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I really hope they put Festus somewhere within the Empire. Have him make things hell for Franz by spreading plagues all over the place. poo poo, put him in Mordheim.
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I don't get this "cut back" on Azazel, his model is pretty clearly being faithful to the original mini, and frankly he looks like he's having a great old time.
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Jul 19, 2022 17:12
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In case anyone was wondering about the variation in stats for mortal god units, these are the modifiers each "mark" trait applies in the current beta, taken from Turin's discord:quote:Nurgle:
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Azazel as head of a WoC faction seems pretty unique, but if you play him as head of a Slaanesh demon faction, he basically has the same kind of bonuses as N’kari. Bonuses to diplomacy, seduction cost reduction, and beguiling auras. The difference would be that Azazel can fly while N’kari is more focused on shredding single targets, maybe?
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Azazel is probably not as strong as N'kari in killiness.AtomikKrab posted:I don't get this "cut back" on Azazel, his model is pretty clearly being faithful to the original mini, and frankly he looks like he's having a great old time.
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Jul 19, 2022 17:25
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MonsterEnvy posted:Azazel is probably not as strong as N'kari in killiness. I think thats for the best, the named greater daemons shouldnt be eclipsed by even named chaos warriors in their particular flavor of combat ability. Festus shouldn't be as hard to Kill as Ku'Gath, Villitch shouldn't out cast Kairos and even Valkia shouldn't out kill Skarbrand.
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I’m actually a little concerned about how they will make Festus not just a worse Ku’gath, since he’s just a slow dude with a little friend who does Nurgle magic and potions. Probably just way more healing.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:I’m actually a little concerned about how they will make Festus not just a worse Ku’gath, since he’s just a slow dude with a little friend who does Nurgle magic and potions. Probably just way more healing. Being faster, but less tanky probably. Missing the artillery, but both have access to Lore of Nurgle. Ku'Gath is slow as balls
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Jul 19, 2022 17:38
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Azazel’s vassals spreading corruption and getting a combat buff seems like a cool touch that’ll make him stand out in campaign.
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Jul 19, 2022 17:40
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Did CA hire Radious as the dev lead? Sounds like it tbh
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Kaza42 posted:Being faster, but less tanky probably. Missing the artillery, but both have access to Lore of Nurgle. Ku'Gath is slow as balls Festus is a portly old man, so he will probably be slow to. Doesn’t have mount options, but maybe CA will give him something to spice him up.
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Lucinice posted:We already had all the lords leaked. The rest are Valkia, Festus, and Villitch. oh hell yeah im pumped for those, this is a killer roster
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I mean there's also the fact that they're for different factions. While the various monogods will get the relevant units, I don't think there was anything saying they'd get the LLs as well.
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What would you say is the mechanical difference between a greater daemon or other giant monster lord and a strong dude or wizard on a dragon or other giant mount, besides the difference between running away and banishment? Is there any? A while back I wondered what the difference would be the difference between the Glottkin acting as a single entity and an Exalted Great Unclean One would be, and I googled the AoS warscrolls available from GW’s site. Ive never played the tabletop game, but it does seem to me lime the Glottkin are bigger and more killy. Maybe they’re an unusual example given just how big the Glottkin are. What would be the difference between Egrimm Avalon Horstmann and a Lord of Change who knows the same spells? Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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I imagine Festus will probably bring a lot of support options around himself, a damaging mortis type effect or maybe have some summoning stuff too? He kinda gives off that vibe to me.
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Dr Christmas posted:What would you say is the mechanical difference between a greater daemon or other giant monster lord and a strong dude or wizard on a dragon or other giant mount, besides the difference between running away and banishment? Is there any? They did a pretty great job of pushing each greater daemon LL to the extremes of combat viability without actually breaking the system. Nobody is killier than Skarbrand, nobody is thiccer than Ku'gath, N'kari is fast as fucc boi and can step to Skarbrand, and double bird nuff said. Lords do blend together a bit when you're smashing guys in their absolute best T5 monster mounts together but the daemons are wonderful.
