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Obi-Wan is probably better suited to the Benny Hill theme https://www.reddit.com/r/RedLetterMedia/comments/v01koo/leia_benny_hill_chase_obiwan_kenobi/
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Bogus Adventure posted:Obi-Wan is probably better suited to the Benny Hill theme You know, the only part I really take issue with here is the start. From how she bolts between the two of them to how she outpaces them shortly. (and she outpaces them in open field again later) There's no way 3 adults who are specifically out to capture a kid can have that happen. Her ducking a log and her vaulting between 2 narrow trees where they can't follow I can believe. I also kinda unironically love the Falleen minister of silly walks.
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Piell posted:I have zero faith that D+ can pull off morally grey, unfortunately, my bet is that the stuff at the start of Rogue One will be darker than anything he does in the show They couldn't even make Boba Fett morally grey.
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Darth TNT posted:You know, the only part I really take issue with here is the start. From how she bolts between the two of them to how she outpaces them shortly. (and she outpaces them in open field again later) There's no way 3 adults who are specifically out to capture a kid can have that happen. They pretty clearly did think about the problem of making a convincing chase with a small child. Storyboarded it out and such. It's just the execution was so trash. I still think the Volume is at fault here.
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Potentially good doc alert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM_XwzOK_98
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Hakkesshu posted:Boba Fett was a mess but an interesting one. They tried some stuff. There were crazy droids, hutt parades, lizard sniffing, cyber teens, Black Krrsantan, pig bros, lovely mayor Ithorian, Cad Bane, etc. You could at least point to it and go "hey that's a cool Star Wars thing" even if none of it came together in the end. I assume I'll be echoing much of what was said in this thread months ago, but having finished the show yesterday, I gotta say--quirky star wars stuff aside--the first 4 episodes of Boba Fett were profoundly unengaging. The character is just a boring guy and a hard PG-rated organized crime Tatooine power struggle saga does not make for compelling viewing. I guess Boba learned morality by hanging with the tuskens but since they all wear the same mask and just say urk urk urk it's hard to understand how or why. However, the Mando-centered episode was a total joy. Can't get enough of the weirdo culty "this is the way" mantras with the pathetically small extremist sect and the Naboo Starfighter rehab and test drive scenes were rad. Loved the Luke/Grogu stuff in episode 6, too, although I assume those scenes were controversial. Deepfake Luke looked better than any I've seen, tho. Recently rewatched Rogue One (best of these disney movies by far) and Tarkin looks like a Ratatouille character. Plus, just curious to see what these OT characters got up to before everything went to poo poo. Loved the callbacks to the Dagobah training scenes. Fan service but I ate that poo poo up. Finale was deese. Obi-Wan, on the other hand, was powerfully weak. No stakes. Underwritten dialogue. Underdeveloped characters (altho baby Leia was good). A lot of people standing around crappy sets not doing much. "Increase firepower!", etc. Final Kenobi/Vader battle was pretty badass, but yeah, Obi-Wan just walks away! wtf. At least have some denouement wherein a bunch of storm troopers or tie fighters swoop in and scare Obi-Wan into hiding. A second season could have potential but it would best set up as Kung-Fu style roaming the galaxy adventure without any PT/OT baggage. Preferably no desert planets. I'm cautiously optimistic for Andor, though, with Tony Gilroy (Bourne!/Michael Clayton!/Rogue One!) at the helm.
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Robot Style posted:The other reason Natalie Holt gave for not including the iconic themes was that they didn't exist yet: And a rule that Rogue One already broke by using music that didn't show up until episode V.
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Jul 8, 2022 13:00
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Didn't the prequels also use a lot of the musical suite as a leitmotif to create similar musical themes that'd call the original trilogies music to mind, while being a little different? I wouldn't think that's really any different. Hell, the Wikipedia article on "The Imperial March" says the song is outright used a few times in the prequels, including in The Phantom Menace.
