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El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

amethystbliss posted:

Would love some advice on how to handle this tile in the bathroom. The other day we heard a random crash and turns out a few of the ceiling tiles in the shower had fallen off. A few more were loose so we scored them and took them down (should probably do the rest this weekend). Luckily the only damage was a small chip at the top of the shower door.





Should we just replace the sheetrock and paint the ceiling? We'd need to find some kind of trim if we do that. Retile with the same tile since we have extra? Retile with something smaller format? This house was built in the last decade so we were surprised it hasn't held up.



I can't tell if it's the angle or not, but is the ceiling above the shower straight? Like...it's not warping downward, or sagging, right? Any ceiling flex could also cause tiles to fall.

Either way, yeah moisture + failure to backbutter would also do that.

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phosdex
Dec 16, 2005

I'm getting a mini-split system installed today. All of my rooms have a ceiling fan wired to 2 outlets, 1 each for fan/light. I think the mini-splits would eliminate the need for ceiling fans, if I take these down is there anything interesting to do with a fixture already wired for 2 switches?

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Like, BESIDES a spinning disco ball or ...?

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

phosdex posted:

I'm getting a mini-split system installed today. All of my rooms have a ceiling fan wired to 2 outlets, 1 each for fan/light. I think the mini-splits would eliminate the need for ceiling fans, if I take these down is there anything interesting to do with a fixture already wired for 2 switches?

Keep the fans.

Gin_Rummy
Aug 4, 2007
Is there any reason why that shower would NEED tiles that high up and on the ceiling? I have a very similar set up and the tile stops maybe half a foot above the shower head.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Tiles up to the ceiling look nicer imo.

Tiles on the ceiling are a bit much unless you have some architecture magazine level place

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

phosdex posted:

I'm getting a mini-split system installed today. All of my rooms have a ceiling fan wired to 2 outlets, 1 each for fan/light. I think the mini-splits would eliminate the need for ceiling fans, if I take these down is there anything interesting to do with a fixture already wired for 2 switches?

Definitely keep the fans. You'll use them when you don't have the splits going, and they will supplement the fans on the units when they are.

If you go at least a year (get through every season) and still don't want the fans, then take them down.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

We pretty much never turn the fans in our house off, except briefly to switch the rotation when it gets cold out, then back again in the spring

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005

I can see keeping the fans in the living room and kitchen, since they are larger rooms. But the bedroom ones I feel like the mini-split in just fan mode would be ok. But yes, this isn't a thing I'll be doing this weekend, just a longer term plan.

Hadlock posted:

We pretty much never turn the fans in our house off, except briefly to switch the rotation when it gets cold out, then back again in the spring

Ok, this is the first house I've lived in with more than 1 ceiling fan. Leaving a fan on in a room you're not in doesn't seem like it's really doing anything?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

brugroffil posted:

Tiles on the ceiling are a bit much unless you have some architecture magazine level place

I don't have an architectural mag place, but I do have a steam shower. And you absolutely need to waterproof the ceiling for the shower enclosure if you're doing that.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

phosdex posted:

I can see keeping the fans in the living room and kitchen, since they are larger rooms. But the bedroom ones I feel like the mini-split in just fan mode would be ok. But yes, this isn't a thing I'll be doing this weekend, just a longer term plan.

Ok, this is the first house I've lived in with more than 1 ceiling fan. Leaving a fan on in a room you're not in doesn't seem like it's really doing anything?

Yeah your questions kind of read like someone who just moved from the rust belt to a more temperate climate

The fans use hardly any electricity at all, especially at the lower settings so we just leave them on 24/7

The fans do a great job of mixing the air so the whole house is a more consistent temperature, and for example, my desk is over by the wall/window but because the fan is on its not super hot. Without the fan the room becomes unevenly hot, and the air can feel stale etc

In our previous house we didn't have ceiling fans, so we had a vornado floor fan in each room set on low, improved comfort by about 100% especially on hot days

In the winter you switch the rotation in reverse and it helps draw up the cold air from the center of the room and pushes the warm air down the walls to keep the air temperature homogeneous, rather than 85F air at the ceiling and 65F air down by the floor and couch

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 18, 2022

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
Eh, ceiling fans in an empty room don't do much. They mix the air inside the room, sure, but I wouldn't really expect that to affect the rest of the house? Especially without a forced air system that's constantly moving air around the house.

Fans in an occupied room, however, are incredibly useful with or without other HVAC. I would go out of my way to install fans in every bedroom and living space. They can massively improve comfort of people inside the room without having to screw with the HVAC temperature setting.