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Somewhat ironically, I was wondering just last night if Vilitch would get a Warshrine as a mount, and lo and behold, we are indeed getting Warshines. Was mainly wondering because I don't think he actually gets a mount option in his statblock, and getting stuck with an infantry sized foot lord (or even a monstrous infantry sized one) would be incredibly meh. Note that this was in the context of still being disappointed we were getting Vilitch, because - even aside from any other reason - I'd really like to get a LL that actually gets a Chaos Dragon as a mount option already, because Chaos is the only faction with Dragons that doesn't have one as an option for any of their LLs. At least getting a Warshrine would be something.
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Doomykins posted:They did a pretty great job of pushing each greater daemon LL to the extremes of combat viability without actually breaking the system. Nobody is killier than Skarbrand, nobody is thiccer than Ku'gath, N'kari is fast as fucc boi and can step to Skarbrand, and double bird nuff said. Yeah the Greater Demons are the proper apex they should be. Lord Koth posted:Somewhat ironically, I was wondering just last night if Vilitch would get a Warshrine as a mount, and lo and behold, we are indeed getting Warshines. Was mainly wondering because I don't think he actually gets a mount option in his statblock, and getting stuck with an infantry sized foot lord (or even a monstrous infantry sized one) would be incredibly meh. Guessing you were hoping for van Horstmann.
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Gonkish posted:I want to see what/where those Fortresses are (maybe it's just faction capitals?). Azazel being able to permanently vassalize the Norscans by taking their poo poo is interesting. I'd imagine Archie gets a version of that but for Kholek, Sigvald, and the new four (dunno about Be'lakor, but it would be loving thematic to bitchslap Starscream into submission). Something like that. I could see his campaign revolve around collecting your genocidal pokemon and then murdering the world. That would be fun as hell. The Dark Fortresses is for all of the Champions (it is under the Champions campaign mechanics, not Azazel's faction specifics) and for the Warriors of Chaos in general. Article posted:Finally, an Old World Update for the Warriors of Chaos will be free to all owners of the Chaos Warriors Race Pack—originally released alongside Total War: WARHAMMER in 2015. This update significantly overhauls how the race plays: gifting them with the brand-new gameplay mechanics available to the Champions of Chaos, above (Chaos Gifts, Dark Fortresses, Warbands, Path to Glory). This is the WoC update.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Yeah the Greater Demons are the proper apex they should be. Yes. I contextually understand why they went with Vilitch - because the non-Slaanesh lords in the pack were the remaining lords out of the 8th edition book - but unlike the LL options for the other gods I'm fairly sure Egrimm is still the most wanted Tzeentch champion by a large margin. Like, there's no real breakout Nurgle lord so Festus is a whatever, and Valkia is obviously the most popular Khorne lord, but Tzeentch is a very different story. Like, there's a reason van Horstmann actually got a Black Library novel long after the last time he got printed rules in a main army book.
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I am sure we will get van Horstmann eventually.
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Wow, I just read the Egrimm wiki page, and that's some powerful Mary Sue energy he's emanating. Did anything in his story happen that was not "all according to his plan"? That whole thing was super lame.
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Torrannor posted:Wow, I just read the Egrimm wiki page, and that's some powerful Mary Sue energy he's emanating. Did anything in his story happen that was not "all according to his plan"? That whole thing was super lame. The whole "burned alive by the dragon half of the possessed dragon he thought he had control of, forced to sell his soul to Tzeentch and serve him eternally" part was not in his plan. He didn't have too much of a plan in the first place, just the idea that he could use chaos poo poo to work his way up and take revenge on someone he hated. The dragon was supposed to be his exit strategy but failed miserably.
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All I know is that we're almost assuredly getting an Elspeth von Draken vs. Tamurkhan DLC at some point. Van Horstman seems like a given as well. This whole DLC + WoC rework is just so loving cool. I really hope it's not a massive bugfest by the end of next month. I really want them to land this plane. I'm also wondering what they're going to do when they eventually get around to updating Norsca now, too. Like I can see them expanding the roster (Fimir caster lords, please), but I mean campaign-wise. I feel like the tribute system could be expanded upon and Norsca could benefit from a lot of these god-aligned marauders. When that time comes, I hope they go nuts. I have to give it to CA, they're going balls out with IE and the reworks/DLC. I'm very much on board, but cautious because of technical issues. Hopefully they're on top of that and understand that IE is essentially not a DLC but is, instead, the release of the REAL game. Don't gently caress it up, CA. Please.
