, but then is taken aback by the possibility presented by hizdahr that some of those masters might have been against the crucifixation of the slaves and eventually decides to grant him the right to bury his father. in the books iirc such exchange never happens. Then we have the post-Barristan death events (which again is something that in the books didn't happen) that haver her round up the masters and kill one of them in reprimand, but afterwards she admits her mistake and decides to marry Hizdahr as a means to restore peace in the city, whereas in the books she was coerced into that decision by the green priest. The seeds were never there in the show.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Her actions are always framed by the show as ambiguous at worst right up until the end. If we were intended to see any of prior actions as cruel the show didn't really frame them that way at any point, there's always an out. After the speech about how Dany will ally with the worst of the worst and ignore the way they murder and rape it was pretty clear how she would end up. I agree that they hosed up the execution but there never was any real doubt about it.
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