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Ginette Reno posted:DS2 was my first Souls game and it's definitely still high up there for me. I get that people don't like the slower combat with it but the level design is great and there's a lot of cool bosses. The level design and the bosses are the two worst aspects of it lol I get each to their own but the way I see some people talk about it I feel like we've played entirely different games
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DS2 was always my favorite of the Dark souls, followed by 1 and then 3. So fully agree with above ranking. I kind of hope we get a SotFS version of Elden Ring with some of the cut quests restored and maybe some more interaction with Melina.
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I feel like A tier for the og dark souls is a bit nostalgia based. Going back to it it actually doesn’t hold up that great. Still good
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Jul 10, 2022 20:23
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:People are slowly coming around on their appraisal of DS2 and I'm glad yeah it never deserved the nuclear hot hate that it got but it doesn't deserve the "actually its S tier" dickriding its been getting recently either the adaptability stat ALONE is enough to make it a worse game than either DS1 or DS3
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No Dignity posted:The level design and the bosses are the two worst aspects of it lol Yeah I'm not sure how to respond this other than to echo your point of to each their own. For me, DS1 has cool levels, poo poo bosses. DS2 has cool levels and bosses. DS3 has cool bosses, hit and miss on the levels. Imo the level design felt the least imaginative in 3 of all the Souls games I've played. Elden Ring has cool bosses and levels, though it does re-use bosses and monsters a little more than I'd like. I almost would have preferred a shorter game but with more varied boss/monster design rather than them making it long as hell but with a lot of reused assets. It's still an incredible S-Tier game though. I'll fully admit there might be some bias at hand for me since DS2 was my first Souls and thus automatically memorable because of that. But I love that game.
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Perfect Potato posted:the level design is great the least imaginative level design of the series 
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Speaking of the Golden Order greatsword, why does it scale with STR and not INT like a greatsword SoNaF, and why is Radagon's sword just hanging out in a random cave with some Misbegotten? Seems like a really missed opportunity. At least most of the black flame stuff is pretty reliably dex/faith themed.
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AnEdgelord posted:yeah it never deserved the nuclear hot hate that it got but it doesn't deserve the "actually its S tier" dickriding its been getting recently either I actually like adaptability more than the over-correction that is the way rolling and equip load work in DS3 and ER. But DS2 has just as many bad ideas as it does good ones i think..
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exquisite tea posted:Personally Souls games are all about taking a fundamentally unfair game and exploiting its own logic to make it unfair for the bad guys, so the idea of deliberately avoiding OP poo poo out of some sense of video game honor is bizarre to me. Miyazaki has no honor and doesn’t want you to hold back, either. If From is openly giving me a bunch of tools to destroy Malenia in 20 seconds then hell yeah I’m gonna do that 100% and consider myself the most skilled and strategic gamer of all time for it. For me the power fantasy is that I maintain my honour code and then get absurdly good at the mechanics and win anyway. There is nothing more satisfying than beating the game with an armourless, shieldless DEX build.
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S+: Elden Ring S: Demon's Souls remake A: Dark Souls, Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, Demon's Souls B: Sekiro C: Armored Core series D: Dark Souls 2 F: any of the souls games but you play as a mage
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DS2 is my favorite of the three and I've championed it since day one. It has my most playthroughs by far. I remember deleting all the update data for my fists only run through just so I could have a shirtless fist fight with pre-nerf Lost Sinner. I also went out of my way, pre Scholars, to make a character who dual wielded the big smashy shields and smashed every boss in game with those. Including the double lion fight in the frozen tundra zone. I loving loved that game. DS3, however, is the worst of the three. Only one playthrough. But I may be biased because my first playthrough of that Pontiff Sullivan bugged out and only did his spin attack. And never stopped. He started every fight with the spin and just never stopped the animation. I had to try to stagger him and hope he didn't kill me while I tried this. Fight was loving awful and soured me on the game as a whole. Also didn't help that 3 took out the ability to power stance just about any different weapon with some other type of weapon.
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TheKnife posted:I actually like adaptability more than the over-correction that is the way rolling and equip load work in DS3 and ER. But DS2 has just as many bad ideas as it does good ones i think.. there is no "over-correction" that is the way it should have always worked, adaptability is the third worst idea From ever had behind World Tendency and the very existence of the Frigid Outskirts
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https://youtu.be/eSNZZpvo1Wo This looks way too cool. This is the sort of combat I had in mind for the next Souls game after Sekiro.