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Norsca's now the faction with the fewest lord options, having 2 Legendaries and only one generic lord type. Who else do we think could be added as an LL for them or even other generic lord options (like the aforementioned Fimir caster lords?) Any big lore relevant Skinwolves?
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Zore posted:Norsca's now the faction with the fewest lord options, having 2 Legendaries and only one generic lord type. Who else do we think could be added as an LL for them or even other generic lord options (like the aforementioned Fimir caster lords?) edit: They're running out of space on the map for new lords though  Gonkish posted:Hopefully they're on top of that and understand that IE is essentially not a DLC but is, instead, the release of the REAL game. Don't gently caress it up, CA. Please. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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It’s pretty hard to think of Chaos characters who aren’t so far into cuckoo bananaland that they’re still considered just Norse. Even among the ones they have, Wulfrik is cursed to never have a home, and while Throgg has his kingdom of beasts, he is generally not a fan of the human societies you’re still in charge of during the campaign. I don’t think the Glottkin or any of the characters in their book have backstories involving slaughtering their own families or tribes at behest of the gods 
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so if when they add egrimm and tamurkhan, are they going to be warriors of chaos or their respective dameon faction?
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Dr Christmas posted:It’s pretty hard to think of Chaos characters who aren’t so far into cuckoo bananaland that they’re still considered just Norse. Even among the ones they have, Wulfrik is cursed to never have a home, and while Throgg has his kingdom of beasts, he is generally not a fan of the human societies you’re still in charge of during the campaign. They added a fimir matriarch to the fantasy TTRPG game, so it's likely they'll be moving in that direction for a Norsca expansion.
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Zore posted:Norsca's now the faction with the fewest lord options, having 2 Legendaries and only one generic lord type. Who else do we think could be added as an LL for them or even other generic lord options (like the aforementioned Fimir caster lords?) We recently got Mòna for the Fimir from the RPG.  Funny enough alongside the other guy we were talking about a bit van Horstmann. 
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Party at the Tower of Crack
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Dr Christmas posted:It’s pretty hard to think of Chaos characters who aren’t so far into cuckoo bananaland that they’re still considered just Norse. Even among the ones they have, Wulfrik is cursed to never have a home, and while Throgg has his kingdom of beasts, he is generally not a fan of the human societies you’re still in charge of during the campaign. Worth noting that both Wulfrik and Throgg were Warriors of Chaos characters in the old rules. IMO there isn't really anything that makes Wulfrik that much more "Norscan" than say Valkia or Sigvald, both of whom are also Norscan. Throgg always seemed weird, and I think is in need of being able to recruit more troll variants in campaign at the very least. I never really understood why they didn't put Wulfrik over in Skeggi in Mortal/Immortal Empires, seems like a good fit for that being "the Wanderer". Make up a Fimir or a Skinwolf lord and put that in IMO. A human caster LL would be alright I think, especially if he/she has access to a lore Norsca doesn't normally have.
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Turin is streaming IE multiplayer right now and doing a Q&A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg-Rbxwz9w4
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99pct of germs posted:so if when they add egrimm and tamurkhan, are they going to be warriors of chaos or their respective dameon faction? Egrimm would be mortals but Tamurkhan is an interesting question. During the titular Throne of Tamurkhan campaign book hes a mortal who leads mortals, even if hes been mutated into a parasitic worm that can possess people. Right at the end though he ascended to Daemonhood and summoned a massive army of Nurgle Daemons to replace his mortal army.
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valnir the reaper could be a potential left-field norsca LL
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There is a potential Kurgan lord from that was in the Tamurkhan campaign book as well called Sayl the Faithless https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sayl
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Remember late last week when Sotek was like "guys don't worry about monogods. do not worry about monogods." Welp, now we know why.
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Horstmann vs Elspeth would also be a good match up, both powerful, dragon-riding mages that could compete for the same McGuffin
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