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Gaius Marius posted:Bass Pro Shop owns dude. Much better to idolize hunting and fishing gear then some old dead guy I- Gaius Marius posted:some old dead guy Gaius Marius You aren't named Hunting and Fishing Gear I see 
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Interesting Twitter thread about ancient seafaring in Assyrian/Phoenician times, the whole thing is worth a read, its got some crazy stories about experimental archaeologists almost drowning in poorly made boat-reconstructions: https://twitter.com/cwjones89/status/1547160424759451650
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Accidentally drowning, being cut or blown up is the best part about experimental archeology.
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CrypticFox posted:Interesting Twitter thread about ancient seafaring in Assyrian/Phoenician times, the whole thing is worth a read, its got some crazy stories about experimental archaeologists almost drowning in poorly made boat-reconstructions: fuckin owns
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Jul 14, 2022 06:19
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Seafaring technology was quite the game changer I imagine, and probably had a lot of skills that weren't written down, and even actively kept secret, and might have been lost and rediscovered probably multiple times. After all, having the ability to sail and navigate in the open ocean when others are still on square sails and staying within sight of the shore would be an incredible game changer, and probably why those Sea People kept loving so much poo poo up.
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Jul 14, 2022 07:41
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Probably a lot of expeditions in the past were just some captain getting hired or ordered to scout an area, he goes there, he comes back and submits a report, gets paid, says "well, that was crazy" and lives out his life, his report if written down ends up unread in some archive and eventually lost forever. I know of one incident just like that, the first expedition to round the Russian far east into Manchuria by sea and actually confirm Asia is not connected to North America, it was led by some cossack whose name I forget and only known because a scholar some hundred or so years later happened to stumble upon his written report. It was Simon Dezhnov in the 1640's and the report was discovered by Friedrich Müller about 80 years later. Grevling fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Jul 14, 2022 |
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Grevling posted:Probably a lot of expeditions in the past were just some captain getting hired or ordered to scout an area, he goes there, he comes back and submits a report, gets paid, says "well, that was crazy" and lives out his life, his report if written down ends up unread in some archive and eventually lost forever. Or in the case of Xu Fu, using it as a way to escape from a clearly insane ruler and becoming a king in Japan.
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Reading on Muslim court politics I've come across a lot of fratricide especially among the ottomans, but I was still shocked reading about the sucession of the Ottoman Empire from Sultan Murad III to his son Mehmed III in 1595. After his burial, Mehmed summoned his nineteen half brothers to swear fealty. The oldest was eleven years old. After they all kissed his hand, he had them circumcised and then strangled with silk handkerchiefs.
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Jul 15, 2022 16:54
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When you compare it to other succession systems where multiple entire lines of families could get wiped out, or where wars for succession end up killing thousands, inhuman though it seems perhaps it has it's not really a bad alternative.
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Jul 15, 2022 17:52
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Reading on Muslim court politics I've come across a lot of fratricide especially among the ottomans, but I was still shocked reading about the sucession of the Ottoman Empire from Sultan Murad III to his son Mehmed III in 1595. After his burial, Mehmed summoned his nineteen half brothers to swear fealty. The oldest was eleven years old. After they all kissed his hand, he had them circumcised and then strangled with silk handkerchiefs. Why circumcised? You'd think they were already circumcised, at least the older ones.
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Koramei posted:When you compare it to other succession systems where multiple entire lines of families could get wiped out, or where wars for succession end up killing thousands, inhuman though it seems perhaps it has it's not really a bad alternative. To be fair the Ottomans also had those as well, just only when the new ruler didn't get all his brothers strangled in time
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Jul 15, 2022 18:13
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Also why circumcise them if you're going to murder them immediately after?
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Jul 15, 2022 18:14
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Well you don't want to do it when they're dead, you'd have to touch a corpse and that's icky
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Jul 15, 2022 18:15
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It was for about 200 years too, and was put in place after a massive civil war between three brothers so it made some good sense.
