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No crises' between the fall of the Roman Empire and the start of the Renaissance? Clearly the answer is a return to serfdom. Edit: Nevermind billionaires are already working on this
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Only one financial crisis prior to 1000 AD, clearly they had the right idea back then. E: Oop same original joke
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Is this game still coming out this year? Some googling says 2022 but we’re already on the second half of it.
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buglord posted:Is this game still coming out this year? Some googling says 2022 but we’re already on the second half of it. that was recently announced, so "probably", but I definitely think it's likelier to be "maybe"
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Started thinking of a tech tree for the 2100AD collapse mod I mentioned before https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/19mFEiccy0Ae_YF_AwwEhPFtUHvQZiHo-clvEn7Icgzo/edit If you have any suggestions please let me know!
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Jul 14, 2022 11:50
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Before more formalized banking systems like these, currency was also never not trying to poof out of use whenever a minor crisis rocked things. Bartering for everything is the only true economic system.
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Koramei posted:Before more formalized banking systems like these, currency was also never not trying to poof out of use whenever a minor crisis rocked things. Bartering for everything is the only true economic system. Bartering is basically a constant state of liquidity crisis
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now credit based temple complexes, now those puppies can fit a whole bunch of liquidity in them
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Koramei posted:Before more formalized banking systems like these, currency was also never not trying to poof out of use whenever a minor crisis rocked things. Bartering for everything is the only true economic system. Might want to read Debt: The First 5000 Years. Credit and trust is the only true economic system.
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In the end it's all based on hope and faith (no matter how ill-placed) anyway, whether it's currencies or credits.
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Jul 15, 2022 07:37
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Hellioning posted:I mean Vicky 2's economy will literally always collapse if the game goes on too long so I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened in V3. Wow, I had no idea V2 was such an accurate sim https://i.imgur.com/BtgZ6Ce.mp4
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FishBulbia posted:Wow, I had no idea V2 was such an accurate sim i'm not sure marx predicted that eventually a small class of chinese artisans would hold the entire world's money supply and cause the entire rest of the world to starve for lack of a medium of exchange but yes in the broad strokes it's surprisingly good for being so bad Jazerus fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Jazerus posted:i'm not sure marx predicted that eventually a small class of chinese artisans would hold the entire world's money supply and cause the entire rest of the world to starve for lack of a medium of exchange but yes in the broad strokes it's surprisingly good for being so bad Marx never good understand human nature, and by human nature I mean the tendency of Nepal to own all currency in existence while attempting endlessly to enact and then repeal prohibition.
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Asiatic mode of clipper production
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Koramei posted:Before more formalized banking systems like these, currency was also never not trying to poof out of use whenever a minor crisis rocked things. Bartering for everything is the only true economic system. fez_machine posted:Might want to read Debt: The First 5000 Years. Credit and trust is the only true economic system. Was about to mention Graeber, thank you. Barter only really happens after a currency-based market economy collapses like when the Roman Empire receded, and only for a little while.
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We all remember the liquidity crisis caused by gold miners richer than god completely fufilling all their needs and storing 10% of the worlds currency under their mattresses vvv no one to blame but themselves for not adapting to live off automobiles and opium ThatBasqueGuy fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:We all remember the liquidity crisis caused by gold miners richer than god completely fufilling all their needs and storing 10% of the worlds currency under their mattresses Well, we would remember it if they didn't all starve to death because they were too far down in the grain purchase order.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:We all remember the liquidity crisis caused by gold miners richer than god completely fufilling all their needs and storing 10% of the worlds currency under their mattresses So that's why they call it the Gilded Age.
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I'm gonna break the economy in V3 by somehow reverting so much of the world back to subsistence farming that every single manufacturing industry goes out of business because there is no longer anybody who can afford their products.
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Takanago posted:I'm gonna break the economy in V3 by somehow reverting so much of the world back to subsistence farming that every single manufacturing industry goes out of business because there is no longer anybody who can afford their products.  Bring on planet wide agrarianism
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Takanago posted:I'm gonna break the economy in V3 by somehow reverting so much of the world back to subsistence farming that every single manufacturing industry goes out of business because there is no longer anybody who can afford their products. Arrath posted:
Victoria 3 confirmed to follow not just a Marxist labor theory of value but also Maoism Third Worldism
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anarcho-liberals replaced by JDPON 
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Takanago posted:I'm gonna break the economy in V3 by somehow reverting so much of the world back to subsistence farming that every single manufacturing industry goes out of business because there is no longer anybody who can afford their products. Ah, a Jeffersonian.
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The Dictatorship of the Yeomanry five seconds after abolishing the city and creating Year Zero: poo poo, now what do I do with all this surplus produce?
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Vic3 is going to be the most CSPAM loving game ever and it's gonna be great. I am so hype for it.
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Also is anarchy/anarcho communism a valid “government” type in V3 or would that not work for glaring reasons
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buglord posted:Also is anarchy/anarcho communism a valid “government” type in V3 or would that not work for glaring reasons I forget the details but I believe Anarchy is an option for the laws which determine political power is distributed/how democratic your country is. Where complete authoritarianism is on one end, landed/wealth/universal voting is in the middle, and anarchy is on the extreme democratic end. This is separate from the set of laws which allows you to declare a Council Republic (i.e. Soviet Republic). So this means you can have an authoritarian communist state with a strong govt to oppress the bourgeois or an anarchic state with very little/no oppressive authority. Having a Command Economy also allows you to collectivize your industries in two different ways. You can either turn them into govt run industries where bureaucrats are in charge, or you can turn them into co-ops where the workers get the dividends from the industry's profits instead of their bosses.\ e: I suppose you could also combine anarchism with a lasseiz faire economy and just Go Galt if you want but I dont know if that would work out long term Takanago fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Takanago posted:e: I suppose you could also combine anarchism with a lasseiz faire economy and just Go Galt if you want but I dont know if that would work out long term Curiously, it ends up handing political and economic power to Bear pops. That's actually how you spawn Jan Mayen in Vicky 3.
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buglord posted:Also is anarchy/anarcho communism a valid “government” type in V3 or would that not work for glaring reasons Yes, in V3 an anarchist country is themed as a confederation of self-governing communes with a central council of sorts that has no real formal power. So it's not full balls to the walls anarchism and still kinda-works with the game's mechanics.
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FishBulbia posted:Marx never good understand human nature, and by human nature I mean the tendency of Nepal to own all currency in existence while attempting endlessly to enact and then repeal prohibition. Ugh, it's Bengal that corners the entire world's money supply, learn some history. https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria3/comments/njz0wc/victoria_2_3_and_lategame_liquidity_crises/
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jesus, can we please change the title of this thread to "factroys" (I cant remember the actual typo, and googling it is surprisingly difficult)
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Mirello posted:jesus, can we please change the title of this thread to "factroys" (I cant remember the actual typo, and googling it is surprisingly difficult) capitalists builds a factroy
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VostokProgram posted:Can capitalists build feelings? If corporations are people than so can factories
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VostokProgram posted:Can capitalists build feelings? not until we get the service industry dlc
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Gort posted:capitalists builds a factroy captialists iirc too
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Love the idea of my countries' top generals and admirals seated around a big oaken table, smoking and muttering in the dimly-lit gloom, grimly informing the President that the Smith Brothers have opened a glass factory in Pasedena
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I never played v1 but in v2 each state only has 8 building slots so capitalists building a bad factory in a specific state really could be a national emergency.
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