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AnEdgelord posted:there is no "over-correction" that is the way it should have always worked, adaptability is the third worst idea From ever had behind World Tendency and the very existence of the Frigid Outskirts Quickstep and bloodhound step should require medium and light equip loads respectively. Or a medium bloodhound step works like quickstep instead.
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Ravenfood posted:Speaking of the Golden Order greatsword, why does it scale with STR and not INT like a greatsword SoNaF, and why is Radagon's sword just hanging out in a random cave with some Misbegotten? At one point the Misbegotten were called Radagon's Chimeras and there was a stronger connection between them. This short video goes into some details about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29s_FIlwg2k
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Ravenfood posted:Speaking of the Golden Order greatsword, why does it scale with STR and not INT like a greatsword SoNaF, and why is Radagon's sword just hanging out in a random cave with some Misbegotten? Probably lore related since it was changed by Radagon after he was gifted it from his first wife Rennala. He was originally the leader of the Golden Army, then after leaving Rennala was Golden Order.
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Yeah there wasn’t an over correct. Tying an basic ability to a stat was a bad idea.
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WaltherFeng posted:https://youtu.be/eSNZZpvo1Wo You can do this, it’s kind of boring but there is nothing stopping you now
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Ravenfood posted:What actual advantage does golden parry have over Carian Retaliation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX0mT_NQh7k A frame earlier parry activation and longer duration, and you can parry with the golden wave in front of you at a distance instead of having to be hit directly
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Here's a fun theory: Radagon is a Mimic Tear, and the reason they cut the Mimic Tear questline from the game is that it makes it too obvious. The talking mimic from cut content has a weird fixation with becoming a "real" copy of you and on becoming a lord, and Marika's words to Radagon are specifically that he "has yet to become me, and yet to become a lord." The "Marika" we find in the Erdtree is a fake, the real Marika killed herself with destined death and is using the extremely simple ploy of pretending to be Melina while in her "ghost" form, which is why Melina has word perfect recall of multiple things Marika has said. She simply stabbed Mimic-Radagon with destined death and ditched him there to trick the Beast while she was out grooming a tarnished to kill it. Also, she learnt the trick of how to do this from Ranni, who was actually doing a test run of Marika's plan as a collaborator. Note that Melina definitely lies to you multiple times and explicitly admits to lying at least once. She is not a reliable narrator at all. This is also why Ranni knows her, because Ranni is in on Marika's plan, and why "Marika" is shown to remain inanimate and never speaks in the normal endings. Marika was simply right in your face from the start of the game and is using you as a disposable pawn exactly as she uses Godfrey. A few additional points on this - This is where the "unalloyed gold" needle stuff comes from. "Alloyed gold", specifically gold alloyed with the silver mimic tears, is how Miquella and Malenia were born, and using pure gold prevents their weird outer god corruption. - This is also why Melina burning herself burns the Erdtree. The "kindling maiden" stuff is just a bullshit excuse to cover for the fact that you're incinerating the real Marika, who is linked to the Erdtree. - This is why Melina knows exactly where the Frenzied Flame is. There's no real way for her to know this if she was recently born. Her freaking out as soon as you get near it is Marika breaking character and begging you to do literally anything else, even the Dung Eater ending.
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DS2 had a lot of locked doors. Sure it has some of the most fun/interesting areas especially for invasions. But I'm not gonna excuse the bad areas and the unfortunately linear branches. I hated my DS2 blindrun because I was stuck for a long time missing this or that well-hidden key or lever that I didn't know I needed. The locked doors sucked. So much backtracking because god knows which locked door this particular key will open. DS2 released for $60 in April 2014. Just 2 months later they released the first of 3 DLCs, each $15 (but you could buy them as a bundle for $30.) Not exactly day 1 DLC but you get the idea. The DLC was good and worthwhile. Less than a year after DS2 was launched, a new version DS2: Scholars of the First Sin was released in February 2015. This new version included the base game, all 3 prior DLCs, as well as additional content. Scholars of the First sin cost $60. If you already bought DS2 it still cost $60. If you already bought DS2 and all 3 DLCs it cost $60. You pay them $60. Also Scholars was incompatible with the old DS2 so if you didn't buy it you'd be left in the ghost town version of the game. Charging players $150 to continue playing the full game is extremely not cool. -5 points for that shameless cashgrab. Splitting the playerbase less than a year after release is unforgivable, -1000 points. Overall I rate DS2 a 0/10.
