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I was gonna say that’s clearly roid monster Hulk from the 80s and not the weirdly slimmed down 93 version
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Why doesn't Tony Khan do a bunch of coke and challenge Vince McMahon to a fight like Eric Bischoff?
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Jul 18, 2022 17:56
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That’s where Impact Tony would inevitably have gone and the world is a darker place without it
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Jul 18, 2022 17:57
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Bret had one of those rare completely natural slow burns where he went from the less memorable Hart Foundation guy to people going "Wow this guy's a sick wrestler in a period where no one except maybe Randy Savage and Mr. Perfect are sick wrestlers"
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Jul 18, 2022 18:49
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Imagine secretly training with Ernest "The Cat" Miller for your showdown with Billionaire Vince, only to learn he's stepping down due to one of his least disgusting sex crimes.
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Alaois posted:one of my favorite crusty old bitch things is when people complain that forearms and chops and whatever don't look "legit" and then talk about how wrestlers in the 80s throwing giant theatrical wind up punches while stomping their feet on the mat to make noise was the greatest thing they've ever seen Bret thought chops were a lovely move for pro wrestling because the whole point of working is to do stuff that looks like it hurts but doesn't so just chopping a guy hard is the opposite of what you should be doing.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Why doesn't Tony Khan do a bunch of coke and challenge Vince McMahon to a fight like Eric Bischoff? Because he'd lose and he knows it.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:42
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TK is a hugger, not a fighter.
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Yeah one appealing part of Tony Khan is that he obviously is not in wrestling because he believes he, personally, is a tough guy, and loves surrounding himself with other tough guys like he, a tough guy, should be surrounded by, to be part of the Big Tough Boy Gang. It is so sad and pathetic that Vince McMahon in his 80s still clearly is all-in on the Big Tough Manly Guy image (not that it is ever not pathetic)
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i love being a tough guy. not going to apologize for it.
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pseudodragon posted:Bret thought chops were a lovely move for pro wrestling because the whole point of working is to do stuff that looks like it hurts but doesn't so just chopping a guy hard is the opposite of what you should be doing.
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ChrisBTY posted:Because he'd lose and he knows it. I mean do you think Eric Bischoff would have won?
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I mean do you think Eric Bischoff would have won? No, but Eric absolutely does. Ego is funny that way.
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Jul 18, 2022 22:57
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i liked when bischoff had a brick in his dumb karate shoe. pisst me off
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I mean do you think Eric Bischoff would have won? I mean, probably.
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vince was one of the most unathletic people to ever live lol. eric at least trained in fake karate and could move his body without tearing both quads off the bone.
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[vince mcmahon tied up kneeling on the ground] bischoff: time to cash out. maybe khans kill people without lookin' em in the face. but i ain't a fink, dig? you've made your last delivery, kid. sorry you got twisted up in this scene. from where you're kneeling it must seem like an 18k run of bad luck. truth is... the game was rigged from the start. *brick kick to the head* vince's dead baby. vince is dead Thank you for reading my story.
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Cavauro posted:i liked when bischoff had a brick in his dumb karate shoe. pisst me off A really interesting thing about the Monday Night Wars is how both the top officials were 10/10 performers. I preferred Eric but both he and Vince were great characters. The stars aligned in the Attitude Era in a really miraculous way.
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What was up with the British Bulldog popping up in WCW for a brief stint in the early 90's before returning again after the Montreal Screw Job?
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There are conflicting (or maybe coinciding) reasons for Davey Boy Smith leaving WWF at the end of 1992. A: After the big Wembley main event against Bret at Summerslam 1992, Davey thought he should be treated/paid at the level of a Hogan or Warrior since he was such a draw/fan favorite/merch mover in the UK/Europe. Vince did not agree. B: Various people including Bret Hart claim that his name came up in some of the federal investigations into steroids that were just kicking off in 1992. So he either quit/got fired in 1992, did one ECW show in December 1992, an All Japan tour in spring 1993, then landed in WCW not long after Bischoff got promoted to executive producer/head booker in the first of many many "hire big WWF guys" moves. In late 1993 Vince McMahon was formally indicted on steroid charges, and within a couple of weeks two of WCW's Most Steroidal (Davey Boy and Sid Vicious) were perhaps coincidentally fired, Sid over not FORGETTING HIS SCISSORS and stabbing Arn Anderson at a hotel, Davey Boy either for no-showing too many house shows or because he fractured someone's skull in a bar fight and was facing charges. Also possibly because WCW did not want these brolic men all over their TV while WRESTLING STEROID TRIALS headlines were everywhere. Smith wrestled in Canada and England on and off for a bit and then in August 1994, a month after Vince McMahon was acquitted in the steroid trial, Davey Boy was back in WWF.
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what's the best age to start training a baby in pro wrestling maneuvers? secondly, what's the best age to start training a baby in the ancient bloodsport kumite?
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Gambit from the X-Men posted:what's the best age to start training a baby in pro wrestling maneuvers? secondly, what's the best age to start training a baby in the ancient bloodsport kumite? Kids are annoying to train BJJ to before theyre 10 or so, so never IMO, itd probably be better to enroll them in gymnastics which can be done fairly early I guess? Like six or so?
