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Gerund posted:The only way the SCOTUS blows a hole in this is if they argue that the structure of "do this or we withold funding" that holds together the entire federal system is unconstitutional. Considering that these days we're seriously weighing the possibility of dissolving the administrative state and eliminating the direct election of presidents, I don't know if I'd take a bet they wouldn't do that
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Gerund posted:The only way the SCOTUS blows a hole in this is if they argue that the structure of "do this or we withold funding" that holds together the entire federal system is unconstitutional. That's maybe not as much of a threat to them as it may sound. They're pretty specifically gunning to destroy "the administrative state" as a decades long goal.
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Republicans posted:LOL they'll dump it as soon as the chuds catch wind. "The chuds" are the ones organizing this outreach; did you miss the earlier stories about the GOP establishing community centers in Hispanic areas & getting voters to switch party registration? I'd reckon this approach might be more popular among immigrants than sending the First Lady to Hispanic groups to deliver paternalistic tortured similes & pronunciations, but I haven't seen any polling among Hispanic voters post-Dr. Jill's speech the other day. PT6A posted:A lot of conservatives are adamant that immigration is okay if people do it The Right Way (the Right Way being only extended to people they like, in general) it's just all those MS-13 caravans that are the problem; that's a sufficient fig leaf for them to feel their racism is excused and try to fish a new pool of voters. Surprisingly, there are surveys that show similar sentiment among earlier-generation immigrant voters about legal immigration. PT6A posted:Just look at all those sufficiently pale fuckers who "lost their family farm in Cuba" and had no choice but to flee to Cuba. They fit right in! Your large adult son could even become a senator for Texas, with that kind of plucky, upstart background. Again, from the story I posted: quote:The RNC said as of January 2021 there were more than 9.2 million lawful permanent residents who are eligible to become citizens and vote but have not been naturalized, almost 2.5 million of whom are from Mexico. Is there a parallel outreach effort among Democratic leaders & the DNC toward naturalized citizens? Nelson Mandingo posted:That worked out so well for them after 2012. Actually, the 2020 vote-split vs. the 2016 vote-split among Hispanic voters shows that something is working as far as being wooed by the right, as does the GOP flipping a House seat this year in a Texas special election. Whether it'll hold, much less accelerate, is another story--but I'd caution anyone paying attention to party politics to spurn caricaturing & ventriloquizing on behalf of "the chuds" (all 70 million of them!) in favor of heeding how the GOP is doing outreach this year, especially as part of an effort toward the long term. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jul 14, 2022 |
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Yinlock posted:I thought the $ They did whine about spending when the stimulus happened, but nobody in power gave a poo poo about high inflation until wages started rising. We had like 6 or 7 of steadily growing inflstion before wages started increasing.
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Mr Hootington posted:They did whine about spending when the stimulus happened, but nobody in power gave a poo poo about high inflation until wages started rising. We had like 6 or 7 of steadily growing inflstion before wages started increasing. I mean high inflation IS eventually a bad thing its just that we've had years of no to very low inflation. Similarly, if Jamie Dimon hates what the government is doing, I imagine its probably the actual right thing to do. quote:JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon didn’t mince words when it came to the regulatory process that forced his bank to suspend its stock buybacks. Sure we almost cratered the economy a few times and have been running fraudulent schemes for years but TRUST US this is actually bad.
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VideoGameVet posted:This is a nicely done tweet Utilizing the language of fascists to try and own them online just promotes their language.
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Willa Rogers posted:
On top of this, there's really zero excuse for the Dems to not be doing waaay better at outreach, both national and local, to every potential voter demographic. It's actually really embarrassing, especially given our access to top level Hollywood talent. If the GOP wants to put on a fundraiser or something they basically get Kid Rock, a few country singers, and James Woods or Jon Voight. We can get pretty much everyone else. Abrams and her cadre are basically carrying this party on their backs right now.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I mean high inflation IS eventually a bad thing its just that we've had years of no to very low inflation. The inflation that is happening at the moment is bad.
