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XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

LionArcher posted:

Saw this tick tock on what women are facing in the country right now and figured it's worth reposting. If this isn't the right place for this Mods, happy to move it to a different thread.

https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7115511531298639147

I've specifically been hearing these stories a lot about Walgreens. I dunno if those stores are more common in certain areas where things are more republican, or if that chain itself has something systemic going on, or both, but atm it seems like avoid them if possible. Of course that's not a solution, but you gotta do what you can to get safe healthcare.

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Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

XboxPants posted:

I've specifically been hearing these stories a lot about Walgreens. I dunno if those stores are more common in certain areas where things are more republican, or if that chain itself has something systemic going on, or both, but atm it seems like avoid them if possible. Of course that's not a solution, but you gotta do what you can to get safe healthcare.

They have the most market penetration. They're everywhere.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Oracle posted:

They have the most market penetration. They're everywhere.

It's not really a Walgreens issue anyway. The way the lady described the situation, it was just one bitchy pharmacist deciding to run interference. That can happen at any pharmacy. My gf has mentioned being bitched at by nosey fucks trying to get her to repent over her prescription.

It's always been a thing, they're just emboldened now.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Bar Ran Dun posted:

He explicitly told everybody what he was before he was elected in his book. Outright “ I am going to disappoint them.” to people who thought he was what you thought he was. Again before he was elected

You ... uh bamboozled yourself.

Now are there ideological choices he made that lead to now and that could have been made differently, yes. But those ideological failures especially in retrospect are quite in line with his stated beliefs actually were.

Hmm. "I am going to disappoint them". That's a pretty telling line!

Golly gee willikers, it's almost like the man was perfectly and completely aware that his campaign messaging and persona were enormously divergent from his own personal motivations and politics, and instead of either moving his own politics in the direction of his campaign messaging or altering his campaign messaging to accurately reflect his own views, he cynically exploited millions of people for votes by promising them hope and change that he never, ever planned to deliver. I guess it's pretty hard to get elected if you honestly tell voters that you plan to spend your entire presidency protecting and coddling the financial sector that destroyed the economy and trying to mortgage away the entire social safety net so that you can establish a historical legacy as "a president who managed to cut a short term deal across the aisle".

Really, it's all of those voters' faults for not buying and reading Obama's book in advance to determine that he was actually a liar, rather than Obama's fault for being a liar.

Kanos fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 20, 2022

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Bar Ran Dun posted:

He explicitly told everybody what he was before he was elected in his book. Outright “ I am going to disappoint them.” to people who thought he was what you thought he was. Again before he was elected

You ... uh bamboozled yourself.

Now are there ideological choices he made that lead to now and that could have been made differently, yes. But those ideological failures especially in retrospect are quite in line with his stated beliefs actually were.

All these rubes, believing in someone and hoping for the best. I fully admit that I embarrassingly took the bait as a naïve college student; what's shocking to me is how often I am lectured by liberals for having learned my lesson after being tricked the first time. The man singlehandedly murdered political enthusiasm for a generation.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

LionArcher posted:

Saw this tick tock on what women are facing in the country right now and figured it's worth reposting. If this isn't the right place for this Mods, happy to move it to a different thread.

https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7115511531298639147

I know of a few who got fired just recently for this and they tried to sue (CVS), but it didn't go anywhere.

-Blackadder-
Jan 2, 2007

Game....Blouses.
House just codified same-sex marriage rights.

All House Democrats and 47 House Republicans voted in favor of marriage equality.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1549534549687795712

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

-Blackadder- posted:

House just codified same-sex marriage rights.

All House Democrats and 47 House Republicans voted in favor of marriage equality.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1549534549687795712

What day is it scheduled to die in the senate?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Jaxyon posted:

What day is it scheduled to die in the senate?

They just introduced it today in the Senate with no scheduled date for a vote. They may not even vote because only 1 Republican is openly supporting it and they want to move on judges, reconciliation, and the bill to create an American semi-conductor manufacturing industry.

Keep an eye out for Durbin and Schumer to confirm if they will even vote on it either this week or next week.

Currently, 1 Republican is in support, 7 have no public position, 3 are "undecided," and 39 are publicly opposed. Not impossible to get 10 Republicans, but very unlikely.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

They just introduced it today in the Senate with no scheduled date for a vote. They may not even vote because only 1 Republican is openly supporting it and they want to move on judges, reconciliation, and the bill to create an American semi-conductor manufacturing industry.

Keep an eye out for Durbin and Schumer to confirm if they will even vote on it either this week or next week.

Currently, 1 Republican is in support, 7 have no public position, 3 are "undecided," and 39 are publicly opposed. Not impossible to get 10 Republicans, but very unlikely.


But just think of the optics! Now the Republicans know we mean business and will stand by our beliefs!

shades of eternity
Nov 9, 2013

Where kitties raise dragons in the world's largest mall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwwlOsptE2M

Steve does a great job explaining why you should vote.

