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Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

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Delorence Fickle posted:

I got an offer from USCIS but they wanted to bring me in as a 5 (from a 9) and would not budge so I had to turn that down.
That happened to a friend of mine with a master's degree, and on the surface she got the raw end of the deal since I came in at a 9 with one, but then she made it to 13 in just over 5 years and I had to switch agencies three times to get an 11, so maybe it looks good if you start at 5! You PAID YOUR DUES

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Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Dr. Quarex posted:

Yeah and my only fellow USCIS wannabe-lifers who have successfully moved from the field to service centers in the past two years have taken grade demotions to get there (one went from 14 to 12!). No wonder me trying to finally get a (permanent) 11 there is not working these days

The GS-9 position I'm looking at would be in a field office. Should I reconsider? Or at least not be so excited about it?

Dr. Quarex posted:

That happened to a friend of mine with a master's degree, and on the surface she got the raw end of the deal since I came in at a 9 with one, but then she made it to 13 in just over 5 years and I had to switch agencies three times to get an 11, so maybe it looks good if you start at 5! You PAID YOUR DUES

Huh, this is also helpful to know!

Fell Fire
Jan 30, 2012


The background check I'm working on is 33 pages long. I've been licensed to teach children and that was an easier process.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Dammerung posted:

The GS-9 position I'm looking at would be in a field office. Should I reconsider? Or at least not be so excited about it?

Huh, this is also helpful to know!
Field office life is something I cannot speak to directly, though second-hand discussions tell me that it is harder but you will objectively be better at the job since you actually interview people, which will help you move up (in theory and usually in practice).

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Department is i the top half, component is in the bottom quarter. That sounds about right.

Shockingly our "effective leadership" score went up almost 8 points year over year.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Fell Fire posted:

The background check I'm working on is 33 pages long. I've been licensed to teach children and that was an easier process.

Woof, I've been there! (Sort of, it was twentyish pages long in my case?) It's a heck of a thing.

Dr. Quarex posted:

Field office life is something I cannot speak to directly, though second-hand discussions tell me that it is harder but you will objectively be better at the job since you actually interview people, which will help you move up (in theory and usually in practice).

That sounds pretty cool! That, and my favorite part of working for FEMA is talking to people. Take that and make it in a stable location where people are less likely to threaten to attack/shoot me and I will be happy as a clam. :v:

Quick edit: For anybody who is considering working for FEMA in Disaster Survivor Assistance, I want to note that those occurrences where my personal safety was threatened were not at all common or frequent! People were stressed out and, in many cases, facing the worst time of their lives. They weren't always nice, I won't sugar coat it, not being a jerk back is a part of the job. Even then, I can only remember three instances in the 200+ days I was working for FEMA (and not just waiting for another deployment/training) where threats were made, and none of them ended with me being harmed. I was, however, bitten by a stray cat, so, uh, don't pat stray cats, especially if the survivors you're working with say the cat frequently bites people.

Dammerung fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jul 14, 2022

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
280th overall but we beat the average!
Our best rank was in Work/Life balance which actually makes sense from my experience.
Our Teamwork rank was dogshit though. We didn't breach the 400s at least but it's close
Leadership is also poor and a lot of that probably comes down to that we're an agency with 5 locations spread out across the country and like practically every agency, the HQ is in DC while everyone doing the actual production work is in a different state and being one of the few agencies involved in manufacturing anything, let alone something at this scale besides the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, no one in gov't really understands the typical needs and logistics involved unless they've specifically worked for the Mint for a while or have been in private industry doing something similar.

Rakeris
Jul 20, 2014

Fell Fire posted:

The background check I'm working on is 33 pages long. I've been licensed to teach children and that was an easier process.

