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Mega Comrade posted:Maybe to some. But I think in the grand scheme of things (of which him being a liar, racist and misogynist) I think its pretty insignificant. In this instance it's not what people are collectively thinking of, it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profumo_affair 
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Cimber posted:I don't pay that much attention to Boris, being a yank, but my political blog I read had a writeup of his fobbles. Holy poo poo, is this all true? As a journalist he made up myths bout EU such as a directive on the straigthness of cucumbers, and this propaganda is still circulating among the anti-EU folks. But you already mentioned him as a liar...
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Tesseraction posted:Hahaha holy poo poo they are so loving mad https://twitter.com/prkirkley/status/1545357920686186496 It's like something out of Doctor Strange, just absolute parallel universe poo poo
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Cimber posted:I don't pay that much attention to Boris, being a yank, but my political blog I read had a writeup of his fobbles. Holy poo poo, is this all true? - Promised he would stand beside his local voters, he would lay down beside them against the bulldozers against the HR2 (or was it an airport runway I forget which), then hid when the vote happened. - Promised NI businesses if they had any extra red tape over Brexit to phone him directly so he could throw it in the bin, then handed them more red tape on exports weeks after. But lol just read this: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pajq48/timeline-boris-johnson-mistakes-bad Edit: Best one is this: quote:Two months before he becomes Foreign Secretary, Bantsy Boris wins a £1,000 prize from The Spectator for writing a "lolz" limerick about Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. It goes: "There was a young fellow from Ankara / Who was a terrific wankerer / Till he sowed his wild oats / With the help of a goat / But he didn’t even stop to thankera."
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Also, how about that time as Mayor of London when he got his Chief of Staff to threaten to beat the poo poo out of a journalist in a lift, because they'd written an article that was critical of him.
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I could definitely fight any politician in a lift and win.
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OwlFancier posted:I could definitely fight any politician in a lift and win. Fool, how quickly you forget that Mark Francois was in the SAS and knows all the karate moves
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Jul 8, 2022 16:57
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OwlFancier posted:I could definitely fight any politician in a lift and win. Only a technicality, but I'm not sure a second combatant could even fit in a lift with Eric Pickles.
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Barry Foster posted:Fool, how quickly you forget that Mark Francois was in the SAS and knows all the karate moves You just have to move to one of his flanks and he chokes himself out with his own shirt collar when he tries to turn his head to follow you
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OwlFancier posted:ed milliband was the leader of labour during the coalition government, 2010 to 2015. He ate a bacon sandwich in a slightly ungainly fashion and was photographed doing it, which was considered a terrible thing because clearly a man who cannot eat a bacon sandwich in a dignified fashion could never be prime minister, I say, in 2022, putting on the clown makeup. I'm...having a problem seeing from those photos what he did wrong. People sometimes look awkward momentarily when eating or doing other bodily functions, and the camera just happened to snap the right moment.
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Jul 8, 2022 17:09
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He also mispronounced "tough enough" so clearly he wasn't fit to lead the country.
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he also worshiped the four ruinous powers, making him unelectable by loyal members of the Imperium of Man.
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Was it ed or David who had two kitchens in their house Also their father the radical Marxist spy who hated Britain
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Already posted but I'll post it again for the memories. 
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Cimber posted:I'm...having a problem seeing from those photos what he did wrong. People sometimes look awkward momentarily when eating or doing other bodily functions, and the camera just happened to snap the right moment.
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why does he talk like a cbeebies presenter at story time the dickhead quit because boris wouldn't let him do austerity
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Cimber posted:I'm...having a problem seeing from those photos what he did wrong. People sometimes look awkward momentarily when eating or doing other bodily functions, and the camera just happened to snap the right moment. Think of it like the Dean Scream. A completely normal and irrelevant thing seized on by the media and drilled into people as being Bad, so that when you protest that it's normal, irrelevant and blown up by the media, you look like the idiot. (And doubly irrelevant as neither Dean nor Ed were gonna win anyway.)
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Cimber posted:I'm...having a problem seeing from those photos what he did wrong. People sometimes look awkward momentarily when eating or doing other bodily functions, and the camera just happened to snap the right moment. It was thinly veiled anti-semitism (the actual not fictitious kind) - making pig's breakfast out of the bacon sarnie, two kitchens, metropolitan elites and all that. Funny how all that is good-natured political journalism but opposing Isreali policies is vile antisemitism. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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Cimber posted:I'm...having a problem seeing from those photos what he did wrong. People sometimes look awkward momentarily when eating or doing other bodily functions, and the camera just happened to snap the right moment. He's ethnically Jewish, so the fact that our delightful press focused on an incident involving a bacon sandwich is unlikely to be a coincidence. Especially when they also did this
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Cimber posted:I'm...having a problem seeing from those photos what he did wrong. People sometimes look awkward momentarily when eating or doing other bodily functions, and the camera just happened to snap the right moment. You will never get anywhere in british journalism with that attitude.
