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Makes me think of that tweet of Corbyn 11 cans deep bursting in on his wife at 3 AM to announce that Hilary Benn's a oval office and he's going to fire him, his wife says "can't it wait until the morning?" Corbyn: Bollocks.
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Z the IVth posted:The swastikas are a nice touch. The Hindenburg disaster was an early example of antifa praxis.
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The left is an existential threat to liberals. They see themselves as "The Good Guys" with The Tories being "The Bad Guys". Anything the liberal does is a good thing and anything the Tories do is a bad thing. But when The Left turns up and does actual good things such as genuine minority representation, the liberal has their bullshit exposed but they can handle the cognitive dissonance so they have to vilify The Left to return to being "The Good Guys". This is why they are so susceptible to love bombing and turning rightward, they want to be held up and praised as paragons of virtue. gently caress liberals.
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I don’t know anything about pricing a newspaper, but I imagine it’s important that the Express costs a good bit more than the tabloids because it gives it more of an air of being more serious and sensible; it suggests it is a different thing from them, and you are more invested in things through buying one. Especially considering The Sun is more “have a fun time reading a newspaper” in its marketing; you’re not buying the Express to have fun
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notaspy posted:The left is an existential threat to liberals. 
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Sweary Keef is """"""""""good"""""""""", however the problem is he's aiming it at irrelevant hasbeen failure Johnson now it's safe to do so, instead of the Oncoming Storm. On the Expr*ss, it seems the major demographic of its buyer is "dead soon", so that clears that up. 
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Jul 20, 2022 11:01
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dr_rat posted:Why am I getting uncanny valley vibes from this. Like it's obviously a photo, but there is so much about it that just seems... off. It's extremely processed, to the point where it looks like a shop. https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=2b9645fdd5c49c83ccb5f63c16175b5723cd60dd.603342
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Jul 20, 2022 11:28
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we're entering the dark keith era good thing he's never bullshitted about anything in politics ever
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Rustybear posted:we're entering the dark keith era I think you'll find he was simply changing his policy offer in line with the shifting political landscape. The important shift being "I'm leader now, gently caress you"
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Dark Starmer has truly become the leader of the Shadow Cabinet. Wait a minute that's not Dark Starmer at all he's just in blackface
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A new socialist party achieves nothing under our current hell system other than ensuring a far right Tory government forevermore. It's one of the darker ironies of British politics that the current best hope of achieving proper socialist parliamentary representation is to vote Lib Dem as hard as possible.
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Chinese Gordon posted:A new socialist party achieves nothing under our current hell system other than ensuring a far right Tory government forevermore. --The Guardian, 1900
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https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1546828342317432842
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Scottish Labour are terminally Blairite, yeah.
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Jul 20, 2022 12:28
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Blast from the past of a week ago. https://twitter.com/mike_mccahill/status/1547339344003928065
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Only Kindness posted:Blast from the past of a week ago. Rusty has his weaknesses but he's sure fuckin' got it where it counts
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Chinese Gordon posted:A new socialist party achieves nothing under our current hell system other than ensuring a far right Tory government forevermore. Sorry but lib dems, as we have seen repeatedly, are just tories when it comes down to it. There is zero point voting for a third party that's happy to formally coalition with the right for piss all but a few ministerial spots and a plastic bag tax. I think a proper left party might make inroads if it had savvy politicians and enough resources, perhaps if the unions decided to reorient towards it, but that would require an insane upheaval in British politics. That's not impossible, but eh, I'm not exactly optimistic. As it stands I still somewhat feel like the only real avenue is a left-wing shift within Labour, and Corbyn showed that the energy for that is there if it can be harnessed. However, getting there would involve a really bloody conflict with the upper echelons of the party, and we'd need to be willing to fight dirty to get there - our opponents certainly are. That said, that's all within the 'legitimate' scope of representative parliamentary democracy, and I can't really think of a properly left wing government full stop that's been installed via those channels in peacetime and hasn't immediately pivoted to liberalism or been couped. Every single socialist success has come out of chaotic struggle and has involved open class warfare. I don't see Britain as a particularly likely place for that anytime soon, but hell the planet is dying so who knows.
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Biggus Dickus posted:It's extremely processed, to the point where it looks like a shop. This is fascinating. I'm sure people in this thread can ELI5 and share other examples? I've read the tutorial but that image looks like it should to my untrained eye? https://fotoforensics.com/tutorial.php?tt=ela
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Reveilled posted:--The Guardian, 1900 I have been owned. It's a fair point, but I'd argue the material conditions and media ecosystem of the Edwardian era are so radically different from today that a similar replacement of one of the two main parties is all but impossible. (From the left anyway; the Tories were definitely vulnerable pre Brexit, before they effectively co-opted the far right).
