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As Nero Danced posted:There's a mockumentary about the idea already, so it wasn't even an original concept Yea see the difference is that Kevin Wilmott kinda has a leg up on the D&D guys when it comes to writing about race.
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Collapsing Farts posted:Literally all the rulers in the show had "shades of grey" or were outright evil fuckers, so when Dany killed some random guy or did something ambiguous it didn't read as "she's losing her mind! She's a cruel rear end in a top hat!" because all the other characters in the show who had seats of power were always way worse. Exactly. They did a great job painting her as vengeful and paranoid. They just didn't do the work to make the jump to genocide. Well, they had "every time a targayrean is born, the gods flip a coin" which i guess you can pretend is character development
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Xealot posted:I've expressed this before, but the idea of a show about the Confederacy winning isn't inherently bad. But wow are they the wrong people to make it. I think the premise of this is interesting enough that someone is going to take a swing at it eventually, but I think it needs a lot of care to be pulled off in any way that isn't horrifying. My successful execution of the premise checklist would be: -Have it be a U.K. production, because you need some serious degrees of separation from the original country for this to work. -Don't try to make it set in the modern day, because I refuse to believe a Confederate victory and slavery would've been able to be maintained for more than 100 years at the absolute most. Ironically with the Man in the High Castle being a source of comparison, having the show be set during WWI or WW2 seems like it'd create a lot of story opportunities. -All confederate government forces/believers in "the cause" would need to be portrayed as clear antagonists. -The protagonists would be other governments and freedom fighters taking actions against the Confederacy. Hell, having a united nation of primarily Native Americans and African Americans taking over the west with support from Mexico/other governments sounds like it'd be fun, if the people making the show could pull that off at all effectively. Overall I feel like the premise is incredibly tough to execute and the show would have to be Game of Thrones level successful to be at all worth the general uproar it actually being made would cause. With that being said, I feel like it's bound to happen someday. Hell, all it really would've taken for it to be happening right now is D&D absolutely sticking the landing and making the last few seasons of GoT universally praised and beloved. If they'd done that, HBO or someone else would've been all over their Confederacy show idea.
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Making it a british production would guarantee I wouldn’t watch it lol Imagine saying “foreigners would do it better” about any other culture
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If you wanna see what it would be like if the south won the Civil War just watch the news for 20 minutes.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Making it a british production would guarantee I wouldn’t watch it lol Seriously, I love the UK but it's not exactly a country without its' own set of racial tensions and problems that need to be addressed. At best you'd get some extremely boring preachy poo poo that nobody wants to watch (with a very strong hint of "former colonial power looking down their noses at and lecturing one of their former colonies"), and at worst you'd get something that completely misses the point due to not understanding American culture in general and African-American culture in particular (see: the Rosa Parks episode during Jodie Whittaker's run on Doctor Who). ONE YEAR LATER posted:If you wanna see what it would be like if the south won the Civil War just watch the news for 20 minutes. Also this.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Her actions are always framed by the show as ambiguous at worst right up until the end. If we were intended to see any of prior actions as cruel the show didn't really frame them that way at any point, there's always an out. I don't inherently dislike that. Obviously, they weren't skilled enough to pull that off but I think there's merit to an approach of "the show framed these actions as heroic and you accepted that without question. Didn't you ever stop to actually think about what was happening on the screen?"
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christmas boots posted:I don't inherently dislike that. Obviously, they weren't skilled enough to pull that off but I think there's merit to an approach of "the show framed these actions as heroic and you accepted that without question. Didn't you ever stop to actually think about what was happening on the screen?" Except Arya also does similar poo poo and she's still good. They just got lazy and didn't want to bother having to write anything that would actually make sense so they just rushed it through and had Dany go crazy at the end. Same reason "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet", you just do the laziest possible hand wave so you can get to your Confederacy show that you really want to do Piell fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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christmas boots posted:I don't inherently dislike that. Obviously, they weren't skilled enough to pull that off but I think there's merit to an approach of "the show framed these actions as heroic and you accepted that without question. Didn't you ever stop to actually think about what was happening on the screen?" I think the show that did this pretty well was Rome, I feel like they didn't give Caesar a particularly heroic or villainous representation in terms of music, lighting, etc, he was just kinda doing his stuff and you could think he was a tyrant or a benevolent dictator who wanted to take power but also use it better than the old roman noblemen and poo poo
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Yeah, there was no cohesion on what constituted unspeakable acts. A lot of the things that the writers tried to cite as setups for her cruelty were accompanied by heroic music and camera angles.