You should see some of the finished ones, seen some breach 200 pages.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude

Dammerung posted:


That sounds pretty cool! That, and my favorite part of working for FEMA is talking to people. Take that and make it in a stable location where people are less likely to threaten to attack/shoot me and I will be happy as a clam. :v:


The field office I worked in was in the bad part of Detroit so I’m sure that didn’t help with my anxiety. I did learn a lot in a very short time. They had me interviewing right off the bat and giving people their citizenship.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Beerdeer posted:

The field office I worked in was in the bad part of Detroit so I’m sure that didn’t help with my anxiety. I did learn a lot in a very short time. They had me interviewing right off the bat and giving people their citizenship.

Oh, that sounds super cool! I mean, not the anxiety, I am sorry about that, but it's super cool that they'll just let you have at it.

El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

My unit ended up in the top 200. Our dogshit covid/return-to work policies are what tanked us - which absolutely tracks with lived experience.

HUD absolutely poo poo the bed on that opportunity and now we're missing out on tons of good people who don't want to move to take positions in DC and there's been a big exodus of folks that onboarded during the pandemic (some in other parts of the country) and don't want move now to go into a mostly empty office one day a week to sit on teams calls.

They also rope-a-doped a bunch of people by saying they'd listen to employee demands and we saw the results of their employee consultations and then they did nothing with those results.

Maybe this is an opportunity for us to improve though since everyone's gonna look at where we did the worse overall.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Xelkelvos posted:

Our best rank was in Work/Life balance which actually makes sense from my experience.
Yeah, we did well there, too, which I certainly agree with, at least in my branch.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



I have been acting head of my unit for the last few weeks and will have to do it for another month or so and I'm here to tell you: managing a fedgov budget sucks donkey dicks. I got dropped into doing it at what is probably the worst time of the fiscal year to learn anything but holy poo poo I'm not going to do this for the rest of my career even if it means I never get promoted again.

grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.

Midjack posted:

I have been acting head of my unit for the last few weeks and will have to do it for another month or so and I'm here to tell you: managing a fedgov budget sucks donkey dicks. I got dropped into doing it at what is probably the worst time of the fiscal year to learn anything but holy poo poo I'm not going to do this for the rest of my career even if it means I never get promoted again.

I’m a budget liaison to folks like you. Yea, the next few months might suck if you still have a lot of money to push out the door.

What part don’t you like? Do you have lots of grants and contracts?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



laxbro posted:

I’m a budget liaison to folks like you. Yea, the next few months might suck if you still have a lot of money to push out the door.

What part don’t you like? Do you have lots of grants and contracts?

The thing I hate the most is the fact that the spreadsheet pilots constantly gently caress up the data inputs to the central financial tracking database, and everybody knows this but still insists on treating the data like it's holy writ. Also demanding updates on spend rates twice a day while blasting me with requests for estimates on program budgets through 2035 three times a week. gently caress it.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
https://twitter.com/USFWS/status/1547929557986029570

grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.

Midjack posted:

The thing I hate the most is the fact that the spreadsheet pilots constantly gently caress up the data inputs to the central financial tracking database, and everybody knows this but still insists on treating the data like it's holy writ. Also demanding updates on spend rates twice a day while blasting me with requests for estimates on program budgets through 2035 three times a week. gently caress it.

Ah yea that sounds terrible. I’m fortunate that my agency seems to have sane budget process and tools.

In my previous job I very briefly had to do IT investment reporting. It was actually insane. The day my COR cert expired was a very happy day. Never again.

sparkmaster
Apr 1, 2010
So funny thing: after an inquiry turned into a research project, it turns out I've been misclassified for 3 years as an FLSA exempt employee. My position description said I was Non-exempt, but when they hired me they inputted it incorrectly in my SF-50.

Because I'm so low on the totem pole, my title 5 OT rate is the same as my FLSA rate. Is there anything else I potentially missed out on or should follow up on after being misclassified for so long?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



sparkmaster posted:

So funny thing: after an inquiry turned into a research project, it turns out I've been misclassified for 3 years as an FLSA exempt employee. My position description said I was Non-exempt, but when they hired me they inputted it incorrectly in my SF-50.