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Gerund posted:The only way the SCOTUS blows a hole in this is if they argue that the structure of "do this or we withold funding" that holds together the entire federal system is unconstitutional. The Medicaid expansion portion of the ACA was supposed to be driven by states losing their existing Medicaid funds if they didn't do the expansion. The Supreme Court ruled this as unconstitutionally coercive, which is why a number of states haven't expanded while still keeping their Medicaid funding. The court felt no need to blow up the entirety of that general structure in doing so.
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Ivana Trump is dead, has the Big Guy made a classic E: RIP to a lady who really loved pizza https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1547670269656850434?t=STF7qryjV1lMl5gMhE9emw&s=19 Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jul 14, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Actually, the 2020 vote-split vs. the 2016 vote-split among Hispanic voters shows that something is working as far as being wooed by the right, as does the GOP flipping a House seat this year in a Texas special election. Not just Hispanics - most minorities gained ground with the GOP in 2020.
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Willa Rogers posted:
Oh absolutely. I'm just saying that it was funny how one of the takeaways from 2012 from their own internal postmortem was the GOP has to do minority outreach with a focus on latinos because they're the biggest growing bloc and as black adder pointed out, tend to be socially conservative. But then Trump comes out the gates in 2016 with They're Not Sending Their Best stuff. And now it's 2022 and it's back to wanting latino outreach again.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Not just Hispanics - most minorities gained ground with the GOP in 2020. Trump did worse among black voters in both elections than any modern Republican except the guy who ran against the first black President. He improved from an incredibly low amount in 2016, but was still lower than George W. Bush. He only got 8% of the black vote and "improved" from 6.5%.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Ivana Trump is dead, has the Big Guy made a classic https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1547677629066530818
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It's time for the Donald J. Trump My First Ex-Wife Is Dead Celebration Extravaganza Luncheon! Book your tickets now, only $500 and a continuing $150/month per-authorized recurring donation a head! BE THERE!
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Failed Imagineer posted:Ivana Trump is dead, has the Big Guy made a classic https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/14/nyregion/ivana-trump-dead.html quote:The New York City police were investigating whether Ms. Trump fell down the stairs at her townhouse on the Upper East Side, according to two law enforcement officials with knowledge of the matter. One of the officials said that there was no sign of forced entry at the home and that the death appeared to be accidental. A spokeswoman for the city’s chief medical examiner’s office said it would investigate the death. wtf
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can somebody clarify something for me with the 10 year old abortion story? so the girl lived in ohio, and saw a doctor, who then referred her to another doctor in indiana, because in indiana they have rape exceptions for abortions. but at the same time, the AG in indiana is also planning on criminally investigating the doctor for...what exactly?
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Mr Interweb posted:can somebody clarify something for me with the 10 year old abortion story? Political points, I'd guess
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I wish I could explain, but that would send me into a murderous rage again.
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Mr Interweb posted:can somebody clarify something for me with the 10 year old abortion story? They claimed it was because the doctor did not properly disclose the rape as she was required to do. Her lawyer says she did. We all know why they *really* are investigating her.
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ryde posted:They claimed it was because the doctor did not properly disclose the rape as she was required to do. Her lawyer says she did. wait what? why...wouldn't she report the rape?
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Mr Interweb posted:can somebody clarify something for me with the 10 year old abortion story? They want to make sure that all women, doctors, and anyone who helps any woman get an abortion in any capacity is afraid they'll be charged with crimes. Everything is just an excuse to fulfill that goal, so they're going to make up random nonsense based on whatever they make up that sounds the most plausible at the time (first it was that the story was fake, then it was that it was a HIPAA violation to talk about how the child got an abortion, then it was child abuse to leave the state because it's perfectly legal in Ohio, then it was that they broke the law by not reporting, etc. They just make up random poo poo to make people afraid they're going to get targeted by the law)
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nine-gear crow posted:It's time for the Donald J. Trump My First Ex-Wife Is Dead Celebration Extravaganza Luncheon! don't be ridiculous they'd do the full $500/mo recurring
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Mr Interweb posted:wait what? why...wouldn't she report the rape? Do not be confused about the reality of the situation. They have no idea if she did or not, and they don't care. In fact, it even helps their goal if she did report. Their goal is to make it as legally frightening as possible to give this health care. They want doctors scared that if they do right by their patients, they could lose their license and go to jail, EVEN IF they do everything correctly and legally. There is no rational basis for any of the accusations that are being made. They are literally just making poo poo up to make it as scary as possible.