Just in case you need more it's essentially "If your vote doesn't matter, why are they surpressing it?"

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

But just think of the optics! Now the Republicans know we mean business and will stand by our beliefs!

I do think it's important that this goes to a vote. I'll admit I'm a bit in denial about it actually getting voted down.

I remember what Prop 8 passing felt like. I don't want to feel like that again.

In a just world a no vote would be an albatross around the neck of these people forever.

Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

They just introduced it today in the Senate with no scheduled date for a vote. They may not even vote because only 1 Republican is openly supporting it and they want to move on judges, reconciliation, and the bill to create an American semi-conductor manufacturing industry.

Keep an eye out for Durbin and Schumer to confirm if they will even vote on it either this week or next week.

Currently, 1 Republican is in support, 7 have no public position, 3 are "undecided," and 39 are publicly opposed. Not impossible to get 10 Republicans, but very unlikely.

Is Susan Collins one of the undecided?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Silly Burrito posted:

Is Susan Collins one of the undecided?

She's a co-sponsor and the only Republican publicly supporting at this point.

McConnell, Romney, and Murkowski were asked specifically and said they were undecided.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

All these rubes, believing in someone and hoping for the best. I fully admit that I embarrassingly took the bait as a naïve college student; what's shocking to me is how often I am lectured by liberals for having learned my lesson after being tricked the first time. The man singlehandedly murdered political enthusiasm for a generation.

Part and this is a significant part of his ideological failure (and something I am guilty of as well) was that he believed in the American electorate.

Democracy rests on the myth of harmony. And it is a socialist critique that harmony, the idea that society will make the best choice by voting, is a myth.

If you want and value having a democracy, then participation in it now after having this myth broken is the only way to continue to have it. quite a lot of people now opt, to opt out of participation in it.

It’s not dissimilar to an evangelical finding out the Bible was written by people with agendas. One can have beliefs that make that not particularly a big deal. It’s the same with our civic religion. The ideas you want to exist, participate in.

Kanos posted:

Really, it's all of those voters' faults for not buying and reading Obama's book in advance to determine that he was actually a liar, rather than Obama's fault for being a liar.

The man wasn’t a liar. Society just outright ignored and largely had no idea what he was. A Christian Realist whose thought and principles was/are rooted in Niebuhr but were filtered through a neoliberal civic religion lens. I remember posting about this at length in threads here. There were opinion pieces on it in major papers. I remember posting and telling y’all that Obama, Hillary, McCain these are all Christian Realists. Which is what I was at the time.

It’s fine to believe in people and that can make real changes happen. But believe in the real person (and all people are messy contradictory fuckers fallen who will let you down), not the constructed idea of a person.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

haveblue posted:

The only thing that could make this awful year worse is Megatron escaping :/

Give it a year and you'll have people voting for him.

Starscream: Still the best running mate in the race.

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

They just introduced it today in the Senate with no scheduled date for a vote. They may not even vote because only 1 Republican is openly supporting it and they want to move on judges, reconciliation, and the bill to create an American semi-conductor manufacturing industry.

Keep an eye out for Durbin and Schumer to confirm if they will even vote on it either this week or next week.

Currently, 1 Republican is in support, 7 have no public position, 3 are "undecided," and 39 are publicly opposed. Not impossible to get 10 Republicans, but very unlikely.

When did the 39 say they were opposed? I only ask because the longer ago it was the easier it is to memory hole their former positions when they no longer are expedient.

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

shades of eternity posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwwlOsptE2M

Steve does a great job explaining why you should vote.

Just in case you need more it's essentially "If your vote doesn't matter, why are they surpressing it?"

Could you actually give an overview of his argument if you think it's worth hearing? Because I am absolutely not going to watch this ugly dork talking into the camera for 12 minutes. If it boils down to "actually voter suppression means voting must be worth something!" well okay, great, but me knowing that doesn't make the voter suppression go away. All those obstacles set up to stop me from voting are still in place. My personal evaluation of the worth of my vote does not mean I'm more capable of getting around them than I was before?

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Bar Ran Dun posted:

The man wasn’t a liar. Society just outright ignored and largely had no idea what he was. A Christian Realist whose thought and principles was/are rooted in Niebuhr but were filtered through a neoliberal civic religion lens. I remember posting about this at length in threads here. There were opinion pieces on it in major papers. I remember posting and telling y’all that Obama, Hillary, McCain these are all Christian Realists. Which is what I was at the time.

What on earth is a Christian Realist as applied to politics. What does that mean, to you, in ideological terms.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

They just introduced it today in the Senate with no scheduled date for a vote. They may not even vote because only 1 Republican is openly supporting it and they want to move on judges, reconciliation, and the bill to create an American semi-conductor manufacturing industry.

