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OwlFancier posted:I cannot get over the loving galaxy brain take of "wages can't keep pace with inflation" like, wat, you're literally saying that everything has to get more unaffordable over time, how the gently caress is that supposed to work and on the other hand, recorded history??? Yes but in history the miners murdered 3 billion people in cold blood and also Venezuela.
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That was very good. We just need a packaged response of why the wage-price spiral is nonsense in this instance - but what Owl says above is a pretty good universal comeback: "so if wages had kept up with inflation at any point since 2008, that would have caused a wage-price spiral? What's the long-term plan?"
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Tesseraction posted:Yes but in history the miners murdered 3 billion people in cold blood and also Venezuela. But it's like, how the gently caress does that square with industrialization, what is industrialization for if not making things more cheaply? That is the supposed point of society where we get better at making things, if we are getting better at making the necessities of life but also everything is getting harder to afford then something, somewhere, is pissing a giant amount of cash into a hole in the ground. Are we supposed to believe that everything is actually much harder to make than it was in loving medieval times? Why shouldn't everything be getting cheaper and more available all the time?
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Things should get cheaper for the deserving rich, they should get more expensive for the idiots who chose to be born poor. Industrialisation is for the people born in wrong countries to do, we are a financialised economy and don't need any of that heavy machine crap. The only machines this country needs are computers and human cogs delivering my Moët
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Microplastics posted:Where are you getting all these express energy headlines. They're hilarious, I need to see the source Which makes it almost as funny as "social media promotes nothing but interracial gay hookups these days, it's filth" complaints from council members when certain cabinet members were going on about how their news feed was nothing but wokie criticism of our Brave Boris right before the coup, yeah that's what happens when you nonstop google poo poo about him. OwlFancier posted:But it's like, how the gently caress does that square with industrialization, what is industrialization for if not making things more cheaply?
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dark primitivist ann widdicombe believes that industrialization was entirely a conspiracy to change power in society and that humans are actually capable of building a ford fiesta in five minutes using some rocks and twigs if they are properly connected to nature, but that they shouldn't be allowed to.
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OwlFancier posted:I also really appreciate him describing profits as taking money out of the economy cos that's really it, isn't it? You go to work you do your job and a portion of that work just gets siphoned off into the infinite black hole of some rich wanker's bank account and it never sees the light of day again. Well not really, doesn't that money - once the bank has got it - end up being loaned? In theory those loans stimulate economic activity. Even if the rich person bought stocks and shares that kinda has the same effect, simulating investment by those companies (in theory) Now of the rich person just stuffs it into their mattress I guess that's another matter E: oh, and if the money leaves the country then yeah that is a problem. Maybe that's what you were alluding to (since I imagine a massive proportion does indeed go into offshore accounts)
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Not if that money just goes into pointless extraction poo poo like property. It produces nothing, it just takes money off people and puts it into the hands of increasingly wealthy people.
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OwlFancier posted:Given that you would have to have a very permissive recovery department for when people for whatever reason lose their one unified ID for everything or become victims of fraud, the question then becomes why the gently caress do we have all this poo poo in the first place if you're still going to have to post the government three bank statements to get your card back in the end? Link it to your biometrics and have everyone that needs to verify your ID with that card confirm it with a fingerprint scanner. Even if your card gets nicked its useless unless they snip off your thumbs as well. Also having info like your address and dob become less critical since you still need the fingerprint to verify. It really isn't that hard and it would make life so much easier than needing to cart around bank statements and utility bills. Also all immigrants already have ID cards that do some of the above courtesy of the home office. It would actually make things more equal if the locals have to carry them as well.
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What practical difference is there between a photo ID and a fingerprint scanner? You don't generally do fraud in person with photo IDs you do it with remote forms of verification.
