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The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!
Also I feel like the entire point of The Rehearsal is the artifice of it all. It seems like as the show goes on it’s going to be a big part of it. Like he’s going to be playing with the viewers perception of reality as well.

Also speaking of all art being being artificial and created by humans. Even something like Dogme 95 which is a movement about removing as much artifice from film as possible. There’s only really been a couple movies done in that style because it’s extremely hard even the ones that have been made the directors have broken some of the rules to make the movies. Hell Nanook of the North which is credited as the first documentary made up most of its poo poo.

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JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

:qq: I LOVE TWO AND HALF MEN!! YOU 20 SOMETHINGS ARE JUST TOO CYNICAL TO UNDERSTAND IT!!:qq:
I mean, it's kind of an open secret that 'reality' shows are a lot more scripted than they let on, even if the participants aren't really acting? This show plays around a lot in that space.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Also Nathan's character's goal is to be less off-putting and make friends, ostensibly through helping people. Radical honesty is Kor's thing.

Sudden Loud Noise
Feb 18, 2007

The greatest actor of our time, Michael Gregory Mizanin, started out acting in reality TV. Makes you think.

Paper Lion
Dec 14, 2009




if only he could wrestle

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

Paper Lion posted:

if only he could wrestle

Or catch dives.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

TychoCelchuuu posted:

It's not a "feature" that if you think about it really hard and pay close attention then you realize that it's likely that Fielder's conversation with Kor's actor took place after, rather than before, Fielder's failure to admit to Kor that Fielder fed Kor the answers. The TV show is not trying to make you realize this.

The TV show is trying to make you not notice it. If it wanted you to notice it, then they could've (for instance) cut it so that first he doesn't come clean to Kor, then he talks with the actor. That of course would be a a stupid way to cut it, but that would be the way to cut it if revealing the true order of filming was the show doing "exactly what it wants to." But the show wants to make it seem like Fielder first rehearsed the conversation and then had the real conversation, because duh. That is exactly what the show wants. The reason that is a bug is that the show didn't do that: it's just cut together to seem like it did that.

no i disagree, without even noticing the clothing i noticed that the person who reacted was the actor, and not the real Kor, so i knew what was going on, because it's not hard to figure out at all, and i dont think the episode was trying to fool me

hth

BWV
Feb 24, 2005


I really enjoyed the first episode. From reading some advanced reviews I was warned of it not being as "funny" as Nathan For You but I found so many moments completely hilarious and surreal. This type of humour/threatre is right up my alley and I thoroughly enjoyed everything about it.

I think the show reminds us that so many of our interactions in life are not really about the content/substance of what we say but how we say it. And how this can cause so much anxiety for people who want to convey their complex feelings/emotions without being misunderstood or rejected. Kor and the Nathan character, like lots of people, struggle to converse in a manner they wish they could ,and that's sort of unfortunate (tragic really) because at the end of the day they just want to be affable and accepted. I'm sure there are countless other people out there who want to have similar conversations but are terrified of the risk of fumbling their words and not putting their best foot forward. This dissonance with what we want to say and our inability to effectively communicate it is really one of the foundational human experiences and so I find these extended meditations on it to be quite engrossing.

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

:qq: I LOVE TWO AND HALF MEN!! YOU 20 SOMETHINGS ARE JUST TOO CYNICAL TO UNDERSTAND IT!!:qq:
amusing find from Reddit, Kor was on an an episode of Cash Cab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADGSUbWfMk

according to the person who posted it, he did tell the team he had a Masters, and also apparently Cash Cab is fake? (it's a real game show, but they don't just pick people up off the street like they say they do)

Sudden Loud Noise
Feb 18, 2007

He's an actor. I knew it. It's all fake. Tycho can now enjoy the show.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
Cash Cab is one that is like "oh ofc this is fake" if you think about the premise for more than 5 seconds. Like imagine how much more difficult it would be to actually create that show if you really do just pull random contestants off the street. I remember Jon Gabrus talking about being a guest on it once on a podcast, and saying the same thing.

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jul 19, 2022

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

TychoCelchuuu posted:

I should specify that it's not like this is a specific fault of this show. I basically can't watch any reality TV for the same reason. I can't watch Nathan For You, etc. It's just too irritating to constantly notice ways in which the show is straight up lying to me. Like, please, if you want to lie to me, it's easy! Just make a fictional show! Those are all lies! Please don't pretend to be making a real thing and then make me feel like a cop for spotting every time the artifice cannot be sustained concomitant with your narrative intent!

your neurosis here reeminds me of the panic some commentors have on a video where is might look vaguely "authentic" but then scripted activity happens. For most people it's pretty obvious and they move on, but for a subset of the population it's a huge deal, a massive betrayal, a personal affront to know someone attempted to entertain you on purpose.

