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OctaviusBeaver posted:Didn't he build a distress beacon from RadioShack parts and they called a bug fighter down and got captured? Maybe that wasn't a z space thing though. It was, but they had to steal Chapman's transponder to get it working. It's why they morph ants.
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Chapter 11quote:I can’t wait to get away from those lunatics at the office.” Dad stuffed a handful of underwear and shorts into the open suitcase on the bed. “I’m glad I had those sick days stored up. People get all crazy over some stupid piece of electronics that probably won’t work anyway.” So a few things in this chapter. First, the power of Chee holograms yet again win out, as well as the fact that both Chee could take and survive concentrated Dracon fire, for all that Erek's "dad" is pretty badly damaged (but fixable). Also, what do you think about Marco not trying to save Nora. Sensible? Oversight on his part? Him still having the idea that his parents will reunite and Nora not being a part of that plan? Chapter 12 quote:“Akka upe ozo oti. Scule! Muta pule.” So first, we get to hear more of what's probably Gallard. It could be the Yeerk language, I guess, but given that Ax can understand it, I'm guessing Gallard. And now Marco has an opportunity....a very brief opportunity to save his mother, due to Visser-One's disgrace and punishment. But saving his mother will probably mean Visser Three's promotion, which could lead to the earth's devastation.
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# ? Jul 9, 2022 04:47 |
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Marco having conflicting feelings about Nora especially rings pretty true here. She's someone his dad cares a lot about, but emotionally he's been preparing on some level to rescue his mom since before she came into the picture and I have the feeling that even if he had more time and a choice in the matter he probably would have let the Yeerks take her. And also for all they're framing this as letting Visser 3 get the promotion... he's already gonna get it. Visser 1 is sentenced to death (and Visser 2 is still 'Yeerk not appearing in this Narrative') for things entirely outside of their control already and its not clear how they could realistically stop Visser 3's ascension and the change of plans for the invasion at this point. It does kind of make me wonder why they're killing Eva though, she should still be a pretty good host body. You'd think one of the Taxxon Council of 13 members would be itching to trade up into her even if they don't want any lower level Yeerks to learn her secrets. Zore fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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Zore posted:Marco having conflicting feelings about Nora especially rings pretty true here. She's someone his dad cares a lot about, but emotionally he's been preparing on some level to rescue his mom since before she came into the picture and I have the feeling that even if he had more time and a choice in the matter he probably would have let the Yeerks take her. I don't think he would have let the Yeerks take her, honestly. That's pretty monstrous, and for all the questionable things they've done up until now, "condemning someone to mental slavery because she's not your real mom" doesn't really come anywhere close. Being focused on your "real family" is a good enough explanation for me, and honestly, there's a better than even chance she was taken in the hours after Marco went full gorilla when rescuing his dad. Zore posted:It does kind of make me wonder why they're killing Eva though, she should still be a pretty good host body. You'd think one of the Taxxon Council of 13 members would be itching to trade up into her even if they don't want any lower level Yeerks to learn her secrets. Well, the only real candidate would be the Council of Thirteen, as Eva would have far, far too much information to be handed to anyone else, and honestly, being a Taxxon probably isn't that bad if you're waited on hand and foot... and arm and head and... well, you get the idea.
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# ? Jul 9, 2022 06:21 |
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quote:The kid in that photo had prepared his last frozen pizza dinner. Had gone to his last math class. Had seen his last movie at the Cineplex. God daaaaaamn this book has all the lines that stick with me
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# ? Jul 9, 2022 09:09 |
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drat, I feel bad for Nora. Not only is she enslaved but she believes her family is dead. She's in such a horrible place right now. Also it's not hard to imagine that this kind of situation has happened to other poor people. I got spoiled about stuff later in this book and man, I am gonna have some things to say.
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Capfalcon posted:I don't think he would have let the Yeerks take her, honestly. That's pretty monstrous, and for all the questionable things they've done up until now, "condemning someone to mental slavery because she's not your real mom" doesn't really come anywhere close. Being focused on your "real family" is a good enough explanation for me, and honestly, there's a better than even chance she was taken in the hours after Marco went full gorilla when rescuing his dad. Agreed. Rescuing his father was already one huge, improbable success, and not only was there more to do with him after he rescued him, it's almost a guarantee that the Yeerks went for Marco's house and infested Nora immediately, because where else is his father going to want to go after escaping that situation? Even if Marco had said "yes, we need to get Nora out now" right after the fight, the Yeerks still would probably have gotten to her faster than Marco could have gotten the team together. He's beating himself up because something terrible has happened to her and it feels like he could have prevented it, but it's much more likely he would have gotten himself and his father captured and/or killed.