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To go back to Labour chat, the only way for them to head to the left is if they take a real kicking at a GE and the true ghouls get the boot. If they win then it validates their move to the right and confirms to them that that is the correct and true way to go, and then nothing changes. My local MP is Labour with a reasonable but not huge majority, but he made it easy for me to not vote for him with his utterly pathetic replies when I sent him a question about his colleagues trying to amend the Council of Europe's report into the UK rapidly turning into a hellhole for LGBT+ people.
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Lungboy posted:To go back to Labour chat, the only way for them to head to the left is if they take a real kicking at a GE and the true ghouls get the boot. If they win then it validates their move to the right and confirms to them that that is the correct and true way to go, and then nothing changes. My local MP is Labour with a reasonable but not huge majority, but he made it easy for me to not vote for him with his utterly pathetic replies when I sent him a question about his colleagues trying to amend the Council of Europe's report into the UK rapidly turning into a hellhole for LGBT+ people. My local MP is Labour. She's the daughter of a cop and successfully pushed legislation to increase minimum sentencing for I won't be voting for her. Even if they get owned in the next GE I think they'll only take the lessons they want to take from it (gotta get more racist!) but I'm still not validating their bullshit with a vote. People round here still loving hate Blair to the point it comes up on the doorstep at election time, and all those old wounds are just going to be reopened by another Labour government that does nothing to help
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Tarnop posted:My local MP is Labour. She's the daughter of a cop and successfully pushed legislation to increase minimum sentencing for jesus that's cursed, I don't blame you
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OwlFancier posted:What practical difference is there between a photo ID and a fingerprint scanner? You don't generally do fraud in person with photo IDs you do it with remote forms of verification. Having worked directly with organising identity verification in person, a modern photo ID document is all you need. Up until and including level of receiving 6-figure mortgage.
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/pennymordaunt/status/1548032106114101248?s=21&t=NJroYMv3-aOmgxGZ5Ds6rw choosing to believe this https://twitter.com/binaryape/status/1548040814437093387
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Having worked directly with organising identity verification in person, a modern photo ID document is all you need. Up until and including level of receiving 6-figure mortgage. Sure, but what I'm saying is that I think the number of frauds that would be prevented by biometric ID is quite small, because generally if you are doing a fraud you are more likely to do it electronically and remotely, because that limits you to information-based verification methods which are easier to either acquire or spoof and put you at significantly less risk than walking into a bank with forged papers. And for that function, biometrics aren't helpful because they are also reduced to just information which can be provided in all sorts of ways, a fingerprint scanner is only useful if it's your scanner and you saw the person put their finger on it. If it's just some random electronic signal over the internet that says "hello I am definitely a real fingerprint scanner and I say this person is totally legit" then that counts for no more than any other form of electronic verification. Biometrics are useful only insofar as they essentially automate the process of verifying a photo ID by handing it off to machine. For that number of frauds I think you would be much better off spending money on making it easier for people to recover from them than trying to prevent them with ever more complex security measures. And more generally I just do not at all believe that a technological arms race between people trying to commit fraud and people trying to prevent it is actually winnable. At some point I think you've got to look at society and ask why the hell people need to have all this poo poo to worry about and why it should lead to ruination if they get it wrong. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/ASGunn/status/1548028238110216192 Wait why the gently caress is there a televised tory party leadership debate
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happyhippy posted:TIL Euan Blair got an MBE last month for 'services for education' when he has nothing to do with education at all. Lungboy posted:To go back to Labour chat, the only way for them to head to the left is if they take a real kicking at a GE and the true ghouls get the boot. If they win then it validates their move to the right and confirms to them that that is the correct and true way to go, and then nothing changes.
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Tsaedje posted:Wait why the gently caress is there a televised tory party leadership debate three of the fuckers, apparently
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Someone posted a recommendation and link to water absorbing towel things for hot weather a week or so back. I'd like to buy some but can't find the link. Anyone have it to hand? e: nm the search function actually did its job https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGG-TOGGS-Unisexs-Cooling-6-Pack/dp/B08L5LPDST/
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But it's only the parliamentary party that gets any say in this at this point, what possible justification is there for this?