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Stefan Prodan posted:I think the show that did this pretty well was Rome, I feel like they didn't give Caesar a particularly heroic or villainous representation in terms of music, lighting, etc, he was just kinda doing his stuff and you could think he was a tyrant or a benevolent dictator who wanted to take power but also use it better than the old roman noblemen and poo poo Amusingly, I remember there was a story kicking around back in the day that Rome was the show that convinced Martin HBO would be the best choice to adapt his magnum opus. Perhaps if we'd gotten the creative talent behind that show instead of the useless fratboy hacks we ended up with (yeah George, they knew who Jon's mother was - amazing litmus test you got there) things might have turned out a lot better. (Or it would've been cancelled after 2 seasons whatev).
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I’m pretty much fine with it. I can definitely name things I would have done differently from D&D, we all can, but we are never getting the last books and so this is what we have instead, and I can live with it.
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Drunk in Space posted:Amusingly, I remember there was a story kicking around back in the day that Rome was the show that convinced Martin HBO would be the best choice to adapt his magnum opus. Perhaps if we'd gotten the creative talent behind that show instead of the useless fratboy hacks we ended up with (yeah George, they knew who Jon's mother was - amazing litmus test you got there) things might have turned out a lot better. (Or it would've been cancelled after 2 seasons whatev). Ironically, the Rome showrunners wanted to keep going but HBO refused
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George Railroad Martin did a blog today. The big takeaways I got are that he pinky swears that he is writing Winds of Winter and that he's trying to distance the end of his story from the end of GoT.quote:What I have noticed more and more of late, however, is my gardening is taking me further and further away from the television series. Yes, some of the things you saw on HBO in GAME OF THRONES you will also see in THE WINDS OF WINTER (though maybe not in quite the same ways)… but much of the rest will be quite different. https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2022/07/08/a-winter-garden/
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Don't listen to the fat man's lies. The Winds of Winter will be finished 6 months after he croaks by Brandon Sanderson.
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At this point you could almost write a second book about just how the gently caress it took a decade+ to crank out one novel.
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TOOT BOOT posted:At this point you could almost write a second book about just how the gently caress it took a decade+ to crank out one novel. A typical day in his winds of winter writing process is probably 10 minutes staring at a word document, 20 minutes changing the word order on a sentence he already wrote, 5 hours playing a videogame and 2 hours asking the director of the videogame if he can write the next one
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Qwertycoatl posted:A typical day in his winds of winter writing process is probably 10 minutes staring at a word document, 20 minutes changing the word order on a sentence he already wrote, 5 hours playing a videogame and 2 hours asking the director of the videogame if he can write the next one Except for the last step that sounds like what I imagine some of my colleagues work from home experience is like
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Mantis42 posted:Don't listen to the fat man's lies. The Winds of Winter will be finished 6 months after he croaks by Brandon Sanderson. Even though Brandon said that would never happen, I kind of want that book. Just go from the luxurious prose and laborious pace of Dance into Brandon's grocery list style of prose. That, or seeing Brandon actually deal with an editor that doesn't just rubber stamp his first drafts. Pennsylvanian fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jul 10, 2022 |
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GRRM's ooc blog writing reminds me of late high school when half my friends were super into Tennant Who and Sherlock and being insufferably twee, except he's an old man and they were 16
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Mantis42 posted:Don't listen to the fat man's lies. The Winds of Winter will be finished 6 months after he croaks by Brandon Sanderson. Just lol that the Expanse writers managed to start and finish their entire 9 novel + multiple novella series + 6 season television show in the time it takes the fat man to "write" a book. Oh and the books are alright, fun sci-fi and the television show is the best sci-fi on TV in a very long time with great writing and acting and allround improving on the books. Just lmao.