Keep an eye out for Durbin and Schumer to confirm if they will even vote on it either this week or next week.

Currently, 1 Republican is in support, 7 have no public position, 3 are "undecided," and 39 are publicly opposed. Not impossible to get 10 Republicans, but very unlikely.


Wouldn't matter if they got 10, chances are the admin won't push for it because Biden's personal politics won't let him sign something official the kills the DOMA. It'll never come to a vote to give cover to swing state Dem senators who'd rather castrate themselves than be seen doing something positive for gay people.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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So I was reading that Biden has signed an executive order refusing to let striking train workers actually strike? Is this accurate.

Here is where I found out about it, apologise ig that is incorrect or if I am not allowed to comment on it.

https://maritime-executive.com/article/president-biden-heads-off-rail-strike-with-60-day-cooling-off-period

It appears to be for a short time, but why is this acceptable?

silence_kit
Jul 14, 2011

by the sex ghost

Josef bugman posted:

So I was reading that Biden has signed an executive order refusing to let striking train workers actually strike? Is this accurate.

Here is where I found out about it, apologise ig that is incorrect or if I am not allowed to comment on it.

https://maritime-executive.com/article/president-biden-heads-off-rail-strike-with-60-day-cooling-off-period

It appears to be for a short time, but why is this acceptable?

Didn't you make a bunch of hysterical posts about how UK supermarkets were not going to have food on the shelves last Christmas due to supply chain issues?

You can argue that the ends do not justify the means, or you can question whether the strike would really threaten the supply chain that much, but delaying strikes to serve the public interest is a common rationale behind these kinds of executive actions. Goons often forget that the ideal goal of labor unions is NOT to serve the public interest, but instead is to serve the interests of their constituent members, which may be at odds with the public interest.

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silence_kit fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jul 20, 2022

Aztec Galactus
Sep 12, 2002

It feels like lovely centrism, but on the other hand I don't know how else you avert a strike, and shutting down literally every railroad in the US would be extremely bad for everyone right now

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Dubar posted:

It feels like lovely centrism, but on the other hand I don't know how else you avert a strike, and shutting down literally every railroad in the US would be extremely bad for everyone right now

The rail companies could cede to the workers' demands

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Lib and let die posted:

The rail companies could cede to the workers' demands

Per the article, they're requesting such pie in the sky luxuries as "cost of living raises" and "hiring enough people to be able to do their job safely" so thats not possible and I'm glad the Biden administration is stepping in to crush the saboteurs

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Josef bugman posted:

So I was reading that Biden has signed an executive order refusing to let striking train workers actually strike? Is this accurate.

Here is where I found out about it, apologise ig that is incorrect or if I am not allowed to comment on it.

https://maritime-executive.com/article/president-biden-heads-off-rail-strike-with-60-day-cooling-off-period

It appears to be for a short time, but why is this acceptable?

This is forcing the railway companies to negotiate with the unions. It is something the unions actually want. There has been no new contract for years because they haven't accepted a new collective bargaining agreement.

quote:

Unions, which have been in negotiations with employers for years, greeted Friday’s news with praise for the administration. “We commend President Biden for announcing a board of neutral arbitrators to investigate and report its findings and recommendations to help both parties work toward a resolution,” Greg Regan, president of the Transportation Trades Department of the AFL-CIO, said. “Quite simply, the facts are on our side and we look forward to the forthcoming recommendations of the presidentially-appointed arbitrators.”

It's essentially a weird semi-outdated part of U.S. railway law from when railways were much more important for cargo transportation. Congress can also mandate that the railway companies accept a union contract, which is another weird quirk of the law that only applies to train companies.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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silence_kit posted:

Didn't you make a bunch of hysterical posts about how UK supermarkets were not going to have food on the shelves last Christmas due to supply chain issues?

I don't believe so. I was the one who was worried it could happen worse than it currently is, but I don't really expect someone to remember that much about me.

The public interest is, I would argue, more served by more strikes by all people to be quite honest. If you want to complain about how unions aren't acting in the public interest I would also ask you to look to politicians and question their own acts.

Thank you everyone else for your answers. However it does appear distinctly stupid to delay strikes as this may result in greater disruption closer to other events.

Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Jul 20, 2022

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


Josef bugman posted:

However it does appear distinctly stupid to delay strikes as this may result in greater disruption closer to other events.

If you're delaying a strike because it gets the union more of what they want, which is the point of a strike, why is that a bad thing?

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

some plague rats posted:

What on earth is a Christian Realist as applied to politics. What does that mean, to you, in ideological terms.

This is basic terminology that you should really be able to do the bare minimum amount of your own homework on; they even gave you the name of relevant philosopher. Christian Realism is a ideology/theology explicitly about resolving the contradictions inherent in the intersection of Christian theology and politics, generally credited to Reinhold Niebuhr.