Because I'm so low on the totem pole, my title 5 OT rate is the same as my FLSA rate. Is there anything else I potentially missed out on or should follow up on after being misclassified for so long?

OT for training if you had classes that ran long, OT for travel if you had to do it outside of work hours are two that can be huge.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
I have four more weeks of this ten-week long training that's just been PowerPoint hell and being talked at by a rotation of four people.

I can't believe that I'm going to feel relief when I start taking phone calls from angry chuds about their taxes.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.
Direct hire / remote job I applied to just closed with 1300 applicants... But a note saying only the first 50 would get sent to the hiring manager. Any way of knowing if I'm part of that 50? Was morning on the first day, so I wouldn't be surprised, but that's a lot of applications.

Alucard
Mar 11, 2002
Pillbug
You'll likely get an email stating your status soon. Direct hires process faster because I think HR just clears everyone who self-certifies on the questionnaire regardless of the resume.

You may also want to check if it says it cuts off at 50 candidates or on the day that 50 candidates are exceeded.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.

quote:

The first 50 qualified and eligible candidates who applied will be considered for referral to the selecting official. Additional candidates will be referred based on hiring needs and/or Hiring Manager request.
So the first 50 who are qualified and eligible?

Alucard
Mar 11, 2002
Pillbug
Sounds like it's in order of application and if none of those meet the hiring manager needs they'll go to further eligibles. I feel like not making the qualified and eligible list for a direct hire is pretty rare though. My impression is as long as you know how to fill out the questionnaire, you'll certify.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
I did my FEVS today and you should, too.

It asks a lot of the wrong questions, is haphazardly designed, and really wants to guide you into saying the wrong things, but it's what we have, and I've badgered some coworkers who were reticent into filling it out.

I don't know that I'm going to get anywhere with it, but finally we have a Division Director after literal years of vacancy so when she schedules her inevitable folksy, fake 1-on-1 I'm going to have a copy of last year's results pulled up on my screen with some very obvious highlights made.

Delorence Fickle
Feb 21, 2011

Toshimo posted:

I did my FEVS today and you should, too.

It asks a lot of the wrong questions, is haphazardly designed, and really wants to guide you into saying the wrong things, but it's what we have, and I've badgered some coworkers who were reticent into filling it out.

I don't know that I'm going to get anywhere with it, but finally we have a Division Director after literal years of vacancy so when she schedules her inevitable folksy, fake 1-on-1 I'm going to have a copy of last year's results pulled up on my screen with some very obvious highlights made.

This reminds me of the first "Town Hall" meeting with my agency's new director. Every serious question asked got answered with "We'll look into it". "How are you going to deal with attrition despite having the "best" telework perks in the government? (not anymore)" "Uhh, We'll look into it"


Just get ready for that bullshit.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Delorence Fickle posted:

This reminds me of the first "Town Hall" meeting with my agency's new director. Every serious question asked got answered with "We'll look into it". "How are you going to deal with attrition despite having the "best" telework perks in the government? (not anymore)" "Uhh, We'll look into it"


Just get ready for that bullshit.

Oh, yeah. I've played this game before.

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

Do you like our owl?



Ultra Carp
I got a very random cash award today.

No emails or anything, just "a new SF-50 posted".

Thank you?

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



I'm looking forward to the SESes having a town hall about the FEVS results where they are *shocked* that they score poorly for the nth year in a row despite making zero changes in how they actually do things.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Endless Mike posted:

I'm looking forward to the SESes having a town hall about the FEVS results where they are *shocked* that they score poorly for the nth year in a row despite making zero changes in how they actually do things.

We got a lunatic email today about last year's results (why do these take so long to compile that I never see them until the next survey has started?) And how we "maintained" 15th place of 17 agencies like it was somehow a badge of honor.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
Did a different interview with USPTO in mid June but still haven't heard back though I know that the next incoming training group starts in August. Losing a bit of hope on this position which is a shame

El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

Toshimo posted:

I did my FEVS today and you should, too.



