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Mr. Fix It posted:ldp has been in coalition with soka gakkai's political party, komeito, for like forever now. the extreme right-wing, and especially their own lay buddhist organizations, hate sgi and want ldp to end the coalition. doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to be part of the motive Soka gakkai is basically Japanese Jehovah's witnesses, and it's founder and head is insanely loving abusive
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Halloween Jack posted:So what kind of people made up Abe's electoral base? Old people, mostly, IIRC.
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and they are the only people who vote
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People keep saying this, but according to polling younger people are more supportive of the government. https://www.asahi.com/sp/politics/yoron/
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While the Japanese government is far from perfect I think it's probably safe to say that they have improved an okay number of things overall, and the economy seems to be slowly turning in the right direction after 20 years of nothingness so I can understand those figures somewhat I don't think it's that bad to be a young person in Japan these days vOv rare as it is
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Halloween Jack posted:So what kind of people made up Abe's electoral base? The worst
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A big flaming stink posted:Soka gakkai is basically Japanese Jehovah's witnesses, and it's founder and head is insanely loving abusive let me tell you, jehovah's witnesses are japan's jehovah's witnesses
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I had to endure Soka Gakkai members chanting in a house next to my apartment building some 10 years ago. Same house used to host some rowdy parties.  Now there's a Seicho-no-ie place close by. Don't know much about them.
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NikkolasKing posted:Abe dramatically expanded immigration to Japan, causing demographic shifts that will reshape Japanese society in the decades to come. Yeah, a lot of my students tell me it's really common these days to see foreigners working the till at 7-eleven/Family Mart/Lawson etc, which I'm not sure I ever saw 15 years ago.
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Noah Smith is an economist, and despite ties to Japan, doesn’t live here. He has an economist’s take on social issues. Grand Fromage is dead on. Abe was born a political elite, lived a political elite, and died stumping for the LDP. He was regressive and unapologetic in being a nationalist and ultra-conservative. There’s been so little violence against national politicians in Japan for so long it’s easy to forget that it can happen. It’s shocking, in that it’s surprising, but I’m not exactly crying any tears over this.
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An economist's take on social issues tends to be almost as bad as an their take on economic issues.
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This is another pretty plausible read. https://twitter.com/mrjeffu/status/1545540259626483713
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Reading the situation as "when Japan shot their Reagan, it stuck"
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Staluigi posted:Reading the situation as "when Japan shot their Reagan, it stuck" Sadly 1981 was just a little too early for a cyberpunk gun
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https://twitter.com/nezumi_ningen/status/1545544966251872257 https://twitter.com/nezumi_ningen/status/1545673462462791681 welp, this whole situation is hosed
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That was not where I thought it would go.
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No matter how much I learn about these loving cults I never know anything. I can learn twice as much in one day as I have ever known about the unification church and still know nothing. If this whole event is precipitated by the historical predations of it or a similar cult, I'll have to read endless explainers despite literally knowing people who had to live and escape the whole moonie jamboree.
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:People keep saying this, but according to polling younger people are more supportive of the government. Young people support the government, but they don't support the LDP as a party really. The problem is the opposition is at least as much of an old persons' politics as the LDP is, people born 1940-1960 or so are basically the only group with any meaningful support for the center-left opposition Youth support for post 2012 Abe and his successors says that the spinning of Abe as a reform liberal or even a progressive like you get with that Noah Smith guy has successfully been sold to under-40s in Japan itself https://www.webchikuma.jp/articles/-/2841  AHH F/UGH posted:While the Japanese government is far from perfect I think it's probably safe to say that they have improved an okay number of things overall, and the economy seems to be slowly turning in the right direction after 20 years of nothingness so I can understand those figures somewhat Yeah Abe's government since 2012 has to be viewed in light of the preceding like 30 years of compete and utter shitshow icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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It seems like cults in general are unusually large and influential in Japan. Is that actually a thing, and if so, why?