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Hot take: the conventional wisdom is 100% right. I recently played through them all and still thought DS2 was the worst by a mile. A lot of it is aesthetic; the world just didn't grab me like the other games (ds3 in particular is just so beautifully fallen that I can't get enough of it). Aside from aesthetics, 2's death penalty, torch rules, and propensity to constantly throw groups of trash mobs at you made it a slog to get through most zones. And your reward was usually a pretty blah boss fight. I'd rather have every game I play for the rest of my life set in Blighttown than ever see Shrine of Amana again.
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DS2 was initially my favorite fromsoft game by far and I still have more time in it than any of their other games on steam (bloodborne is probably higher but idk how to check total playtime on ps4). I loved the build variety and the number of ways you could quickly get a wide range of build options going. I also loved the multiplayer and spent many hours doing coop, rat mode, and blue cops. fromsoft addressed these two qualities by nerfing a major build into uselessness and making the endgame DLCs categorically poo poo on another wide swathe of builds, and then splitting the population with scholar of the first sin. meanwhile it still has every other flaw that its builds and multiplayer were originally making up for. they did that game dirty.
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Tolth posted:Here's a fun theory: Radagon is a Mimic Tear, I like it. I was going to say that it replaced this guy's theory https://youtu.be/MuIoQz5XOO4 that the player is actually Miquella as my favorite batshit interpretation of ER. But I don't actually think your theory is batshit at all.
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Tolth posted:Here's a fun theory: Radagon is a Mimic Tear, and the reason they cut the Mimic Tear questline from the game is that it makes it too obvious. The talking mimic from cut content has a weird fixation with becoming a "real" copy of you and on becoming a lord, and Marika's words to Radagon are specifically that he "has yet to become me, and yet to become a lord." Woah sure why not. Cool theory
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Tolth posted:Here's a fun theory: Radagon is a Mimic Tear, and the reason they cut the Mimic Tear questline from the game is that it makes it too obvious. The talking mimic from cut content has a weird fixation with becoming a "real" copy of you and on becoming a lord, and Marika's words to Radagon are specifically that he "has yet to become me, and yet to become a lord." This is surprisingly plausible. Nice work!
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A+ theory
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Darth Walrus posted:Apart from the Blasphemous Blade, which strength/faith weapons should I really be looking out for? Medium Doot
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Tolth posted:Here's a fun theory: Radagon is a Mimic Tear, and the reason they cut the Mimic Tear questline from the game is that it makes it too obvious. The talking mimic from cut content has a weird fixation with becoming a "real" copy of you and on becoming a lord, and Marika's words to Radagon are specifically that he "has yet to become me, and yet to become a lord." drat this might actually connect some dots in regards to Marika's relationship to the Nox and all the different versions of life creation that seemed to evolve out of their attempts to create an artificial lord via silver tear experimentation.
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I'm surprised this is still up! The links are hilarious! https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/vw58n3/who_writes_these/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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Tolth posted:Here's a fun theory: Radagon is a Mimic Tear, and the reason they cut the Mimic Tear questline from the game is that it makes it too obvious. The talking mimic from cut content has a weird fixation with becoming a "real" copy of you and on becoming a lord, and Marika's words to Radagon are specifically that he "has yet to become me, and yet to become a lord." This is fun. a minor issue would be theres references to other kindling maidens though they were literal maidens which Melina is technically not so thats not insurmountable
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Dark Souls 2 rocks and rolls. i love the big fuckin stupid ogres. i hope those hand head guys from ds3 are related to them. They probably stink so drat bad. FromSoftware
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Tolth posted:Here's a fun theory: Radagon is a Mimic Tear, and the reason they cut the Mimic Tear questline from the game is that it makes it too obvious. The talking mimic from cut content has a weird fixation with becoming a "real" copy of you and on becoming a lord, and Marika's words to Radagon are specifically that he "has yet to become me, and yet to become a lord." This is actually a really cool theory!
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MarshyMcFly posted:I'm surprised this is still up! The links are hilarious! 
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Gologle posted:This is actually a really cool theory! Marika is linked to eternal cities as well isn't she. And they were trying their best to make a god. I think the theory is a good one.
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Tolth posted:- This is also why Melina burning herself burns the Erdtree. The "kindling maiden" stuff is just a bullshit excuse to cover for the fact that you're incinerating the real Marika, who is linked to the Erdtree.
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I like that theory, but it fails to explain the eye mirroring between Melina and ranni
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Oh, I forgot to come back for this guy  Are you supposed to beat him before you get the horse?  With as many spoilers as possible, if I kill Tanith can I get into Volcano Manor?
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