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# ? Jul 9, 2022 15:13 |
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This book is doing an incredible job of capturing the surreality of the realization that parts of your life are completely and utterly over and how mundane and natural it seems and how cosmic and huge it seems at the same time. This is great, I wish I had stuck through the ghostwritten monster of the day books until I got back to this. While the filler books were fine and had a lot of good strong stuff mixed within, it really feels like after the first dozen or so books it does lose a lot of its really BRUTAL aspects that are only showing up again in here.
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# ? Jul 9, 2022 18:21 |
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The death fake out is a bit off and feels too easy to me - surely the Yeerks would try to infest his dad again rather than just kill him?disaster pastor posted:Agreed. Rescuing his father was already one huge, improbable success, and not only was there more to do with him after he rescued him, it's almost a guarantee that the Yeerks went for Marco's house and infested Nora immediately, because where else is his father going to want to go after escaping that situation? Even if Marco had said "yes, we need to get Nora out now" right after the fight, the Yeerks still would probably have gotten to her faster than Marco could have gotten the team together. He's beating himself up because something terrible has happened to her and it feels like he could have prevented it, but it's much more likely he would have gotten himself and his father captured and/or killed. I agree with this - but without a doubt, he would have taken the risk and tried if it had been his dad or his own mum. And part of the reason he's beating himself up is because he knows that. FlocksOfMice posted:This book is doing an incredible job of capturing the surreality of the realization that parts of your life are completely and utterly over and how mundane and natural it seems and how cosmic and huge it seems at the same time. And how suddenly and unexpectedly it can happen
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 03:29 |
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freebooter posted:I agree with this - but without a doubt, he would have taken the risk and tried if it had been his dad or his own mum. And part of the reason he's beating himself up is because he knows that. Yeah, and to be clear this is mostly what I meant about Marco feeling guilty. Because he can absolutely make the choice not to save Nora here but there isn't a chance in hell he'd make the same decision for his own mother or father. Compounded by the fact that his dad cares about Nora a lot more than he does and realizing the pain he's gonna cause his dad.
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 03:37 |
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Chapter 13quote:I. had to say something. Had to let them know I hadn’t lost sight of the realities of this war. As much as Marco's dad is over his head and feeling out of control, he's no less intelligent or perceptive. Marco talks a lot about the traits he gets from his mom, but I think he gets a lot from his dad too. Chapter 14 quote:Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Is this the po-leese? I’m calling from the National Forest. I’ve got the darndest dang thing you ever did see trapped up here. It’s some kind of monster with blades all over it.” I hope they realize that if the Taxxon does make it, it'll eat the tied up Hork-Bajir.
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 04:09 |
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quote:They could be unofficial governors of the valley… Lol, problematic
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# ? Jul 10, 2022 04:22 |
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freebooter posted:Lol, problematic Yeah... there's a big jump from "my parents could live together and teach their hosts things" to "...and they could even run the place soon enough!" More generally, this plan... really stinks. They jump some pilots, then fly the same ship back to the pool and hope no one notices? That the ship isn't gonna have anyone checking in with updates on the search? As a side note, the Animorphs' Hork-Bajir morph (both of them) should be on every wanted poster in the Yeerk Empire by now. Capfalcon fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Jul 10, 2022 |
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freebooter posted:Lol, problematic In his defense, he realizes it's a dumb idea himself
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Chapter 15quote:“How cool is this? This has got to be a limited edition sport model. I mean, wow. The Yeerks must only have made a few hundred of these.” Remember kids, always wear your seatbelts. I'm also not sure which I like better....Ax reassuring Marco that this is a standard model bug fighter, or Ax being both overconfident and unable to drive the ship. Chapter 16 quote:“Yaaaaaaaaaah!” It seems to me the big problem with all of them morphing Hork-Bajir is that the Yeerks use Taxxon controllers to fly their ships. The last chapter even brings up that the controls are designed for the many limbs of a Taxxon. So, you know, if I'm some Controller who sees them leave the ship, by first question is, "Who was piloting?"