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The only Winds of Winter we're possibly going to get is a Winds of Winter Part 1 rushed out the door by the publisher to get the sales boost from the new TV shows (it seems like he's at least done all the first chapters for all the viewpoint charcters so that probably adds up to 300ish pages, aka, regular novel length)
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I wonder if GRRM’s ever seen Funny Farm
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Reading a story about Ukrainian civilians being trained by British soldiers and -quote:A higher ratio of instructors to recruits is helping to fast-track the training. So is the high level of motivation among the recruits, according to the instructors. https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukrainian-office-workers-and-tradesmen-receive-training-from-u-k-for-war-11657342801
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PostNouveau posted:George Railroad Martin did a blog today. The big takeaways I got are that he pinky swears that he is writing Winds of Winter and that he's trying to distance the end of his story from the end of GoT. lmao, this reads like the last status update from a Kickstarter grift before they finally go awol with the stolen money
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Ironically, the Rome showrunners wanted to keep going but HBO refused I was so mad when I heard Rome was being cancelled but they were going forward with a high-budget fantasy series. I looked wrong because the show was actually really good. And then like the Starks I ended up being right in the end.
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Pennsylvanian posted:Even though Brandon said that would never happen, I kind of want that book. Just go from the luxurious prose and laborious pace of Dance into Brandon's grocery list style of prose. That, or seeing Brandon actually deal with an editor that doesn't just rubber stamp his first drafts. He said he didn't want to write something so explicit and pessimistic bc he's a Mormon but I think he should be allowed to have total reigns to write the PG rated version with a happy ending. In fact he should write it now and the publishing company should just let GRRM know they have it in the tank.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I was so mad when I heard Rome was being cancelled but they were going forward with a high-budget fantasy series. I looked wrong because the show was actually really good. And then like the Starks I ended up being right in the end. The first season felt close to a best case scenario for "adaptation of a book series that's big for a fantasy series but still not really mainstream". There was something charming even about the janky stuff like the bad wigs, so many interior shots having windows that faced "outside" but just showed blinding white light, etc. Seasons 2 through 4 had issues and in hindsight you can see the rot creeping in, but overall they were solid and had a bunch of absolutely fantastic moments. It spiraled to hell after that, but I'd still rather have it than not.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I was so mad when I heard Rome was being cancelled but they were going forward with a high-budget fantasy series. I looked wrong because the show was actually really good. And then like the Starks I ended up being right in the end. The endgame for Rome was for Lucius and Pullo to team up with Jesus, so I actually think that HBO did the right thing here.
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One part of the show that really stuck with me on a rewatch was how many actors would be on screen acting in the early seasons. One example in my mind was when Tyrion returns to King's Landing to hand Tywin's letter to Cersei. She barely finishes reading the letter before all of the actors start shifting around in their seats, anticipating the announcement of Tyrion as hand. A lot of the early small council scenes do this. It's the kind of stuff I notice and really like, not the "great cinematography" of the latter seasons where a two-person dialogue has the camera switching to the most artistic angle every few seconds as actors furrow their brows and out-smolder one another.
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Alhazred posted:The endgame for Rome was for Lucius and Pullo to team up with Jesus, so I actually think that HBO did the right thing here. they were prob gonna make pullo the father of both caesarion and jesus
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Alhazred posted:The endgame for Rome was for Lucius and Pullo to team up with Jesus, so I actually think that HBO did the right thing here. Would love to have 60 year old pullo and vorenus doing their oh poo poo side eye routine as they realise pullo's the dad of the messiah
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Alhazred posted:The endgame for Rome was for Lucius and Pullo to team up with Jesus, so I actually think that HBO did the right thing here. These eternally-middle-aged assholes bumbling through the passion of the Christ and on to greater adventures in the imperial period while no one notices would have been great. WOOPS! Turns out Barabbas was Pullo. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jul 11, 2022 |
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It'd be The Life of Brian but the Romans are just as confused.
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That scene from Forrest Gump and the smiley face but it’s the veil of Veronica.
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Pullo taking the boy Christ to a brothel to lose his virginity.
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I know season 2 of Rome had some issues with time jumps due to cancellation but how were they going to have the same two characters present for events 76 years apart? 
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An insane mind posted:Maybe you guys just have horrible taste but now I'm extra glad rome ended when it did. Even if they'd let them do the rise of Augustus properly instead of a time jump I doubt it would've lasted to Jesus.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Even if they'd let them do the rise of Augustus properly instead of a time jump I doubt it would've lasted to Jesus. The adult Augustus casting was bizarre. Dude had Joffrey vibes.
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