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Lake of Methane
Oct 29, 2011

Shifty Pony posted:

Yeah the problem wasn't "more powerful" it was that the pilot went 745mph instead of 725mph.

Which caused this to happen:



A Twitter thread from an Aero professor at UT San Antonio.

https://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1300787794793713664

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Lenny Nero
Apr 14, 2007

I'm the magic man...The Santa Claus of the subconscious

Lake of Methane posted:

A Twitter thread from an Aero professor at UT San Antonio.

https://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1300787794793713664

Awesome thread thanks!

Tenchrono
Jun 2, 2011


Anyone know why a plane would be diverted a few hours before it takes off? I just dropped my family off at Denver for a flight back to IAD, but while on the drive there the plane was diverted for a layover in Indiana before continuing on to IAD rather than a direct flight there.

Tenchrono fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jul 10, 2022

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Tenchrono posted:

Anyone know why a plane would be diverted a few hours before it takes off? I just dropped my family off at Denver for a flight back to IAD but while on the drive there the plane was diverted for a layover in Indiana before continuing on to IAD rather than a direct flight there.

Weather or crew time.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Lake of Methane posted:

A Twitter thread from an Aero professor at UT San Antonio.

https://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1300787794793713664

Oh I know it wasn't a sonic boom, the report even indicates that the instruments were showing a Mach number of 0.96 and I'd expect those instruments were extremely accurate. The vapor cone is just a very good indicator that there was one hell of a pressure wave that was extending all the way to ground level.

I don't know exactly what sort of ΔP you need for an adiabatic expansion to pull the temperature that far below the dew point but I'm sure that it's enough to completely gently caress up anything acting as a barrier to it equalizing.

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqk3vzHD2lo

Previa_fun
Nov 10, 2004

Shifty Pony posted:

Yeah the problem wasn't "more powerful" it was that the pilot went 745mph instead of 725mph.

Which caused this to happen:



also lmao a high speed pass isn't a "stunt" c'mon jalopnik

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Previa_fun posted:

also lmao a high speed pass isn't a "stunt" c'mon jalopnik

I guess you could consider an entire Blue Angels routine a "stunt"

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Fornax Disaster posted:

I found this while looking up models of Furious - a diarama of that scene in 1/700 scale!



http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/hms/furious/700-jb/furious.html

Holy cow! Those people! Those lines!

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Nebakenezzer posted:

Holy cow! Those people! Those lines!

The RN ensign flying under the airship is the part that has me scratching my head. Hoooowwwww.

Scam Likely
Feb 19, 2021


That explains a lot. The scramble to climb back in the rolling and running plane was crazy, I had no idea it was like catching a car that was left in neutral.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

lol the boomer pilot telling the tower they need to scramble

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status/1546509532716847107?s=21&t=g9oQKVDG1MKuj4OYXIBruQ

They didn't know that the altimeter was wrong on the second approach either and could have crashed that time too. Luckily they broke out of the clouds and could see the runway.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Zero One posted:

They didn't know that the altimeter was wrong on the second approach either and could have crashed that time too. Luckily they broke out of the clouds and could see the runway.

Do they not use RADALT in that circumstance rather than pressure?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Phanatic posted:

Do they not use RADALT in that circumstance rather than pressure?

TAWS didn’t activate, which doesn’t make much sense. Since they were using a VNAV approach wouldn’t they have seen a “correct” glide slope indicator? With that instrument “lying” and TAWS not going off a picture starts to become clear.

The ATC call of “I just had a ground proximity alert, are you ok? Do you see the runway?” Seems like a bad way to communicate the ground equivalent of “TERRAIN, TERRAIN”

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Phanatic posted:

Do they not use RADALT in that circumstance rather than pressure?

The approach they were flying was using GPS LNAV and the Baro altimeter VNAV. The aircraft was not equipped for SBAS. The plane flies using the baro alt so it thought everything was going fine. Rad alt is advisory to the pilots.

They said the radalt call outs were only 2500' and 1000' and none after that. They also said they cross checked the radio alt to the Baro alt.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

takes sought:

The Bush Plane Design Double-ender [that's a poo poo name guys]

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


hobbesmaster posted:

Seems like a bad way to communicate the ground equivalent of “TERRAIN, TERRAIN”

So, how does aviation radio work? Are you given a frequency and a ptt code such that ATC can talk to *just you* if they want to?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
No, everyone gets to listen to all the fuckups.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Potato Salad posted:

So, how does aviation radio work? Are you given a frequency and a ptt code such that ATC can talk to *just you* if they want to?

“I have a phone number for you to call”

Technically they can call the sat phone, but I think that’s really only for oceanic when HF is being, well HF?

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Nebakenezzer posted:

takes sought:

The Bush Plane Design Double-ender [that's a poo poo name guys]




I want this

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Potato Salad posted:

So, how does aviation radio work? Are you given a frequency and a ptt code such that ATC can talk to *just you* if they want to?