IMO don't get rid of the fan willfully. Maybe if the light fixture needs replacing you could just install a light-only fixture, but don't buy a new light fixture to explicitly get rid of the fan.

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005

Is there actually any cool fixture or something that could use having the 2 switches?

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

phosdex posted:

Is there actually any cool fixture or something that could use having the 2 switches?

With some creative rewiring, sure. Off the shelf? Probably not.

Depending on the ceiling construction (an open attic makes adding lights easy, compared to swapping a single to a double gang switch box and feeding power up which isn't much harder) I'd use that added hot wire to add accent lighting somewhere in the room, like a pair of spots on each side of the bed, or focus on a wall with art on it.

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005

So disco ball it is. One to spin, one to light it up.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

phosdex posted:

So disco ball it is. One to spin, one to light it up.

:toxx:

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007

Yay water issues! If you live near NYC You’re aware of the 2 inches of rain in like 1.5 hours we got today.

And of course, I have an old sump pump that I planned to replace within the next few months, and it seems to have died. Specifically the plug for the float I think is what died?





If I plug in just the back plug the pump comes on. But my understanding is letting the pump run dry is very bad no good.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to get this working cheaply or easily while I find someone to replace the whole thing?

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
That’s a good and easy DIY project, replacing a sump pump is pretty straightforward. Only tool you’ll need is something to cut the pipe. Union sleeve to put it back together, an end that will screw into your new sump pump outlet, and some pipe dope/glue.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
Pretty sure you can just get a new float switch at any LowesDepot? If the pump still runs, no need to replace the whole thing.

But yes, do NOT let the pump run dry. Stand by and run it yourself if you have to and unplug when it's low, but don't just walk away.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

DaveSauce posted:

Pretty sure you can just get a new float switch at any LowesDepot? If the pump still runs, no need to replace the whole thing.

But yes, do NOT let the pump run dry. Stand by and run it yourself if you have to and unplug when it's low, but don't just walk away.

This. If you watch it refill for a few cycles you can use a plug cycle timer like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/BN-LINK-Period-Repeat-Intermittent-Interval/dp/B0184CG9K0/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=cycle+timer&qid=1658231256&sr=8-6

Harbor freight sells sump pumps of various ratings. I recall when my septic pump went out Home Depot did too.

(I did not replace my own septic pump, the price to not get covered in poo was like $500 and that was worth it IMO)

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Is there a way to calculate rough energy use and cost between hot water heaters?

We have a 15 year old 50 gallon tank style that I am trying to replace before it dies. I've got a quote to replace it with a new 50 gallon water heater with a direct vent and leak alarm for $3200. Or I Navien tankless model for $7900. The old style unit has a 10 year warranty and could probably go 15 years max, while the tankless has 15 year warranty and should probably go 20 years.

Rough ballpark numbers from the vendor show an operating cost of $320 a year for the old style at $1.09 a therm (whatever that is) vs $195 a year for the tankless.

Based on those numbers I'd actually come out ahead with the older style since I'd only be saving $125 a year and would only presumably get another 10 years out of it. But I'm worried my math is overly simplistic or that I am underestimating energy costs and future energy costs.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Is there a way to calculate rough energy use and cost between hot water heaters?

Do you not live in a country with something like Energy Star? That big yellow sticker does what you're asking. I think the number on the side is for a family of 4 with $10c/kWh, per month

US Mexico and Costa Rica offer it, it's probably available elsewhere

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

The tank doesnt have an energy star rating so trying to calculate this all based off of vendor spec sheets unfortunately.

The math looks like a tankless is more expensive in the long run though based on what I can find, so likely an old school tank model is what ill go with despite the lack of efficiency. Maybe in 20 years ill get a new boiler/water heater combo unit or something.

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007

devmd01 posted:

That’s a good and easy DIY project, replacing a sump pump is pretty straightforward. Only tool you’ll need is something to cut the pipe. Union sleeve to put it back together, an end that will screw into your new sump pump outlet, and some pipe dope/glue.

Thanks, but I'm going to contract this out. The way my house is set up all of the rain runoff purposely drains into the pump (NYC, so everything is concrete). If it doesn't work, I will absolutely get water in the basement. I also want a battery backup.

DaveSauce posted:

Pretty sure you can just get a new float switch at any LowesDepot? If the pump still runs, no need to replace the whole thing.

But yes, do NOT let the pump run dry. Stand by and run it yourself if you have to and unplug when it's low, but don't just walk away.

I saw that as an option, and I may just go do this depending on lead time to getting a replacement installed. They seem to be like $30.