This is the academic equivalent of demanding someone explain and defend how Marxism is related to the ownership of the means of production.

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



Dubar posted:

It feels like lovely centrism, but on the other hand I don't know how else you avert a strike, and shutting down literally every railroad in the US would be extremely bad for everyone right now

It's insanely on brand for liberalism that you literally cannot conceive of another way to avert a strike. The president for example, using the power of his office in favor of the workers is completely unimaginable, but the president using his power against workers? Well that's just good governance baby.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Tatsuta Age posted:

If you're delaying a strike because it gets the union more of what they want, which is the point of a strike, why is that a bad thing?

It's foolish because I am doubtful, not completely so but still somewhat, that you'd manage to get them what they want. I am unsure that the companies will listen, though they should.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Ciprian Maricon posted:

It's insanely on brand for liberalism that you literally cannot conceive of another way to avert a strike. The president for example, using the power of his office in favor of the workers is completely unimaginable, but the president using his power against workers? Well that's just good governance baby.

This is literally doing what the unions wanted, though. It was posted a few posts above.

quote:

Unions, which have been in negotiations with employers for years, greeted Friday’s news with praise for the administration. “We commend President Biden for announcing a board of neutral arbitrators to investigate and report its findings and recommendations to help both parties work toward a resolution,” Greg Regan, president of the Transportation Trades Department of the AFL-CIO, said. “Quite simply, the facts are on our side and we look forward to the forthcoming recommendations of the presidentially-appointed arbitrators.”

Railway law is a weird situation in the U.S. and the President/Congress actually have a lot of power over rail companies. Congress can actually require rail companies to accept a specific collective bargaining contract, set staffing minimums/caps, and micromanage in a way they can't with any other industry.

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

This is literally doing what the unions wanted, though. It was posted a few posts above.

Great, but that's not what the poster said and not what I was responding to. Your post was made after the person I was responding to had already commented that they couldn't think of any way to resolve the labor dispute other than the president coming down and preventing a strike.

Flying-PCP
Oct 2, 2005
Maybe news should have to be posted with two different sources or something, could that help mitigate kneejerk responses and arguments over responses that are unrelated to the reality of the situation (to the Current Event, as it were)?

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Ciprian Maricon posted:

Great, but that's not what the poster said and not what I was responding to. Your post was made after the person I was responding to had already commented that they couldn't think of any way to resolve the labor dispute other than the president coming down and preventing a strike.

To be fair I think a left wing president here would be doing something similar. The union doesn't want to strike, everyone involved wants to keep trains running, and the government has the right here to step in and dictate most of the terms if negotiations are not moving and hitting things like strike deadlines. Obviously the devil will be in the details of the contracts and if the government worked in favor of the workers.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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One Senate Republican moves from "no public position" on codifying gay marriage to... "might have a public position" on gay marriage.

That makes 1 Yes, 1 "probably," and still 9 more potentially in play. Still very possible to get 10 votes in the Senate, but not clear if they will.

It's also possible that a few Republican Senators who have previously said they were against gay marriage might end up supporting, but so far, none of them have publicly switched.

https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1549756929299324928

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



Gumball Gumption posted:

To be fair I think a left wing president here would be doing something similar.

I don't agree but that isn't relevant. The criticism I was making is that lots of other things could be done other than a president preventing a strike this way. The poster didn't argue that it was the preferable course of action for X and Y reasons, they said they couldn't think of any other actions to prevent a strike.

Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jul 20, 2022

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

One Senate Republican moves from "no public position" on codifying gay marriage to... "might have a public position" on gay marriage.

That makes 1 Yes, 1 "probably," and still 9 more potentially in play. Still very possible to get 10 votes in the Senate, but not clear if they will.

It's also possible that a few Republican Senators who have previously said they were against gay marriage might end up supporting, but so far, none of them have publicly switched.

https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1549756929299324928
I would imagine that they’re going to avoid taking any position until closer to a vote, and we don’t know when that is at this point

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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FlamingLiberal posted:

I would imagine that they’re going to avoid taking any position until closer to a vote, and we don’t know when that is at this point

Senator Blumenthal proposes the nuclear option - If they can get 10 Republican votes, they should consider shortening their vacation to make room for a vote (gasp!)

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1549760941721542657

Portman makes 2 Republican "Yes" votes + 1 "Probably" from Tillis.

This seems like an easy win for a lot of Republicans because it will literally change nothing and has 70+% approval nationally. But, many of them llive in states where it is not popular and their base is against it. Still, it seems like if any social policy bill is able to get 10 Republican votes, then it would be this one because it is a free "reasonable moderate" point that doesn't have any direct policy implications.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1549764544108679168

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DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

it would be this one because it is a free "reasonable moderate" point that doesn't have any direct policy implications.

Unless they're slavering to overturn Obergefell like they were for Roe.

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