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Jul 15, 2022 18:16
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PittTheElder posted:Also why circumcise them if you're going to murder them immediately after? Just completely guessing, but could it be some spiritual purity thing for the afterlife? Like in some sects of Christianity they'd scramble to baptize newborn babies in case they'd die young. Like yeah you're about to kill them all but they're still your brothers and members of the royal family, I expect you want them to be as comfortable as possible after you've made certain they're not gonna inconvenience you.
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edit: Koramei  PittTheElder posted:Also why circumcise them if you're going to murder them immediately after?
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Jul 15, 2022 18:27
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Presumably the circumcision is because islam (and also judaism and coptic christianity) mandates it, and you want to make sure your kid brothers are taken care of in the hereafter.
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Jul 15, 2022 18:28
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I'm guessing that dick pain is gonna make it harder to fight back
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Yeah you might be murdering children by the cartload but there's no need to be a dick heh about it
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CrypticFox posted:Interesting Twitter thread about ancient seafaring in Assyrian/Phoenician times, the whole thing is worth a read, its got some crazy stories about experimental archaeologists almost drowning in poorly made boat-reconstructions: Lol this is pretty loving funny though: https://twitter.com/cwjones89/status/1441037139886710787
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PittTheElder posted:Also why circumcise them if you're going to murder them immediately after? Circumcision happens at a later age in Turkey with a whole coming of age celebration and party these days with being able to recite lines from the Quran(sorta like a bar mitzvah).  you also get a baller as gently caress outfit and they circumcise you infront of all your family, then parade you. My Turkish friends would never give up a chance to show off their circumcision pictures where all their uncles are drunkenly laughing around them while they are getting snipped. So i guess having a party and turning into a man? ughhhh fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Huh, that's interesting. I thought Korea was the only place that did weirdly late circumcision (sixth grade is normal so uh, 11/12?).
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Reading on Muslim court politics I've come across a lot of fratricide especially among the ottomans, but I was still shocked reading about the sucession of the Ottoman Empire from Sultan Murad III to his son Mehmed III in 1595. After his burial, Mehmed summoned his nineteen half brothers to swear fealty. The oldest was eleven years old. After they all kissed his hand, he had them circumcised and then strangled with silk handkerchiefs. Ottoman fratricide is one of the more overblown aspects of their monarchy. The incident you're describing here is one of two where an incoming sultan murdered all their kid brothers, and the horrific element of it led the succeeding sultan Ahmed I to ban royal executions of this nature. Previous examples of Ottoman fratricide were mainly the results of succession wars, which were common throughout Europe in the early modern period. Ottoman succession crises would come from (half)-brothers rather than cousins because their royal families would just have a lot of brothers around due to taking multiple wives.
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Grand Fromage posted:Huh, that's interesting. I thought Korea was the only place that did weirdly late circumcision (sixth grade is normal so uh, 11/12?). Pretty common among peoples in Sub-Saharan Africa as an initiation into manhood, too.
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In Kazakhstan you still do sundet rituals, but at around 4-6, so earlier than 12 but well within the times you can remember and form horrible memories out of. And the kid doesn't even get a cool outfit. https://old.qazaqtv.com/en/programms/viewArchive?id=14308 You get a very special bath and a very steppe nomad haircut, a nice hat, but it's not nearly like that. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Lol this is pretty loving funny though: Assyrian Kings have some great stuff where they talk about super basic stuff in heroic terms. Here's another one from 3 years earlier: https://twitter.com/cwjones89/status/1354448524516192264
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Tunicate posted:I'm guessing that dick pain is gonna make it harder to fight back Pretty sure this literally happened in the Bible once.