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Hell, Solo made the Imperial March diegetic by actually having it play in a recruitment ad.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Hell, Solo made the Imperial March diegetic by actually having it play in a recruitment ad. Vader realized the most important lesson of all, that you have to get your hands on the license and monetize that poo poo to work for you. Truly, he learned from the master of the Force, Darth Lucas. When he's in his isolation chamber he's not focusing his hatred to increase his power or anything, he's making marketing calls and ensuring that he's making that green 
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tsob posted:Didn't the prequels also use a lot of the musical suite as a leitmotif to create similar musical themes that'd call the original trilogies music to mind, while being a little different? I wouldn't think that's really any different. The Imperial March is embedded in Anakin's theme, just like the Emperor's theme is embedded in the final celebration theme (it sounds very different because it's in a major key).
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Bogus Adventure posted:just like the Emperor's theme is embedded in the final celebration theme (it sounds very different because it's in a major key). 
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tsob posted:Didn't the prequels also use a lot of the musical suite as a leitmotif to create similar musical themes that'd call the original trilogies music to mind, while being a little different? I wouldn't think that's really any different. If you want a thorough run-down this spreadsheet details all the leitmotifs, where they were first used, what other films used them, and more. EDIT: eg this bit from Phantom Menace has references to both Yoda's Theme and Imperial March/Vader's Theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pefoJcg6JzQ&t=59s Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOQBu-0N0ag Captain Splendid fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, and sometimes it was more direct and overt, like the use of the force theme Yeah, it's pretty great how much opera they put in the space opera that is Star Wars.
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Welp. That pretty much blew my my mind for the day. Time to go back to bed.
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It actually kind of bugs me that they so rarely reuse any of the prequel music. I don't really like those movies but the soundtracks are superb, and they always go for the same two or three OT themes. I mean yeah occasionally you'll hear Duel of the Fates, but where the gently caress is my Droid Invasion
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Hakkesshu posted:It actually kind of bugs me that they so rarely reuse any of the prequel music. I don't really like those movies but the soundtracks are superb, and they always go for the same two or three OT themes. I mean yeah occasionally you'll hear Duel of the Fates, but where the gently caress is my Droid Invasion It's sitting at home waiting for the phone call to come in, because droids haven't become relevant as an enemy numerous enough to be seen as invasive again. tsob fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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Hakkesshu posted:It actually kind of bugs me that they so rarely reuse any of the prequel music. I don't really like those movies but the soundtracks are superb, and they always go for the same two or three OT themes. I mean yeah occasionally you'll hear Duel of the Fates, but where the gently caress is my Droid Invasion Phantom Menace is one of John Williams best works. The whole score is superb, and as posted in the thread, uses callbacks very creatively. Having a kids choir up tempo-ing the low choir Emperor theme at the end is just amazing.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Hell, Solo made the Imperial March diegetic by actually having it play in a recruitment ad. Rebels also did it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TouCl6yp13A
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There's one odd musical callback when Anakin and Obi-Wan are fighting, where right after they do the spinny moves at each other Anakin dashes over a table and hits a console causing the heat shields to go down, and the music that's playing is the Force theme or whatever it's called, the same music that plays when Luke stares at the twin suns and burns Vader's body etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onRnL6MBunU&t=104s Always wondered why they put that bit of music there specifically
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Well, they're using the Force on each other there, so...
