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Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Hace posted:

this show sucks, just give stubbs already you dicks

From what I've heard they meet your demands next episode, probably.

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Despera
Jun 6, 2011
only watched half of it but not terrible!

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

I feel like the show just screeches to a halt whenever Maeve and Caleb aren't on screen.

Right now I'm also guessing that the Bernard and Stubbs stuff is further into the future and that mystery woman is Caleb's kid all grown up.

Also that Caleb will be able to fight off the mind-controlling flies because when Maeve saved him, she did something like implant him with host material or something. So he's still mostly human, but not all.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
I've really been enjoying this season ,but I've really enjoyed all the seasons of Westworld.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

I think it's so obvious that's Caleb's kid that it would be more of a twist if it wasn't. They cut right from the kids face to hers at one point.

I'm enjoying this season consistently so far near the first season, which says a lot because Season 3 completely lost me. Hopefully they don't get too goofy with twists and timelines and keep it the 2.5 or 3 things they have going now and just tie them together better than whatever 2 did.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


I wasn't in "figure out the puzzle" mode, also I'm generally a dummy when it comes to these things, so it didn't occur to me that futuregirl was Caleb's daughter, but that does make sense.

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
The kid's face opening up to release a swarm of flies was so extra, I loved it.

There's literal tubes of flies all around the facility that Hale could've opened at any point since they got there, but she went the extra mile to make sure Caleb was traumatized for life. Mad respect for my robot queen.

Supremely happy with all the Maeve/Caleb, Bernard/Stubbs scenes. Dolores stuff will hopefully catch up.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Say what you will about the rest of the show, the piano music still absolutely slaps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab0lH8aJIKs

superjew
Sep 5, 2007

No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!
I came for great music, I’m staying for Stubbs and B doing a Mad Max buddy cop show.

Rougey
Oct 24, 2013
Person of Interest is bleeding through again with Bernard in god mode.

I'm all for it.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

This ep was pretty good. I don’t know why they didn’t ride out more of the “in the park doing park poo poo” because it’s always fun, especially the Dolores Revolution storyline. Mad I keep watching this dumb show for its cool parts, just like PoI.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Not one bit of writerlores this episode

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Not one bit of writerlores this episode

Her stories sounded like they sucked anyway

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




yo this episode was pretty alright

maeve & friends - present
bernard & co - future
dolores & best boi - one of the many sublime worlds

i'm assuming

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005
So like a lot of people I've sorta forgotten a lot of Season 3 and what I do recall is sorta jumbled. Just checking I'm not missing something. So the Hale in S3 that was one of the Dolores spheres, she was having feelings about Hale's real family and moral qualms about the stuff the other Dolores gestalt was having her do last season right? Then she and her family got blown up, hence the arm burns but I can't remember if they implied or outright showed who set the bomb, feel like it was implied to be the other Dolores's.

Then it was revealed that the main Dolores who was clashing with Maeve all of S3 was just trying to overthrow the humans controlling the machine thing that was deciding everyone's futures and she handed over control to Maeve and Caleb right? With the implication being she was just trying to kill some humans, not all humans. They hosed over the guy played by Vincent Cassel and did a revolution but it didn't really massively change the world and that Dolores got to go into the sublime with the other hosts from the end of S2. So now this Dolores/Hale who was having qualms last season is fully on board the kill/enslave/torture all humans train?

Is that all relatively correct given what we know at this point?

Zlodo
Nov 25, 2006
I enjoy bernard with kwisatz haderach powers and I hope he'll keep using them to mess with stubbs

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
8 posts after a new episode, lol does anyone watch this show?

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


There's not a lot to discuss after the first two episodes. Absolutely nothing is happening to the point where it immediately leaves my mind after it ends. That's okay, I'll still keep drinking this garbage

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

I think a lot of people *don't trust* the show after Seasons 2 and 3, so there's no point doing anything but giving a few reactions.

This season is so far, so good, but its still not enough to get me to do more than speculate a little while watching instead of spending time talking about it much after.

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
Also the first episode was very boring and the latest two a lot better so whoever came back after Season 3 probably wasn’t very encouraged.

rich thick and creamy
May 23, 2005

To whip it, Whip it good
Pillbug

Zlodo posted:

I enjoy bernard with kwisatz haderach powers and I hope he'll keep using them to mess with stubbs

Once Bernard left The Sublime he doesn't practice Santeria, but he essentially has a crystal ball.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Finally, after three seasons, Bernard doesn't suck. Was expecting a lot more "eat the tuna melt" random bullshit, but they made that blissfully short.

Though I am wondering where the lasers in the desert were coming from and why they couldn't drive around them.

Westworld and Kenobi - just can't drive around them lasers.

rich thick and creamy
May 23, 2005

To whip it, Whip it good
Pillbug

Megillah Gorilla posted:


Though I am wondering where the lasers in the desert were coming from and why they couldn't drive around them.


Unless this is a future where wildlife is extinct (a high probability), I'd expect to see more random animal corpses around the lasers too.

Then again this is a show where the likelihood of bullets hurting you is entirely dependent on Who/What/Where you are at the time. I think we're not supposed to think about it too hard. Just imagine J Nolan and L Joy miming a dome around themselves while humming futuristic sounds.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible

dpkg chopra posted:

The kid's face opening up to release a swarm of flies was so extra, I loved it.

That was pretty weird since I think we saw in the first season that only the 1st-gen mechanical hosts can open their faces and not the 3d-printed milkbots. So either they decided to use a super old spare childsized robot to create the daughter's likeness, or they had the foresight to create it 30-40 years before she was born and they got super lucky with the accuracy.