Analog AM radio. It’s as simple (and hilariously obsolete) as it sounds. I have a couple frequencies I can switch between if there’s an issue on one, but generally no more than two or maybe three at a time. (Its a huge pain to reconfigure our comms software to add another tx/rx station to a position, definitely not something you can do on the fly.)

This is also why I’m so loving excited about enroute CPDLC in the US.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Nebakenezzer posted:

takes sought:

The Bush Plane Design Double-ender [that's a poo poo name guys]



should have named it the Bush-Pull

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Nebakenezzer posted:

takes sought:

The Bush Plane Design Double-ender [that's a poo poo name guys]



It looks like they’ve kinda abandoned it, but their recent news post makes me a little toight in the pants area…



http://www.bushplanedesign.com/news--updates.html

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


hobbesmaster posted:

“I have a phone number for you to call”


Words you DON'T want to hear over the radio, but if directed at you, you should heed.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Humphreys posted:

Words you DON'T want to hear over the radio, but if directed at you, you should heed.

Though the FAA are also cops so that can be more complicated:
https://pilot-protection-services.aopa.org/news/2021/march/01/dos-and-donts-with-faa

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Humphreys posted:

Words you DON'T want to hear over the radio, but if directed at you, you should heed.

From following this thread for a few years it seems like that's a moment for hat-in-hand yes-sir-no-sir this-was-my-mistake-sir, and that consistently operating with courtesy and good faith with ATC is most likely to pay off here.

Serjeant Buzfuz
Dec 5, 2009

So earlier today my buddy and I were outside chatting and a helicopter came overhead, extremely low, flying very erractically. At first I thought maybe he was having control issues but it straightened out eventually and continued on at an extremely low altitude. This is over a densely packed city area, and his beacon was showing altitude below 200 ft.

I have the aircraft tail number, who do I report this guy to?

e: Ah I figured it out, I sent an email to the FSDO for this area.

Serjeant Buzfuz fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jul 13, 2022

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Serjeant Buzfuz posted:

So earlier today my buddy and I were outside chatting and a helicopter came overhead, extremely low, flying very erractically. At first I thought maybe he was having control issues but it straightened out eventually and continued on at an extremely low altitude. This is over a densely packed city area, and his beacon was showing altitude below 200 ft.

I have the aircraft tail number, who do I report this guy to?

e: Ah I figured it out, I sent an email to the FSDO for this area.

Helicopters don't have minimum altitudes in the same way that fixed-wing does.

quote:

A helicopter may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section, provided each person operating the helicopter complies with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the FAA; and

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Phanatic posted:

Helicopters don't have minimum altitudes in the same way that fixed-wing does.

Counterpoint: Sea and/or ground level :v:

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


You can tell if a helicopter that is flying "erratically" is actually out of control because then it will turn into a crumpled ball of metal that is on fire

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Warbird posted:

Counterpoint: Sea and/or ground level :v:

Addendum: I've stood in a field and heard but not seen the Bo-105 that eventually passed by in the large ditch beside me. Helicopters are an affront to the earth.

Serjeant Buzfuz
Dec 5, 2009

FuturePastNow posted:

You can tell if a helicopter that is flying "erratically" is actually out of control because then it will turn into a crumpled ball of metal that is on fire

Yeah I seriously thought we were witnessing a crash in real time for a couple minutes. He was flying worse than I do in FS2020 when drunk.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Erratic is a helicopter's natural state.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

You didn't say what kind of area the helicopter was flying over, but maybe it was a student practicing autorotations or something? Probably not if it was over your subdivision, but maybe if it was over a field or something.

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020





I saw a helicopter land on a football field once. A helicopter that's not doing medical emergency assistance landing on a football field is extremely rare here.

Some people came out of it, wandered around the field for a bit, and then the helicopter took off again. No idea what they were doing. My genuine best guess is that one of the people had to piss or poo poo VERY badly, but i couldn't see if one of them actually ventured into the bushes that surround the field.
It was (obviously) an empty field and it seemed safe enough, it's just highly unusual.

Helicopters buzzing around is not too uncommon, i get a lot of traffic overhead that goes to the offshore stations and occasionally some rich folks who want to see the city from the air. But landing? Nope.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Jerry’s inspiration

https://twitter.com/mrs_coups/status/1547277567681495042?s=21&t=iRpEwj7FNqBIIxDu3bycbQ

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran



Slip it in and throw the props to flat pitch and it's like having a pair of barn doors out in front to slow you down. I think the ATR guys do something like that? Maybe MU-2? One of those turboprop dealies is known for coming in fast and flat and then just dropping anchor over the threshold.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

Kinda want to see one of these do one of Bob Hoover's old routines.

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Jun 13, 2006

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I really wanted to go to RIAT this year. :smith:

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