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Mr Interweb posted:wait what? why...wouldn't she report the rape? Well she claims she did so its a moot point in this case, buuuuuut.... In our brave new world if a 10 year old girl goes to see a doctor who then reports a rape, then it's not too difficult to figure out why the 10 year old girl saw that doctor in the first place. Basically, doctors have to choose to report rape and subsequently paint a target on their patients' backs, or avoid reporting it and leave it up to the victim (who is similarly disincentivized to report, lest the authorities start asking questions about why they visited a doctor 4 weeks after being raped).
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ryde posted:Well she claims she did so its a moot point in this case, buuuuuut.... right, i didn't mean to imply she didn't. i was wondering why republicans would think what possible reason she would have to NOT report a rape Lemming posted:Do not be confused about the reality of the situation. They have no idea if she did or not, and they don't care. In fact, it even helps their goal if she did report. Their goal is to make it as legally frightening as possible to give this health care. They want doctors scared that if they do right by their patients, they could lose their license and go to jail, EVEN IF they do everything correctly and legally. There is no rational basis for any of the accusations that are being made. They are literally just making poo poo up to make it as scary as possible. Lemming posted:They want to make sure that all women, doctors, and anyone who helps any woman get an abortion in any capacity is afraid they'll be charged with crimes. Everything is just an excuse to fulfill that goal, so they're going to make up random nonsense based on whatever they make up that sounds the most plausible at the time (first it was that the story was fake, then it was that it was a HIPAA violation to talk about how the child got an abortion, then it was child abuse to leave the state because it's perfectly legal in Ohio, then it was that they broke the law by not reporting, etc. They just make up random poo poo to make people afraid they're going to get targeted by the law) now these make a lot more sense
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ryde posted:Well she claims she did so its a moot point in this case, buuuuuut.... She is required to do so within 3 days. Her lawyer says she did after two days. The AG says he is verifying, but hasn't gotten the documentation from the state HHS yet. He says that, if she didn't follow the law, then he would be prosecuting her. But, he doesn't have the documentation yet and is basically just speculating publicly to show how pro-life he is/intimidate people. It's the equivalent of saying, "Look, if Bob had sex with that goat, then he would go to jail. I have no evidence that he did engage in carnal pleasure with that goat, but I want everyone to know that I am looking in to what Bob did with that goat and will do what is needed if it turns out he hosed that goat. Which, again, nobody has accused him of and I have no evidence that he did. But, I am going to check that he didn't sleep with that goat and confirm. And he is going to prison if he did."
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Oh absolutely. I'm just saying that it was funny how one of the takeaways from 2012 from their own internal postmortem was the GOP has to do minority outreach with a focus on latinos because they're the biggest growing bloc and as black adder pointed out, tend to be socially conservative. But then Trump comes out the gates in 2016 with They're Not Sending Their Best stuff. They've been doing it the whole time, and it's been successful, because they have fuckall competition. Democrats just sit firmly believing in Demographics Are Destiny, and dismantled ACORN because Republicans obviously lied about it.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Supply chain logistics on the other hand, are harder to solve. National Port Authority patterned on the state level ones like GPA or Virginia Port Authority. Then have far inland rail ingating to ocean marine terminals. Also pool chassis.
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There's not just the threat of bullshit legal actions they're targeting the doctor with. There is a very, very long and active history of these doctors getting murdered. They know it, the doctors know it, and it is absolutely intentional.
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Lemming posted:Do not be confused about the reality of the situation. They have no idea if she did or not, and they don't care. In fact, it even helps their goal if she did report. Their goal is to make it as legally frightening as possible to give this health care. They want doctors scared that if they do right by their patients, they could lose their license and go to jail, EVEN IF they do everything correctly and legally. There is no rational basis for any of the accusations that are being made. They are literally just making poo poo up to make it as scary as possible. And bird food bathtub posted:There's not just the threat of bullshit legal actions they're targeting the doctor with. There is a very, very long and active history of these doctors getting murdered. They know it, the doctors know it, and it is absolutely intentional. Are both extremely true and what is happening here.