Unrelated but I'm also a little confused about the fake sub-level that's actually part of the game: Why do they dump corpses there and not an actual service level? Do the bodies get repaired at all? Do hosts do the repairs now instead of people?


So far the show feels like it's cribbing pretty hard from Matrix Resurrections with the Dolores story and the frequent "hey hey remember this quote from the earlier season? what about this outfit? eh? ehhhhh?" callbacks

LentThem fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 11, 2022

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
They probably get dumped there for appearances, then dumped to the lower level later.

Mr. Nemo
Feb 4, 2016

I wish I had a sister like my big strong Daddy :(
Everything to do with the theme park and god bernard was cool. A shame we already left 1920s world.

More of that less of Dolores please.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
1920s world could be cool, but they clearly established that it was just the exact story lines of West World with faster firing guns and cars instead of horses. Though they could have handled that secret story better. Granted, we don't know how much time has passed, but we went from being in that bar, the lady saying "I heard there's a secret easter egg story", then the safe robbery happens, they are dumped in the fake underground, and that lady has already found the easter egg story? It's the very first day of the park and she already grouped up with people and found the secret story?

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005

Cojawfee posted:

1920s world could be cool, but they clearly established that it was just the exact story lines of West World with faster firing guns and cars instead of horses. Though they could have handled that secret story better. Granted, we don't know how much time has passed, but we went from being in that bar, the lady saying "I heard there's a secret easter egg story", then the safe robbery happens, they are dumped in the fake underground, and that lady has already found the easter egg story? It's the very first day of the park and she already grouped up with people and found the secret story?

You'd make it super obvious or have a plant to make sure your premium guests/glorified beta testers get to take part in the super secret awesome gimmick of the new park I guess right? Then they give out positive impressions on whatever the future version of instagram is.

It's also all moot if it was all a trap for Maeve and Caleb, then they were just a way to corral them into the area they were supposed to be going I guess?

All nonsense the second you start actually thinking about it or questioning how this works as a tourist attraction logistically so classic Westworld.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Cojawfee posted:

1920s world could be cool, but they clearly established that it was just the exact story lines of West World with faster firing guns and cars instead of horses. Though they could have handled that secret story better. Granted, we don't know how much time has passed, but we went from being in that bar, the lady saying "I heard there's a secret easter egg story", then the safe robbery happens, they are dumped in the fake underground, and that lady has already found the easter egg story? It's the very first day of the park and she already grouped up with people and found the secret story?
I thought the 'guest' lady saying "I heard there's a secret Easter egg story" is a host who's saying that for the benefit of the real guests, Maeve and Caleb, to try to get them to find the fake behind the scenes and activate the Wyatt story.

Lister
Apr 23, 2004

Pretty funny how Bernard is basically doing what the AI did last season to guide humanity, except he needed 8000 years of running simulations to brute force the info he needed. The AI manipulating humanity with data projections was framed as a bad thing last season, right? I guess it's a good thing now that it's needed to save everybody.

Mind control bacteria looking very much like the mind control black oil from the X-files. Maeve's hacking powers are still the worst poo poo the show has introduced, even though I do get that she was allowed to do as much as she has up to this point as a 6-D chess game by Hale.

seaborgium
Aug 1, 2002

"Nothing a shitload of bleach won't fix"




Lister posted:

Pretty funny how Bernard is basically doing what the AI did last season to guide humanity, except he needed 8000 years of running simulations to brute force the info he needed. The AI manipulating humanity with data projections was framed as a bad thing last season, right? I guess it's a good thing now that it's needed to save everybody.


I think the difference is Bernard is just trying to keep humanity from killing itself, and then he'll gently caress off and let people choose how they want. The AI was just deciding some people were bad from the jump and forcing them into lovely situations without any choice.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
What's up with so much flys in this season, they cut 80% of the fx budget or something?

Collateral
Feb 17, 2010
Ahah! Now you know what the back story of the flys in the first episode is.

Lister
Apr 23, 2004

seaborgium posted:

I think the difference is Bernard is just trying to keep humanity from killing itself, and then he'll gently caress off and let people choose how they want. The AI was just deciding some people were bad from the jump and forcing them into lovely situations without any choice.

The AI was also trying to keep humanity from killing itself but was going the extra mile by manipulating people's free will. Bernard knows all the possibilities of people's free will and is acting in accordance to what's happening to stay in the right timeline, so to speak. I get that there's a difference but they're pretty close.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
The waitress in a really rundown diner having a zebra 301 pen is either immersion breaking (as it's too nice for a cheap diner) or very realistic (because when you're writing things down all day it's the world's best pen)

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Watching the first episode and god drat did this become a stupid show.

I wish I could enjoy it for the cheese it is, but something about how incredible season one was puts a terrible taste in mouth.

It's like listening to a boring drunk hot guy rant at length about how we're all in a simulation.

CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Jul 12, 2022

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal
This latest episode was better but still not feeling it. I’ll keep watching this garbage.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Great thing about S1 was that while the show was violence porn, that was built into the commentary of how that's a bad side of humanity and the cruelty isn't forgotten. Now it's just stupid gun porn with 'well it's a dystopia' as it's only excuse.

They went and turned it into the Walking Dead.

CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jul 12, 2022

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
The only possible outcome is a Butlerian Jihad because either you remove the computers or you're eventually going to get another cycle of genocidal robots or AI eye of sauron.

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CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

If that's the premise tho, at least lean into it and have fun with it.

You can see a gun fight on any thriller. It's astonishing how little they do with the premise of cyborgs outside of that they can be re-made and have identity problems. Give them little rockets in their heels. Have one with a flamethrower crotch. Have the robots all join together into a mecha snake, like that Bollywood flick.

Anything.

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