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tsob posted:Didn't the prequels also use a lot of the musical suite as a leitmotif to create similar musical themes that'd call the original trilogies music to mind, while being a little different? I wouldn't think that's really any different. Right out there at the end of AoTC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsmvJTHlMrc&t=136s
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Part 1 of a great 2 part documentary aired last night on Vice. Lot of good interviews with producers and editors and some of the actors and behind the scenes stuff i’ve never seen before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOaRJo-lqqg
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Okay, I think this one is way more neat than the rest because you really wouldn't get it unless you were tweaking the song around like this, and it completely fits with the bizarre incongruent feel of the Phantom Menace. The movie treats the heroes defeating the droid army as if the good guys are beating the bad guys. There's nothing in the movie itself that suggests otherwise. It's almost as if everyone making the movie has forgotten that both sides of this conflict are manufactured, and the heroes have won nothing, learned nothing, and are instead just acting as unwitting pawns in a game Palpatine is playing against himself. The unsettling implications are completely hidden under a cheerful adventure story, albeit one with rather dry stakes. You have to sit back and put it in the context of the rest of the movies to realize how pointless and sinister everything has been. And that's perfectly captured by the celebration music being the emperor's theme. There's nothing sinister about the celebration music itself. In the context of the Phantom Menace, it's just celebration music because the heroes have won. Legitimately cheerful and festive. You have to pay really close attention to uncover anything else about it. It's not part of the experience of the movie itself, it's part of the experience of thinking about the movie later. You could argue it's buried too deeply, and that may be. George Lucas is kind of insane. But I think it ends up being a pretty fitting commentary on the oblivious nature of America in the 90s. Not that George Lucas could have predicted what happened next, but I can totally see him being disturbed by how little people seemed to care in general and putting that into his Star Wars movie in the most obscure way possible. Maybe I'm taking it too far, but there's definitely a weird disconnect between the tone of the movie and the implications when you think about it that this musical theme really drives home, and I think that's neat.
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Gonz posted:Part 1 of a great 2 part documentary aired last night on Vice. Lot of good interviews with producers and editors and some of the actors and behind the scenes stuff i’ve never seen before. "Icons Unearthed" Oh, so it's mostly about Peter Cushing in Rogue One?
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What's this noise now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFqxbLTrvO0
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Eiba posted:Okay, I think this one is way more neat than the rest because you really wouldn't get it unless you were tweaking the song around like this, and it completely fits with the bizarre incongruent feel of the Phantom Menace. A kid pointed it out to me in 5th grade. He said the emperor song was like the emperor song but different
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The Prequels had a lot of good ideas. They are also exhibit A for the contentious "Star Wars was saved in the edit" theory. Lucas has lot of good ideas and some really loving terrible ones. He struggles with communicating his good ideas clearly while his bad ideas are as obvious as a blood stained prom dress and just as tacky.
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That DICK! posted:A kid pointed it out to me in 5th grade. He said the emperor song was like the emperor song but different you eat the emperor song in fifth grade for breakfast?
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Smythe posted:you eat the emperor song in fifth grade for breakfast?  No!
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Madurai posted:What's this noise now? HEY HEEEEEEEEEEEY
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Madurai posted:What's this noise now? *heavy breathing*
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Madurai posted:What's this noise now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqycJpRdVaY
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I hate babu frick
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CelticPredator posted:I hate babu frick Same.
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Basically the prequels are good and also my friends.
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Babu Frik is the best thing to come out of the Disney Star Wars movies. His name is Babu Frik which is top 5 Star War name.
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CelticPredator posted:I hate babu frick Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 14, 2022 |
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Push El Burrito posted:Babu Frik is the best thing to come out of the Disney Star Wars movies. Now that you say this, it makes me think of how two of the biggest franchises in the world regularly use silly names. The other being Gundam, which has characters with names like M'Quve, Quattro Bajeena, Cancer Kafka, Hilling Care etc. There was even a proposed character in the original draft of one show that didn't make it into the final product called Elbow Smash. Which, boy I want to live in the world where Elbow Smash was a character. The creator of the franchise, Yoshiyuki Tomino, noted in an interview that he originally started using silly names to see if sponsors and producers were paying attention and to see how much he could get away with, but that once he realized that they weren't paying attention he just started using buck wild names. Which continued after he stopped directing shows (for the most part) in the early 90s. I wonder if the naming for Star Wars has similar origins? Lucas at least seemed to come up with names by twisting related concepts just a little, hence Darth Icky or what have you, but maybe some of the other people involved over the years have had other reasons.
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