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
I mean Kor is definitely trying out for stuff because they find him by his video submission to the program. I doubt he is trying out for anything serious, but i'm for sure Jeopardy/Wheel Of Fortune/Who Wants to be a Millionaire have multiple versions of his audition tape.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
Yeah the same thing happen multiple times on nathan for you. People freaked out about discovering the line cutter was an actor, but its LA, why would that be a surprise?

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
Did anyone else miss out on the episode 2 preview? I did the first time and went back to watch it because someone said its about Fake Kor apologizing to Real Kor and that had me speculating on what happens.

Turns out that wasn't true, but did they really move the Alligator Lounge to a whole new stage? I'm assuming just to use as a locale for some interviews as most the episode seems to take place in a house and likely also a fake house. One thing that is super quick but I noticed: is that not Fake Tricia swapping out baby carriers while someone isn't looking? I'm assuming neither baby belong to the mom and this episode is gonna be about a woman wanting a baby, maybe a husband as well. So I think they brought Fake Tricia back, give a woman a fake baby to rehearse with, then swap out that baby with another baby. I bet the premise is "woman wants to be a mom and thinks she'd be a good one" so they are testing her by seeing if she'll even notice her fake baby is now another fake baby.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.

Sudden Loud Noise posted:

He's an actor. I knew it. It's all fake. Tycho can now enjoy the show.
It's days like these that I thank the Chinese for inventing theatre.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Nevertheless, viewers persisted.

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Space Fish posted:

Nevertheless, viewers persisted.
Sorry Billy, the "real" Big Bird has been dead for a long time, that's just an actor in a costume. He's dead too now I think.

worms butthole guy
Jan 29, 2021

by Fluffdaddy
Wow a guy who likes trivia was on a trivia game show, time to shut her down guys

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005





I'm glad they're still friends :)

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

JAMOOOL posted:

amusing find from Reddit, Kor was on an an episode of Cash Cab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADGSUbWfMk

according to the person who posted it, he did tell the team he had a Masters, and also apparently Cash Cab is fake? (it's a real game show, but they don't just pick people up off the street like they say they do)

Wait does this also mean that BangBus didn’t just pick up random women on the street of Miami? This changes everything.

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
^You're making me flashback to the old porn Ask/Tells that would always have multiple people who needed to be sincerely assured that BangBus wasn't really ditching the girls at the end.

JAMOOOL posted:

amusing find from Reddit, Kor was on an an episode of Cash Cab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADGSUbWfMk

according to the person who posted it, he did tell the team he had a Masters, and also apparently Cash Cab is fake? (it's a real game show, but they don't just pick people up off the street like they say they do)

Since I know this one from being an old Cash Cab fan, they supposedly didn't tell people that it was Cash Cab. They'd post an ad for a related TV thing, a lot like Nathan for You does, and get applicants that they could sort through. I assume this also rules because they can get the paperwork signed early. I heard that it was often an ad for "Go in a taxi and drive around New York and talk to the driver/camera about historic sights around the city that you like and your personal experiences and stories." They must have had a similar one to get tourists locked in.

They did supposedly pick up the occasional person for real and a few of them are in the show. The problem is that if you grab random people off the street they usually bust out in 3 questions and it makes for bad TV or they'd say that they didn't have an hour or so to gently caress around with being on TV (from start to finish of the whole process).

Also the cash at the end was fake, they got mailed a check later :).

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005

Space Fish posted:

Nevertheless, viewers persisted.

I think it's only gonna pick up more and more viewers too. It's getting amazing reviews. Even on RottenTomatoes it has a 93% critic and 100% viewer rating. As more and more stuff happens, especially if something really wild happens, word of mouth is gonna pick up. I've already recommended it to friends. It's just episode 1 out right now too, so really easy for people to get in and follow along.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
I forgot why I never read threads like this. This poster pissed off about Nathan’s work not being Big Brother or whatever is just insane to me. that’s like, part of the whole point!

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Tbh I did not expect this thread to go full TV IV in a matter of days. We had a nice 2 or so pages I guess.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
its pretty funny

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


veni veni veni posted:

Tbh I did not expect this thread to go full TV IV in a matter of days. We had a nice 2 or so pages I guess.

It's days like this I curse Lowtax for inventing tviv

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost
tviv was a mistake

roomtone
Jul 1, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

TychoCelchuuu posted:

It's not a "feature" that if you think about it really hard and pay close attention then you realize that it's likely that Fielder's conversation with Kor's actor took place after, rather than before, Fielder's failure to admit to Kor that Fielder fed Kor the answers. The TV show is not trying to make you realize this.