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It seems like Manchin called the White House’s bluff on that pipeline thing https://twitter.com/tonyromm/status/1547750192325136384?s=21&t=Licy2ARVBQgoNlNpk7QasQ
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Here's the full article:quote:Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall. As the article mentions, the healthcare stuff Manchin's still talking about (Medicare drug negotiation and extending ACA subsidies) is something he's been pushing in association with $200 billion in deficit reduction, which seems hard to square with not increasing taxes, so even that is looking iffy.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It seems like Manchin called the White House’s bluff on that pipeline thing President Manchin strikes again.
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The hard truth is nothing works with Manchin/Sinema. Nothing would have worked with these numbers. Like I said a year and a half ago, they needed 52-53 seats and didn’t get it. Seems that all that’s left now is confirming judges and waiting to see how much Republican overstepping the country can take after either 2024 or 2028.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:She is required to do so within 3 days. Yep, the ag is trying to intimidate everyone involved to show how chuddy he is. https://twitter.com/rachelolding/status/1547779208369213447 Bugsy fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Ah yes manchin the guy who got the countrys credit rating to DROP because he wouldn't support the BBB. Great stuff he definitely has our econimic interests in mind.
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yronic heroism posted:The hard truth is nothing works with Manchin/Sinema. Nothing would have worked with these numbers. Like I said a year and a half ago, they needed 52-53 seats and didn’t get it. Seems that all that’s left now is confirming judges and waiting to see how much Republican overstepping the country can take after either 2024 or 2028. During his campaign for the Presidency, Biden campaigned on his experience in the Senate and as Vice-President in the Obama administration, and promised that he would be able to get support from "three, four or five Republicans". quote:https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-president-biden-bet-on-a-senate-that-no-longer-exists Furthermore, prior to the Senate wins of Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff in 2021, the Democrats had 48 seats in the Senate. At the time of Warnock and Ossoff's Senate campaigns, Biden had said that "By electing Jon and the Reverend, you can break the gridlock that has gripped Washington and this nation". This is an implicit promise that 48 + 2 = 50 votes in the Senate is sufficient to pass his legislative goals. quote:https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/remarks-president-elect-joe-biden-georgia-senate-drive-rally-atlanta-georgia The voters duly came out and voted Warnock and Ossoff into the Senate, and brought the Democrats to 50 seats in the Senate. So was Biden: (i) Lying about (a) being able to persuade Republican senators to vote for his agenda, and/or (b) 50 Democratic Party Senators being sufficient to pass his agenda; or (ii) Merely incompetent in being unable to deliver on his promises? And whether it is Biden lying or being incompetent, how can voters trust that 52 - 53 Senate seats will now be magically sufficient?
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RandomUserString posted:So was Biden: My personal take is that you can combine the two options and form (iii) Biden, who has been getting his wallet inspected by the GOP since BEFORE his brain turned to soup, honestly believed he could get republicans on side because he genuinely doesn't seem to realise that the presidency would put him in a position where they want different things than he does.
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RandomUserString posted:During his campaign for the Presidency, Biden campaigned on his experience in the Senate and as Vice-President in the Obama administration, and promised that he would be able to get support from "three, four or five Republicans". To be very precise, he didn't say he himself would persuade the Republican senators, but that they would have an "epiphany" after Trump left, perhaps due to a lack of Trump's "vindictiveness" toward those who displeased him. He was still wrong or lying of course. To answer your question, if there are 2 senators who regularly fail to vote with the Democrats, and 52-53 Senators were Democrats, there would be no magic necessary for Democrats to be able to pass legislation. However, this does assume that the new Democratic senators elected were not similar to Manchin and Sinema. If we assume, based on the Senate's current makeup that Democrats have a 2/50 chance of being like Manchin and Sinema, then the probability of neither of the new senators being like them would be 92%. some plague rats posted:My personal take is that you can combine the two options and form (iii) Biden, who has been getting his wallet inspected by the GOP since BEFORE his brain turned to soup, honestly believed he could get republicans on side because he genuinely doesn't seem to realise that the presidency would put him in a position where they want different things than he does. It may be a case for Hanlon's razor, yes.
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