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Devarim 25:11 through 13 כִּֽי־יִנָּצ֨וּ אֲנָשִׁ֤ים יַחְדָּו֙ אִ֣ישׁ וְאָחִ֔יו וְקָֽרְבָה֙ אֵ֣שֶׁת הָֽאֶחָ֔ד לְהַצִּ֥יל אֶת־אִישָׁ֖הּ מִיַּ֣ד מַכֵּ֑הוּ וְשָׁלְחָ֣ה יָדָ֔הּ וְהֶחֱזִ֖יקָה בִּמְבֻשָֽׁיו If two parties are fighting—one man with another—and the wife of one comes up to save her husband from his antagonist and puts out her hand and seizes him by his genitals, 12 וְקַצֹּתָ֖ה אֶת־כַּפָּ֑הּ לֹ֥א תָח֖וֹס עֵינֶֽךָ you shall cut off her hand; show no pity. 13 לֹֽא־יִהְיֶ֥ה לְךָ֛ בְּכִֽיסְךָ֖ אֶ֣בֶן וָאָ֑בֶן גְּדוֹלָ֖ה וּקְטַנָּֽה You shall not have in your pouch alternate weights, larger and smaller. Well alrighty then, almighty creator of the universe, these mitzvot are equally of vital importance
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Who put niqqud on those ancient texts? It's not real Torah if you aren't having to blindly guess the vowels!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty sure this literally happened in the Bible once. quote:Because their sister Dinah had been defiled, Jacob's sons replied deceitfully as they spoke to Shechem and his father Hamor. 14 They said to them, 'We can't do such a thing; we can't give our sister to a man who is not circumcised. That would be a disgrace to us. 15 We will enter into an agreement with you on one condition only: that you become like us by circumcising all your males. 16 Then we will give you our daughters and take your daughters for ourselves. We'll settle among you and become one people with you. 17 But if you will not agree to be circumcised, we'll take our sister and go.'
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Devarim 25:11 through 13 Yeah using false weights is a real dixk move
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:כִּֽי־יִנָּצ֨וּ אֲנָשִׁ֤ים יַחְדָּו֙ אִ֣ישׁ וְאָחִ֔יו וְקָֽרְבָה֙ אֵ֣שֶׁת הָֽאֶחָ֔ד לְהַצִּ֥יל אֶת־אִישָׁ֖הּ מִיַּ֣ד מַכֵּ֑הוּ וְשָׁלְחָ֣ה יָדָ֔הּ וְהֶחֱזִ֖יקָה בִּמְבֻשָֽׁיו so what you're saying is that a priest definitely got his balls crushed at some point in history
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So much of the worlds religious taboos and proscriptions are so very obviously the pet peeve or traumatic memory of the individual writer.
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galagazombie posted:So much of the worlds religious taboos and proscriptions are so very obviously the pet peeve or traumatic memory of the individual writer. The adult equivalent of when two kids are playing and one of the kids wins so the other kid starts inventing new rules.
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Imagine being Moses. Ok my son, here's the foundational religious rules that most of the human race will end up following, here's the specifics of my worship down to the cubit, here's a description of your death (you don't get to live in the promised land lmao), and then here's some stuff that we need to remember because one of your brother's descendants is gonna have his balls smashed and then get Ea-Nasir'd. It'll be a bad day.Imagined posted:The adult equivalent of when two kids are playing and one of the kids wins so the other kid starts inventing new rules. God, attested posted:"My children have triumphed over Me; My children have triumphed over Me! Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jul 16, 2022 |
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galagazombie posted:So much of the worlds religious taboos and proscriptions are so very obviously the pet peeve or traumatic memory of the individual writer. How do I get in on this? Cuz I got one. "It was loving Sumer not Sumeria, Sumerian is the adjective for Sumer. For if he says Sumeria he shall be surely and instantly put to death." I don't get why that's so common but it instantly makes me write off whatever I'm reading, such a basic thing to get constantly wrong and also my stupidest and most trivial pet peeve. I feel like, of all historical places, ancient Mesopotamia is probably the most full of people talking out their rear end, maybe 2nd to Egypt but either way they're close.
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Desperately hoping question 7 caused schoolyard brawls.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Desperately hoping question 7 caused schoolyard brawls. I guarantee it did.
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