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Half a mil lmao https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1545440413644906496
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Also yes as others have noted there was a huge amount of nudge wink stuff that is kind of hard not to read as antisemitism when you put it all in a heap, from the papers who then went on to scream about jeremy corbyn antisemitically attending the wrong seder and not doing everything the mega tory chief rabbi told him to.
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If Ed Miliband had won in 2015, would Labour still be in power today?
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Cameron ate a hotdog with a loving knife and fork and didn't get any of the abuse that Ed got for that bacon sandwich.
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If he had won in 2015 that would be describing a fundamentally different reality, there were a lot of factors that caused him to lose (only five years previously labour had been plunging, screaming into the void under the administration of blair and brown who absolutely tanked votes every year they were in power and milliband was nothing different from that fomula, the lib dems getting into bed with the tories utterly cratered their vote from what had been a historic high in no small part to people who were sick of labour's authoritarianism and general shittiness (charlie kennedy was the left wing option throughout a lot of the last labour government and probably the best leader the lib dems ever had, I would say pour one out for him but it would only dilute the alcohol content of his corpse) as they promised to end tuition fees and instead gave us a tory government and plastic bag taxes) and also if cameron hadn't won in 2015 there would be no brexit referendum which has cast a very long shadow over all subsequent politics in the UK. So, that question is utterly unanswerable. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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There's also an argument that Ed Miliband listened to the usual morons within Labour about how to run a campaign until far too late. He actually came close to being personable in the last few weeks before polling day, and it's possible he would have done better if he'd shown that side of himself earlier. For most of his time as leader he gave the impression he'd just walked into the wrong room and didn't know what he was doing there.
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I think Ed *could* have been different, but was surrounded by people like Balls and Coyle.
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That is possible, I would continue to maintain that they had the same effect on corbyn, the institutional machine of the labour party is fearsome in its insidiousness and also how utterly loving abysmal it is at doing politics. So yes it is possible that milliband could have taken the party in a different direction, had he not been exposed to that, but that again is assuming a materially different labour party in a materially different world that would be needed to produce it. Also you get into the issue of if someone is exposed to that for long enough and internalizes the ideas, at what point are they just... that? Just a collection of bad influences coalesced into a person who goes on to reproduce them in others?
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OwlFancier posted:Also you get into the issue of if someone is exposed to that for long enough and internalizes the ideas, at what point are they just... that? Just a collection of bad influences coalesced into a person who goes on to reproduce them in others?
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Guavanaut posted:A Blairite becomes a Blairite through other Blairites. Everyone becomes what they are because of the same process. Although ideally tonty blair isn't involved if at all possible. But yeah I don't mean that as a unique thing about the labour party, it's a poltiics thing and a social thing generally. We are a product of all the stuff around us, and in politics particularly people become like those they spend time with and most of the people in politics are garbage people, who make other garbage people. I have the politics I do because of spending time here, if I didn't I would have different ones. There are potentially inflection points where big slips and changes can occur, which can then reshape the structures underpinning them, but for the most part it's just horrible social inertia all the way.
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Mr Phillby posted:Tories go on a lot about 'personal responsability' so i think its important to loudly point out that their leader happily went shagging around while his wife was being treated for cancer and won't reveal how many children he has to pay child support to. Authoritarians secretly love when their leaders do this unscrupulous poo poo because they see scruples as weakness and like to root for the "winning" team. A heterosexual man having extramarital affairs with women is shithead behaviour but it’s the fun, cheeky kind of scandal to other shitheads. The personal responsibility argument would just say that’s his personal business. massive spider fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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Who the gently caress is Bill Wiggin?
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Yeah, good idea. Definitely a normal organisation that shut down in 2015 for very innocent reasons. Why wouldn't you just start a new organisation?
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Can imagine rishi tories beating keirs Labour even worse than 2019 to be honest
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In terms of apparently competence he probably beats keir, the issue would be his association with boris and also his utter inability to help anyone, while keir of course can claim he will without any explanation or intention of doing so.
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jiggerypokery posted:Can imagine rishi tories beating keirs Labour even worse than 2019 to be honest I think they know that the economy is going to get worse and that will make the next election very hard to win whoever is in charge. If they thought the next election was winnable they probably would have gotten rid of boris a long time ago.
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Tory lite vs the acceptable face of toryism has 0 chance. At least keir vs Boris has tory lite vs car crash which had something going for it.
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OwlFancier posted:I could definitely fight any politician in a lift and win. 
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OwlFancier posted:There are potentially inflection points where big slips and changes can occur, which can then reshape the structures underpinning them, but for the most part it's just horrible social inertia all the way. To which point would you go back with a time machine to help Ed? You have one use of the machine and you come out naked like in Terminator.
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