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Darth Walrus posted:It seems like cults in general are unusually large and influential in Japan. Is that actually a thing, and if so, why? I've heard a few different suggestions: 1. Historically no strong centralised religion which led to tradition of religion being an individual choice not strongly dictated by state or family. 2. Modern Japanese culture makes forming social relations difficult, cults facilitate socialisation for isolated people. 3. Economic collapse of late 80s and ongoing economic malaise led to people trying to find meaning elsewhere encouraging cult recruitment.
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Cults are a big thing anywhere. India has its gurus, China has the Falun Gong-esque groups, America has Scientology… Maybe the only unusual thing is how close to electoral politics Japan’s cults manage to be.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:1. Historically no strong centralised religion which led to tradition of religion being an individual choice not strongly dictated by state or family. Japan had a pretty strong centralized religion back in the early 40s...
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America's full of cults, the biggest are just so...big and profitable that they escape that label by default.
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Vegetable posted:Cults are a big thing anywhere. India has its gurus, China has the Falun Gong-esque groups, America has Scientology… Maybe the only unusual thing is how close to electoral politics Japan’s cults manage to be. I feel like there are fewer of them in Europe, but I'm not sure how you'd measure that sort of thing objectively.
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Yeah Americans marveling at the amount of cults in Japan is....not self aware.
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American cults: mass suicides Chinese cults: mass protect in front of Zhongnanhai to directly challenge CPC Japan cults: terrorist acts in public South Korean cults: mass weddings (And brain wash the president) stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:American cults: mass suicides Lets not forget "getting members onto the supreme court"
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And the entire state of Utah.
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https://twitter.com/RW_UNP/status/1545424120997093376?s=20&t=Rz0cSgYwpOmivKc_MctFOQ sri lankan prime minister / former prime minister, depending on exactly when his resignation goes into effect SL's been schmoozing anyone who will give them the time of day but especially Japan, so he might actually be legitimately sad about Abe getting shot, for reasons that aren't just his own personal security and his own personal wallet
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Vegetable posted:Cults are a big thing anywhere. India has its gurus, China has the Falun Gong-esque groups, America has Scientology… Maybe the only unusual thing is how close to electoral politics Japan’s cults manage to be. Halloween Jack posted:America's full of cults, the biggest are just so...big and profitable that they escape that label by default. Keep in mind the cult in question (the Moonies) own a major newspaper in the US (The Washington Times) and have very strong ties to the Republican party and right to far right wing groups
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Right before that question was asked I was going to make a post asking the same thing about the amount of cult-bourne domestic terror, but in the wording realised that the borderline sorta-secularism of Japan just results in those kinds of people going into lots of little crazy cults instead of just going hard into the non-existent major Abrahamic state religion.
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Szmitten posted:Right before that question was asked I was going to make a post asking the same thing about the amount of cult-bourne domestic terror, but in the wording realised that the borderline sorta-secularism of Japan just results in those kinds of people going into lots of little crazy cults instead of just going hard into the non-existent major Abrahamic state religion.
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stephenthinkpad posted:South Korean cults: mass weddings Don't forget the 'funding death squads in south america' bit. Also, the attacker doing it because the Moonies ruined his life is not what I was expecting. They've been having some rough times after Sung kicked the bucket, so seeing them in the news is a shock.
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So the Unification Church has a big footprint in Japan? I didn't expect that.
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Lammasu posted:So the Unification Church has a big footprint in Japan? I didn't expect that. modern nationalism is 100% cynical. elite solidarity is the only thing that's real.
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Once I was at my friends' house and I saw a copy of the Washington Times on the table and it kind of freaked me out. Afterwords, I asked him if he knew who published that and how crazy he was. Eventually my friend got into Qanon by his wife. Sorry, no point to this story I guess.
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icantfindaname posted:Young people support the government, but they don't support the LDP as a party really. The problem is the opposition is at least as much of an old persons' politics as the LDP is, people born 1940-1960 or so are basically the only group with any meaningful support for the center-left opposition
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