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OwlFancier posted:Sure, but what I'm saying is that I think the number of frauds that would be prevented by biometric ID is quite small, because generally if you are doing a fraud you are more likely to do it electronically and remotely, because that limits you to information-based verification methods which are easier to either acquire or spoof and put you at significantly less risk than walking into a bank with forged papers. Right, my bad, I did misread your intent. You’re spot on, online is the primary channel for fraud, and stuff beyond generic commercial ID cards validators is mostly wasted. Sure, Latvia has a considerably more modern and effective system than that, but we are a small country with no legacy infrastructure. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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I'm doubtful we'll see PR in my lifetime, but a legal requirement that all MPs have to be reselected before every election, and rules that define how party leaders get elected (democratically, limiting the power of MPs to control who gets voted on) would limit some of the worst elements of FPTP.
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Tsaedje posted:Wait why the gently caress is there a televised tory party leadership debate it’s like we live in a one party state , oh hang on
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TACD posted:Thing is, I don’t think this is true. A Labour victory will validate their position, but the reverse isn’t true; a loss won’t make them reconsider their fundamental stance, only their tactics. Centre-right neoliberalism is The Only Acceptable Politics, and a massive loss won’t make them shift to the left because they consider it a totally invalid political philosophy, both as a matter of principle and as a matter of empirical fact (as proven by the Corbyn Years). Unfortunately, I think you're right. It would be one thing if the Labour right stayed rooted to the centre out of some sense of pragmatic attempt at vote-winning. That's what they say they're about ("Can't do anything unless you're in power...perfect is the enemy of good" and all that) but while it's easy to portray them as vapid weathercocks that do the bidding of focus groups it's not that simple. If that was the case they'd do the left-wing things that are consistently and demonstrably popular with the wider electorate, like unequivocal support for nationalisation of services and utilities, restoring the NHS, rent controls and higher taxes on wealth and higher incomes - all things that The Great British Public have said that they want for the past 20 years or so. Even a majority of Conservative voters want nationalised railways and the rich to pay more tax. But they won't. Because it's not Acceptable. It's also why Johnson lying is just the worst thing ever that brings shame on the country and its people, but Starmer lying to the lefties in his own party and then saying that he's proud to do so and would do it again (in fact, he can't wait for the chance to do it again) is fine. Because lefties (i.e. anyone more progressive than Ed Balls) aren't in the acceptable range of politics and therefore the rules of  don't apply.
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Tsaedje posted:But it's only the parliamentary party that gets any say in this at this point, what possible justification is there for this? Because it's something to fill the millions of hours of TV every day.
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TACD posted:Thing is, I don’t think this is true. A Labour victory will validate their position, but the reverse isn’t true; a loss won’t make them reconsider their fundamental stance, only their tactics. Centre-right neoliberalism is The Only Acceptable Politics, and a massive loss won’t make them shift to the left because they consider it a totally invalid political philosophy, both as a matter of principle and as a matter of empirical fact (as proven by the Corbyn Years). I didn't mean that Labour taking a kicking would guarantee a move back to the left, just that it's the only way it might happen, and it would need the worst of Labour MPs to lose to weaken the stranglehold on the PLP.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:It's obvious when you see them lined up like this! That russian hat one  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYyeq3hKC2w e: why did the loving THUMBNAIL CHANGE 
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OwlFancier posted:dark primitivist ann widdicombe believes that industrialization was entirely a conspiracy to change power in society and that humans are actually capable of building a ford fiesta in five minutes using some rocks and twigs if they are properly connected to nature, but that they shouldn't be allowed to. 
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Dabir posted:That russian hat one Not heard of her before, great vid!
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Tesseraction posted:The mind palace has released a statement https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1547671189815930880?t=kiCgB3Cz77zii-StlmM3_A&s=19 When I went to university there was a legend about a guy who was known to occasionally engage in public masturbation His nickname was "Hand Grenade." Because when he went into a room, everyone scattered.
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