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I have quite a bit of experience teaching kids to grapple. Usually under 8 years old there's no point teaching anything than tumbling / agility-balance-coordination stuff to a general class. Especially under 6 is a gigantic waste of time and energy. With certain exceptions, a "good" kid in these ranges will learn breakfalls and be able to recall techniques when they're demonstrated to them as a prompt. The only significant benefits will usually be achieved in gamifying fundamental movements. Sending most kids this age to a judo/wrestling/bjj class will be close to identical to sending them to a gymnastics class. 8-9 year olds can pick up/recall macro techniques but they're not really capable of making technical adjustments or refinements. For example, you can tell a kid this age "grab side control" and they'll know what you're talking about, but they won't usually remember "use your shoulder to make them look away from you and it will be harder for them to escape." If you get reps in with a kid this age and then prompt them, they can often perform well, but they need those prompts. E.g. I can explain to a 9 year old "be squirmy and keep moving with bridges and shrimps when you're being held down and get your legs in between" and get them to practice it a bit and they'll get it, but they won't do it until I yell "Rowan! Remember to be squirmy!" and then they'll start doing it, usually quite well. Somewhere from age 10-12 you can start teaching real techniques to kids, and from there they'll be pretty similar to adults as far as the mental stuff goes, with the usual adjustments for attention span and developing strength. 12-16, depending on the athlete development, you can start getting benefits from supplemental strength and conditioning, and it's not even really worth doing elite-pathway sport-specific specialty training under 18. General fitness is more important and competitive performance in the mid teens is not a good indicator of long-term competitive success. Instructor ratio also tends to double every age category. One instructor can handle 20-24 adults, 10-12 teens, 6-8 8-9 year olds, and at most 3-4 <8 year olds. The exception to all of this is how much individual attention and reinforcement you're willing to give. You can push a kid up one category here, but it takes an order of magnitude increase in instruction and attention. I've seen a 5 year old become technically proficient at morote seoi nage and sode tsurikomi goshi - throws that can be difficult for intermediate adults to learn - but she had a parent and four older siblings in judo, so she essentially had a 5:1 instructor ratio.
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Quick return to Punch-Chat (tm): How does the closed fist ban relate to moves like the Superman Punch or the far superior Orange Punch? How are those allowed by the kayfabe rules of wrestling?
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in wrestling sometimes things are really cool and you have just ignore logic for a second and enjoy them
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i think i've seen a bunch of matches where somebody gets warned like 8 times to stop using a closed fist so it's ok as long as you don't do it that much. sometimes it's fine to do 1,000 times in a row as well.
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I feel like I haven't heard a commentator say anything about closed-fist punches in ages. And I have never in my lifetime heard a commentator say anything about kicks with one foot on the ground, which was the original old timey excuse for dropkicks and why guys weren't just blasting muay thai style body kicks into each other's ribs.
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Big Bossman used to do close fist punches and the commentary team would question why the referee wasn't telling him off. Related question I've asked ITT before: how does Kota Ibushi make his punches look so real without actually punching the other guy? His punches on Okada in their WK match were brutal looking but Okada had no bruises and seemingly wasn't knocked senseless by them.
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Had there been vignettes or anything for the Shockmaster before the famous reveal segment with Sting? The incredulous "WHAT" from Schiavone (?) before Sting has even finished saying the name always cracks me up, but I guess it makes more sense if there had been some sort of Shockmaster hype beforehand.
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Op specifically asked about a baby so the correct answer is that you need to teach them to bump at the moment of conception because that's the only time you are truly considered to be a human being
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RE: closed fist punches: I really liked in that Ibushi/Nakamura match at Wrestle Kingdom where they kept teasing straight punches and ended up sort of doing them behind the ref's back. Really sold how much more brutal they are than forearms and I should probably go back and watch that match again. Also KUSHIDA's baseball pitch punch thing he used to (maybe still does) do is v. cool and I like how much Red Shoes used to get angry at him for doing them.
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I have three young boys (in the literal not the new japan sense) and teaching them to tuck their chin and not reach down to break their falls has probably saved me $800 in casts and x-rays
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but can they take a styles clash?
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Minidust posted:Had there been vignettes or anything for the Shockmaster before the famous reveal segment with Sting?
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Kosmo Gallion posted:
You can throw a pretty bealivable worked punch by having your fist open slightly (imagine you are holding a small tube in your hand) and then throw a normal looking punch without much risk of damage. although my punches never looked as good as ibushi's do (neither did anything I ever did)
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Lazy like a Fox posted:Quick return to Punch-Chat (tm): How does the closed fist ban relate to moves like the Superman Punch or the far superior Orange Punch? How are those allowed by the kayfabe rules of wrestling? I think I wouldnt actually know this rule except it was used as a one off dusty finish involving flair on a random rear end RAW in the 00's era to screw a face by DQ or something
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I distinctly remember Test being DQed once for the same thing because he was being hosed with by Stephanie at the time and she was ringside to force the ref to make that call
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I feel like there's been at least one match where closed fists were specifically called out in the match name. I could misremembering or also an idiot.
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Taped Fist Matches used to be a thing.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm pretty sure that was the debut and they hadn't done any TV spots or anything.
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