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# ? Jul 11, 2022 04:24 |
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Chapter 17quote:Six Hork-Bajir backed down the debarkation ladder and stepped onto a hard concrete floor. I, for one, was doing my best to look extremely mean. Running is a good idea. Also, there's something particularly sadistic about sentencing somebody to Kandrona starvation and then chaining their host next to a Kandrona pool. Very Visser Three Chapter 18 quote:Jake raised his bladed elbows and sliced into the wall of Hork-Bajir trying to restrain him. As dangerous as it is to attack the pool, it's also sort of the place the Yeerks are least prepared for an attack. First, it's "their" place...the place on earth they feel safe and protected. Second, there are so many Yeerks who aren't direct combatants; that are there for feeding or relaxation or other tasks, that Pool Security has to be careful they don't hurt or kill people on their own side.
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Epicurius posted:Second, there are so many Yeerks who aren't direct combatants; that are there for feeding or relaxation or other tasks, that Pool Security has to be careful they don't hurt or kill people on their own side. ...have they exhibited such caution before?
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# ? Jul 12, 2022 06:48 |
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Fuschia tude posted:...have they exhibited such caution before? Yeah, we've seen the Animorphs use Human/Hork-Bajir/Yeerks as shields before, especially if Visser 3 isn't there to push the issue. Besides him very few Yeerks really seem into casually killing their compatriots or underlings. The only people everyone seems willing to always sacrifice is Taxxons
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# ? Jul 12, 2022 07:36 |
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Sorry, but new chapters tomorroe.
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# ? Jul 13, 2022 04:23 |
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Chapter 19quote:I moved to a window. The red, bloodshot “eyes” of Bug fighters everywhere were coming to life. Well, they saved his mom. Visser One is still free, though, for now. Chapter 20 quote:“Bam! Visser Three has a new toy.
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 02:47 |
A bievelird? As in, an evil bird?
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 03:03 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:A bievelird? As in, an evil bird? :Look, you try to keep coming up with names for alien animals....
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 03:29 |
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I still need to catch up with everything since... oh god, the Helmacrons, but I'm glad I skipped ahead to catch up with this book.
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 03:45 |
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love how V3 always always stops to introduce his latest morph. He's so excited for show-and-tell with his andalite bandit buddies
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 05:17 |
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I feel like it's been a while since we got a new Visser Three morph.
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 05:38 |
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Funny how he always happens to have picked up the apex predator megafauna from all of these various planets. He was apparently off on a galaxy-spanning DNA collection safari during the years Visser One was on Earth setting up The Sharing.
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 07:40 |
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lmao Let's Read Animorphs: Mounds of guts and severed limbs everywhere!
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 13:38 |
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Fuschia tude posted:Funny how he always happens to have picked up the apex predator megafauna from all of these various planets. He was apparently off on a galaxy-spanning DNA collection safari during the years Visser One was on Earth setting up The Sharing. While Visser Three as a murder safari connoisseur is very believable, I wouldn't be surprised if he just told his underlings to ship the most dangerous animals to his Blade Ship and the one who shipped the weakest would be a test dummy. Or just told Iniss 226 to do it.
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 17:57 |
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Clearly Visser 3 just does what the Animorphs do and visits alien space zoos for cool new morphs.
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# ? Jul 14, 2022 18:04 |
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I still think my fave V3 moment was the time he couldn't be in the book because he had to go to a management conference on the moon
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Chapter 21quote:Tseeew! RIP Visser One. Eva is free. Chapter 22 quote:Mom?” What would you have done if you were Marco?
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# ? Jul 15, 2022 02:10 |
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drat, that's a good one. From a kids perspective, I totally understand Marco here at the end. But as an adult, I think Marco needs to accept that his Dad loves Nora more than Eva.