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug
Anyone have any ideas on how to track down mildew smell in a bathroom? We've cleaned all the surfaces, scrubbed the walls and I even installed a vent fan. After all that it only takes one shower to make the place stink after a few hours unless I leave the fan going full blast. The fan does have a rather long run so I might need to increase the CPM but its already loud as hell. I guess better question is who would I call to investigate and fix. General Contractor? Mold specialist?

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
Have you treated the drains?

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
Which of you fuckers dumped all your humidity in the east bay this year? Holy balls, it's so humid compared to last summer. Every door is sticking now.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

BaseballPCHiker posted:

The tank doesnt have an energy star rating so trying to calculate this all based off of vendor spec sheets unfortunately.

The math looks like a tankless is more expensive in the long run though based on what I can find, so likely an old school tank model is what ill go with despite the lack of efficiency. Maybe in 20 years ill get a new boiler/water heater combo unit or something.

Don't buy tankless unless you want to buy tankless. They cost more to buy, install, and sometimes operate depending on your usage patterns. NEVER buy an electric tankless. Also what sort of fly by night water heater doesn't have an energy rating tag? I thought you were in the USA? What's the make/model?

You 99.9% want to replace like for like tank for tank and Get Three Bids. Unless you're moving to a heat pump model you're potentially getting taken for a ride at $3200 unless there are serious code upgrades to be done. A water heater replacement is the sort of thing you can use a LowesDepot Lowest Bid Plumber for if there is no other upgrade needed and you watch them. (Make sure their copper is wiped down after sweating, they shine it before sweating it.) If you need anything "creative" done then hire a plumber yourself.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Arkanomen posted:

Anyone have any ideas on how to track down mildew smell in a bathroom? We've cleaned all the surfaces, scrubbed the walls and I even installed a vent fan. After all that it only takes one shower to make the place stink after a few hours unless I leave the fan going full blast. The fan does have a rather long run so I might need to increase the CPM but its already loud as hell. I guess better question is who would I call to investigate and fix. General Contractor? Mold specialist?

What kind of condition is your tub/shower surround? Is it tile? If so, what is the grout like? What are the corners like (where it should be caulked)? How about where it meets other walls/the floor?

It's hard to give any real advice without an idea of condition and preferably pictures. Bathrooms that a lot of people think are "okay" still are really well past their useful service life and need to be ripped out. How old is your house? Has the bathroom been renoed? If so when and to what extent?

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug

Motronic posted:

What kind of condition is your tub/shower surround? Is it tile? If so, what is the grout like? What are the corners like (where it should be caulked)? How about where it meets other walls/the floor?

It's hard to give any real advice without an idea of condition and preferably pictures. Bathrooms that a lot of people think are "okay" still are really well past their useful service life and need to be ripped out. How old is your house? Has the bathroom been renoed? If so when and to what extent?

Thanks for the possible leads. Built in 1996, its one of those solid plastic all-in-one inserts. The grout needs to get replaced but its only present around the upper edge and the water doesn't really splash up there. Looking now, there is some black gunk around the doors so its time to bleach it again but its not a lot. I replaced the floor (laminate for laminate plant) a year ago and there wasn't any water intrusion or dry rot on the subfloor. I caulked everywhere and then put one of those peel-and-stick "caulk tape" over it to double layer. I also had to recaulk down the metal grate in the middle. I didn't see any leaks there either.

Think I'll go and redo all that and bleach it all this weekend.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Bleach is not an effective mold remediation product on semi-porous or porous surfaces. Bleach kills mold on contact but does not soak in well and it neutralizes in hours. Try Concrobium.

DkHelmet
Jul 10, 2001

I pity the foal...


Motronic posted:

I don't have an architectural mag place, but I do have a steam shower. And you absolutely need to waterproof the ceiling for the shower enclosure if you're doing that.

Is the steam shower worth it?

devicenull
May 30, 2007

Grimey Drawer

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Is there a way to calculate rough energy use and cost between hot water heaters?

We have a 15 year old 50 gallon tank style that I am trying to replace before it dies. I've got a quote to replace it with a new 50 gallon water heater with a direct vent and leak alarm for $3200. Or I Navien tankless model for $7900. The old style unit has a 10 year warranty and could probably go 15 years max, while the tankless has 15 year warranty and should probably go 20 years.

Rough ballpark numbers from the vendor show an operating cost of $320 a year for the old style at $1.09 a therm (whatever that is) vs $195 a year for the tankless.

Based on those numbers I'd actually come out ahead with the older style since I'd only be saving $125 a year and would only presumably get another 10 years out of it. But I'm worried my math is overly simplistic or that I am underestimating energy costs and future energy costs.

Ask whoever is installing the tanked unit if there's a warranty extension available. Some vendors offer one (it's essentially a second anode and a sticker). Stay current on replacing the anode and flushing the tank, and you'll definitely get a longer life out of it.