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ThomasPaine posted:Sorry but lib dems, as we have seen repeatedly, are just tories when it comes down to it. There is zero point voting for a third party that's happy to formally coalition with the right for piss all but a few ministerial spots and a plastic bag tax. I was referring to the (faint) hope that the Lib Dems might extract PR as a price for a Lib-Lab coalition. Obviously they are completely useless otherwise.. As for your main point, before the defenestration of Corbyn I would have absolutely agreed with you. But while one might argue that a more effective and ruthless leader DemSoc leader could have succeeded, the Corbyn experience convinced me that there will *never* be a proper left wing alternative from Labour and further that said left-wing alternative has no chance of achieving a majority government under FPTP. At least not until every Boomer is dead. The party and the media are just too fundamentally opposed. Chinese Gordon fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Jul 20, 2022 |
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I think the Lib Dems have recently said that they would form an agreement with the Tories again (but I might be hallucinating that). Realistically I reckon if Corbyn were more vicious he could have won control of the party for the left for sure, but then as you say the media is fundamentally opposed to that and it's possible or even likely that the Labour party would have been relegated to the #3 spot as the media hard-pivots and starts manufacturing consent for the Lib Dems instead. All the lefty MPs running off and forming a new party with union backing would just get branded a dangerous socialist offshoot cult and the news coverage would be universally negative (if they received any at all). The recent media attacks on the RMT strikes are proof enough that whether they're Labour-affiliated or not, the media is opposed to them.
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pesto just doxxed david davis, deleted it, then reposted this is phenomenal attempt at a redaction https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1549755340249616388
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Peston is the dumbest mf in the media bubble, creaseless brain, information slips off it like a dog running on laminate.
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He just wants a seat at the table. He'd happily line up behind Harry Cole for third helpings.
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Xeno posted:This is fascinating. I'm sure people in this thread can ELI5 and share other examples? I've read the tutorial but that image looks like it should to my untrained eye? https://fotoforensics.com/tutorial.php?tt=ela It looks like there has been a fair bit of sharpening (making edges more defined) and the red of red objects has been bumped up a lot. I don't think that much else has been done beyond normal colour correction, the FotoForensics tool doesn't seem to indicate a lot of touching up. There was obviously some extra lighting involved which can make things appear unnatural even if you can't put your finger on quite why - shadows and highlights don't match up with your expectations for a normally/naturally lit room and that discrepancy gives the image an unreal look. You can see for instance that the lamp in the corner casts two shadows and there are shadows on the right wall, but the light on the phone box thing make it appear that the main light source in the room should be somewhere to the right of the camera. I'd guess they had at least a big, soft light source there (maybe an actual window), and another higher up in the direction she's looking. Also the scene is just weird.
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Spangly A posted:Their lord and saviour came out and literally said it was better to lose than to win with a leftist platform. That seems a bit disengenous. Almost everyone has some level of gulaggery up with which they will not put. A lot of people would draw the line somewhere short of Stalin; they are not clearly wrong. Unlike some Labour politicians and officials, Blair did actually publically back Corbyn in the 2017 and 2019 general elections. And I have not yet seen anything that says he was actively working against him in secret. Blair also had complete control over the party for most of the time Corbyn was an MP. So presumably he did not regard him as the kind of leftist he was warning about. Corbyn lost because he made an unforced error to adopt an unsellable Brexit policy, which he failed to correct for as long as he was leader. Everything else is background detail. There is no reason a leftist MP who did not make an equivalent strategic mistake would not fare better..
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radmonger posted:That seems a bit disengenous. Yes they are, if their drawing of that line means a mild-mannered old social democrat is too much for them. If that's too much then you should've be in the Labour Party. Also howling with laughter at you accusing anyone else of being disingenuous & then coming out with guff like blaming Brexit policy.
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radmonger posted:That seems a bit disengenous. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tony-blair-refuses-to-back-jeremy-corbyn-for-prime-minister quote:Asked if he was saying hand on heart that Corbyn would be the best prime minister, Blair told Sky News: “If the polls are right, we know who’s going to be prime minister on 9 June. That’s not the issue. It’ll be Theresa May if the polls are right. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/tony-blair-tories-labour-populism-election quote:He described the poll on 12 December as “the weirdest of my lifetime”, adding: “The truth is: the public aren’t convinced either main party deserve to win this election outright. They’re peddling two sets of fantasies and both, as majority governments, pose a risk it would be unwise for the country to take.” Ah yes, how not disingenuous.
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radmonger posted:Unlike some Labour politicians and officials, Blair did actually publically back Corbyn in the 2017 and 2019 general elections. And I have not yet seen anything that says he was actively working against him in secret. Blair also had complete control over the party for most of the time Corbyn was an MP. So presumably he did not regard him as the kind of leftist he was warning about. You're right that he wasn't working against him in secret. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/23/tony-blair-vote-tory-or-lib-dem-where-they-are-open-minded-on-brexit
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Lib dems are the only party not explicitly pushing facism via immigration or policing policy. Honestly, for me in 2022 that is how low the bar is to get a vote from me. I wish it wasn't so.
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radmonger posted:That seems a bit disengenous. Tony Blair posted:Let me make my position clear: I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform.
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Defending the honour of Saint Anthony Blair (Privitisation Be Upon Him)
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So, PM Truss it is then....
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Truss has made it to the membership vote. All hail PM Truss. Is it possible to have a more embarrassing national leader than Boris Johnson? I guess we'll find out!
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Congratulations Keir Starmer for becoming the next prime minister by default.
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Pork! Deals!
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Tesseraction posted:Congratulations Keir Starmer for becoming the next prime minister by default. Just need to survive two years of Truss as PM
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No Dignity posted:Just need to survive two years of Truss as PM 
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