The TV show is trying to make you not notice it. If it wanted you to notice it, then they could've (for instance) cut it so that first he doesn't come clean to Kor, then he talks with the actor. That of course would be a a stupid way to cut it, but that would be the way to cut it if revealing the true order of filming was the show doing "exactly what it wants to." But the show wants to make it seem like Fielder first rehearsed the conversation and then had the real conversation, because duh. That is exactly what the show wants. The reason that is a bug is that the show didn't do that: it's just cut together to seem like it did that.

It was cut like that because that was the funniest way to cut it. It's a smart comedy that asks you to be watching closely to catch the editing joke and laugh at the multiple levels of fakery that are going on, including asking yourself at what time did he even do this actor rehearsal? It's not trying to make you not notice these things, it wants you to, it's all part of the joke.

roomtone fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jul 19, 2022

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
For all we know, it was shot after they moved into the new stage. poo poo, they could move the Alligator even later and have shot it there. Nathan could have been talking to no one and Fake Kor could have been responding to an entirely different question that is revealed even later. Fake Kor and Nathan are not in the same shot and Fake Kor never mentions trivia, just answers.

It's all just a show. It's fun analyzing some of the details and how it's all orchestrated, but in the end, it's a show and they gotta do certain things to keep it entertaining.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
No way of even knowing if it's a real Nathan or a Nathan impersonator. A lot of Nathanheads have speculated ever since one of the private detective NFY episodes that Nathan actually switch lives with one of the decoys. If you pay attention you can tell episodes they shot before and after that one because "Nathan" has a slightly different accent and microexpressions.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer

veni veni veni posted:

Tbh I did not expect this thread to go full TV IV in a matter of days. We had a nice 2 or so pages I guess.

It turns out “maybe the show isn’t for you” was the better option rather than “nah please keep talking about this and gently caress up the whole thread”

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
Maybe we've been rehearsing all along. Some of us are real, some of us are fakes and have been planted to see how we'd respond to the show.

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost
It’s been almost 12 hours and I’m still laughing about this

quote:

Basically yeah. It might be my fault for treating this as a reality show rather than as fiction. It just seems so gross to me to involve real people's lives in a fictional show like this. Like, Kor is an actual human being, not an actor. If you want this stuff to play out the way it did, why gently caress with someone's life? Why not just write a story and film that? If Top Gun had actually blown up actual human beings with actual jet missiles or whatever, I'd be pissed.

New thread title, please:
“The Rehearsal - if they’d blown up human beings with actual jet missiles, I’d be pissed”

sticksy fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jul 19, 2022

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

sticksy posted:

It’s been almost 12 hours and I’m still laughing about this

New thread title, please:
“The Rehearsal - if they’d blown up human beings with actual jet missiles, I’d be pissed”

lol I'm glad I clicked on this thread. The show owns, can't wait for the next episode.

a few DRUNK BONERS
Mar 25, 2016

BWV posted:


I think the show reminds us that so many of our interactions in life are not really about the content/substance of what we say but how we say it. And how this can cause so much anxiety for people who want to convey their complex feelings/emotions without being misunderstood or rejected. Kor and the Nathan character, like lots of people, struggle to converse in a manner they wish they could ,and that's sort of unfortunate (tragic really) because at the end of the day they just want to be affable and accepted. I'm sure there are countless other people out there who want to have similar conversations but are terrified of the risk of fumbling their words and not putting their best foot forward. This dissonance with what we want to say and our inability to effectively communicate it is really one of the foundational human experiences and so I find these extended meditations on it to be quite engrossing.

In that way it's on a sort of opposite axis from Nathan 4 U where Nathan was saying insane things but in the correct way (and successfully getting people to go along with him)- here we have people trying to communicate fairly normal ideas and emotions but not feeling like they're able to do it with the correct mannerisms, or being stopped by anxiety, or autism or whatever.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

sticksy posted:

tviv was a mistake

TVIV doesn't stop

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
in re: "really real reality TV", i've been on a kick lately of watching Alone on Netflix and Survivorman (free on youtube). obviously the're still edited because they are television shows, but the lack of any camera crew really makes them feel way more like you're just watching someone, in a way that is not creepy at all :sickos:

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


sticksy posted:

It’s been almost 12 hours and I’m still laughing about this

New thread title, please:
“The Rehearsal - if they’d blown up human beings with actual jet missiles, I’d be pissed”

Mods please make this happen

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veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Khanstant posted:

No way of even knowing if it's a real Nathan or a Nathan impersonator. A lot of Nathanheads have speculated ever since one of the private detective NFY episodes that Nathan actually switch lives with one of the decoys. If you pay attention you can tell episodes they shot before and after that one because "Nathan" has a slightly different accent and microexpressions.

Rumor has it that this is now the real Nathan

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