My agency is absolutely going batshit over getting everyone to fill out this loving thing. I've gotten no less than 20 emails this week and last begging me to fill it out.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
Technically seven years of federal service in and I still have never received an FEVS survey invitation despite loving surveys

At least the last two years make sense as I am with new agencies than the previous year

grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.

El Mero Mero posted:

My agency is absolutely going batshit over getting everyone to fill out this loving thing. I've gotten no less than 20 emails this week and last begging me to fill it out.

Yea I think it look bad to have a low engagement score. But in my experience management generally finds a way to cherry pick the results. "Yea our unit was in the bottom 10th percentile but didn't you notice our raw score increased 8 points from last year?"

But I think there's a few telework and work/life balance questions on there so I always complete the FEVS and I always blast them on work/life balance even though my agency does a pretty good job. Can't let them get complacent.

Deeters
Aug 21, 2007


Toshimo posted:

I did my FEVS today and you should, too.

It asks a lot of the wrong questions, is haphazardly designed, and really wants to guide you into saying the wrong things, but it's what we have, and I've badgered some coworkers who were reticent into filling it out.

I don't know that I'm going to get anywhere with it, but finally we have a Division Director after literal years of vacancy so when she schedules her inevitable folksy, fake 1-on-1 I'm going to have a copy of last year's results pulled up on my screen with some very obvious highlights made.

I did mine last week. Now that I think of it, I don't think I've ever seen my agency's results for it. Our other office survey last year was never reported on either.



PneumonicBook posted:

I got a very random cash award today.

No emails or anything, just "a new SF-50 posted".

Thank you?

I've gotten this before too. Asked my supervisor and he said "Just try to fake it when we get around to the awards ceremony "

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


I filled out the FEVS today. I'm doing my part!

Justus
Apr 18, 2006

...

El Mero Mero posted:

My agency is absolutely going batshit over getting everyone to fill out this loving thing. I've gotten no less than 20 emails this week and last begging me to fill it out.

Same, and I have the same reaction every time. I scan the email looking for the phrase “59 minutes” and yeet that poo poo in the trash if I don’t see it. Give me 59 minutes or go to hell. I’m not helping you manufacture the impression that leaders care about these issues and are working to improve them without something tangible in return.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Justus posted:

Same, and I have the same reaction every time. I scan the email looking for the phrase “59 minutes” and yeet that poo poo in the trash if I don’t see it. Give me 59 minutes or go to hell. I’m not helping you manufacture the impression that leaders care about these issues and are working to improve them without something tangible in return.

Wut

Justus
Apr 18, 2006

...

Ah, I guess 59-minute early release is mostly a DoD thing? Basically, supervisors can grant a 59 minute early holiday any time with fairly little effort because if it’s an hour or longer it requires far more approval and paperwork. In most agencies I’ve worked for, it happens almost automatically the work day before every federal holiday unless there’s a pressing mission need, and my current agency likes to use them as incentives for their pet projects, ie - fill out our agency-level survey and we’ll grant you a 59-minute early release any day of your choosing the week you fill it out.

I’m cynical about the surveys, but I’ll do it for treats.

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Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Justus posted:

Ah, I guess 59-minute early release is mostly a DoD thing? Basically, supervisors can grant a 59 minute early holiday any time with fairly little effort because if it’s an hour or longer it requires far more approval and paperwork. In most agencies I’ve worked for, it happens almost automatically the work day before every federal holiday unless there’s a pressing mission need, and my current agency likes to use them as incentives for their pet projects, ie - fill out our agency-level survey and we’ll grant you a 59-minute early release any day of your choosing the week you fill it out.

I’m cynical about the surveys, but I’ll do it for treats.

Oh, wild. We just do whatever here because nobody is micromanaging our minutes, so we just do the survey whenever.

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