You can get a $20 leak alarm from anywhere and it'll do the same thing.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Arkanomen posted:

Built in 1996

In most cases this is "gut to the studs reno" time unfortunately.

DkHelmet posted:

Is the steam shower worth it?

Oh my god yes.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


We want to switch away from the combo washer-dryer that came with the house. (Washer and dryer mounted above one another as a single appliance. You see them a lot in apartments.) We need a water-efficient washer because we're on a well and a problematic septic system. We need stackable because we have very little space. Consumer Reports thinks LG front-loading washers are very water-efficient, very reliable, and work well. Is there stuff I need to know about LG?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Arsenic Lupin posted:

We want to switch away from the combo washer-dryer that came with the house. (Washer and dryer mounted above one another as a single appliance. You see them a lot in apartments.) We need a water-efficient washer because we're on a well and a problematic septic system. We need stackable because we have very little space. Consumer Reports thinks LG front-loading washers are very water-efficient, very reliable, and work well. Is there stuff I need to know about LG?

They are nearly the same same as that hateful apartment all in one format, you absolutely do want to make sure you get the stacking kit so they are properly and securely connected, you probably want water hammer arrestors on the hot and cold feeds to the washer (the valves SLAM open and shut - this is the kind of thing I've used: https://www.siouxchief.com/products/supply/arresters-and-trap-primers/arresters/minirester?template=P3Brochures).

BUT, they're overcomplicated pieces of crap that are more expensive to maintain when they break. They are not more expensive than the alrernative of the beating something like a speedqueen will take on your well and septic, so run with it. They will probably be fine.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik

Motronic posted:

In most cases this is "gut to the studs reno" time unfortunately.

Good thing mine was built in 1997. :smug:

But seriously I’ve not found any instances of lovely work, it probably helps that every single house in this neighborhood was custom. You might find a couple that are really similar if you paid attention walking around but every single house is unique.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

devmd01 posted:

Good thing mine was built in 1997. :smug:

But seriously I’ve not found any instances of lovely work, it probably helps that every single house in this neighborhood was custom. You might find a couple that are really similar if you paid attention walking around but every single house is unique.

You likely know more than me, and definitely do about your place, but it’s funny because our inspector said the custom home builds are where the crazy stuff comes out in his reports. He said the crews that focus on building homes for the national home companies aren’t perfect, but the areas of concern are fairly consistent across all inspections and the issues are mediocre/poor quality and not major safety flags. Meanwhile custom builds are done by unknown and inexperienced crews because the buyers are trying to save on labor.

Could be the inspector was trying to make me feel better about buying a starter home and not a $1M mansion with a garage apartment and water slide in the fancy neighborhood, though :v:

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Look, any of you could have gotten the best tile/bathroom guy who was given all the budget he wanted to make the best water tight bathroom. But in the 90s and early 2000s that was not a nice mud bed shower, etc like those pink tiled bathrooms that are still around and fine form the 50s and 60s. It was new materials that were intended to be less expensive and mostly save labor that we have largely moved past now to the 5th to 10th generation of those same types of materials.

I haven't seen many bathrooms from the late 80s and early 90s that are still serviceable, regardless of development of custom built home. It's a thing of the times and the materials/methods available. (not counting guest bathrooms and others that aren't used on a regular basis......because this is all about water/steam/humidity destroying things)

I'm afraid even doing out "best" right now that poo poo like redguard and kerdi may not last as well as those 50s high labor/high material bathrooms.

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PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Motronic posted:


I haven't seen many bathrooms from the late 80s and early 90s that are still serviceable...

C'mon, come right out & say it: With few exceptions, developers have been using garbage & building garbage since the mid-70's. It's really stark after 35-years of inspecting structures built from 1740 to this year.

Arkanomen posted:

... The grout needs to get replaced...Looking now, there is some black gunk around the doors so its time to bleach it again but its not a lot. I

I caulked everywhere and then put one of those peel-and-stick "caulk tape" over it to double layer. I also had to recaulk down the metal grate in the middle. I didn't see any leaks there either.

Caulk has a nasty tendency to look fine even while & after its adhesion fails, so when you see black crap on caulk or grout, it's not on the grout, it's in it, and most importantly, behind it...so, if you're getting black grout or caulk, it has to all be torn out & re-done.

For the same reason, do not use grout tape or other 'labor-saving' seal tapes. They trap all kinds of crap.

Practice laying caulk until you get good at it, or hire in someone that can.

Someone up-thread mentioned cleaning out your drains & traps. Try that too.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jul 20, 2022

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