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# ? Jul 15, 2022 04:49 |
Well maybe, except for the whole "in the middle of a war that she's now a casualty of,"
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# ? Jul 15, 2022 05:06 |
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HisMajestyBOB posted:drat, that's a good one. I don't even know if that's true, but it doesn't have to be for the guy to be in a miserable situation. The guy mourned his wife, rebuilt his career from part time janitor to brilliant engineer reshaping the field of physics, and even managed to find love again. And now, on top of everything else that has been pulled out from under him over the last few days, his son is telling him that Nora never really loved him. Marco's honestly doing what he thinks is best for his Real Family, but it's still a monstrous thing to tell someone if you're not 100% convinced. On an unrelated note, the Yeerk Pool Jacuzzi definitely killed a lot of Yeerks that were completely defenseless, and we only get a moment of Cassie being upset instead of a longer discussion about it. Things have gone a long way from the beginning.
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# ? Jul 15, 2022 05:08 |
Is Marco doing what's best for his family, or is he acting to try keep his father focused and functional? I feel like it could be either...
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# ? Jul 15, 2022 05:17 |
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HisMajestyBOB posted:drat, that's a good one. I don't think it's necessarily fair to say he loves her less, but more that he's moved on. He took Eva's death extremely badly, but eventually he was able to accept his wife was dead, pull himself back together for his son, and eventually move on and find new love. Meanwhile, Marco never really got over it - he didn't completely implode like his dad did, but he was still feeling her loss right up until the start of the series, when he received incontrovertible proof that she was alive. And at that point, he couldn't move on, because he knew she wasn't dead, and his entire life refocused around the goal of fighting the Yeerks for both revenge and the chance to get her back. So it's not really a mature adult versus an immature kid reaction, or that his dad loves Nora more than Eva - it's that his dad, for completely valid reasons, let go, and Marco, for equally valid reasons, never did.
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# ? Jul 15, 2022 05:20 |
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Yeah, what Marco does here is completely understandable but also probably the coldest thing he does in the series. At least on an interpersonal level, not going to count all the mauling and mass murder
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# ? Jul 15, 2022 05:59 |
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Chapter 23quote:The waves lapped at the sandy shore. So, that's the book. I think it was really good, and I feel bad for the people who dropped the series after Australia. Just so people know, we have 10 books left, 9 series books and one Chronicles book. The next book is an Ax book called The Deception, by Elise Donner, who also wrote the Marco book where the Animorphs play Visser One against Visser Three, and the Rachel book where Jake is out of town, and Rachel has the Animorphs start an intimidation campaign against Controllers.
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# ? Jul 16, 2022 03:21 |
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Throwing Nora under the bus like that is a very hosed up thing for Marco to do, but there's not much else he could have done in the state he's in. Marco has completed his number one goal in this war. Now he just wants to keep his family safe and happy which right now includes making his dad completely write off Nora. His dad can't still love Nora because then he's gonna want to do anything to save her and put himself in danger. They probably have the means to rescue her but it would interfere with Marco's desire to finally have his happy family back which is the state of mind he's in right now. Nora could live with them in the Hork-Bajir valley but it would contribute to the image of a whole, unbroken family Marco has been wanting. From an obtuse perspective you could say that Marco traded the free will of one mother for another. I really feel bad for Nora even if everything turns out well in the end and the Yeerks being driven off Earth. She'll still think her family is dead unless the Animorphs become public knowledge. And if that does happen and Nora finds a way to contact Marco and his dad then she's gonna learn about Marco discarding her and learning about that kind of betrayal is really gonna gently caress her up. I wonder what Jake has been dealing with throughout all this. He's probably been questioned a bit by Tom and depending on what the public was told about Marco's disappearance he probably had to put up an act of grieving for his friend.
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dungeon cousin posted:They probably have the means to rescue her but it would interfere with Marco's desire to finally have his happy family back which is the state of mind he's in right now. Nora could live with them in the Hork-Bajir valley but it would contribute to the image of a whole, unbroken family Marco has been wanting. From an obtuse perspective you could say that Marco traded the free will of one mother for another. I'm not sure they do have the means to rescue her. Any apparent Andalite so much as breathes in her direction, the Yeerks are going to wonder if Marco and his dad are really dead or if something tricky is up, and they'll start investigating with Marco's friends. Freeing Eva was one thing, she's Visser One's host and even the Andalites would want her as an intelligence source. Nora is just some random Controller now. Anyway, yes, excellent book, though I'm still on the "Marco did nothing wrong and couldn't reasonably have saved Nora" side. And the next book is wild. (Plus, Ax finally gets his own spot in the rotation instead of sharing with Tobias, though there are barely enough books left for it to matter.)
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