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God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

is emtme3 the same poster with the eyes profile pic (syphilis or something) who melted down in the last thread because we're all a bunch of jaded nihilists who won't sacrifice ourselves to sabotage the oil industry

Filthy Hans posted:

didn't that happen literally the morning before Biden was supposed to tour Pittsburgh as part of his infrastructure funding junket

yup lol

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/28/pittsburgh-bridge-collapse-biden-infrastructure-speech

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Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Zodium posted:

i've seen it many times. i've almost been there, most memorably back in my libertarian days when I reasoned my way to Rothbardian child markets and thankfully had the good sense to go "woah, stop the loving presses, we gotta backtrack." EmTme3 took a wrong turn down an idealism track, and ended up where all such tracks must. here is the final pm they sent me, after I told them they needed therapy, not theory:

the last stop on the idealism train is always "everything is permitted, including pedophilia," but once you get seriously locked into an idealist track, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. i hope my dude or dudette gets the help they need, which we cannot provide as posters on the something awful dot com forums.

lmao at conflating Ukraine war cheerleaders with people saying "hey man maybe sit this one" to the guy trying to rationalize enjoyment of child torture animation

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. :nsa:

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004

quote:

if we ever had a choice, then we are going extinct because it is considered immoral to choose otherwise.


Gold.

I haven't watched the show but I think Emt was defending the idea of enjoying hosed up things (hello forum that made goatse a verb) and not actually harming children. He's got some other good posts in here that suggest this I'll dig up in a minute.

Anyway. Their stuff about the apocalypse is really good thanks for sharing that quote.

Harold Fjord has issued a correction as of 14:51 on Jul 20, 2022

Bathtub Cheese
Jun 15, 2008

I lust for Chinese world conquest. The truth does not matter before the supremacy of Dear Leader Xi.
The "nothing is true, all is permitted" crowd seems to relish the fact that the collapse of the biosphere will coincide with a loss of society's already woefully limited capacity to inhibit predatory behavior. I wonder what that's all about, or what might make them different from an Atomwaffen Division edgelord or groyper.

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Who said "everything is permitted"?

Makes me think you didn't understand something.. Which is fine. I disagree with the statement (lots of things are not permitted especially hurting kids) but I also don't think anyone here made it

Bathtub Cheese
Jun 15, 2008

I lust for Chinese world conquest. The truth does not matter before the supremacy of Dear Leader Xi.

Harold Fjord posted:

Who said "everything is permitted"?

Makes me think you didn't understand something.. Which is fine. I disagree with the statement (lots of things are not permitted especially hurting kids) but I also don't think anyone here made it

I already explained why you smug jackass

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Bumping for page

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004

Bathtub Cheese posted:

I already explained why you smug jackass

Oh, you definitely didn't understand the big words posts.

I'm sure those people exist, I don't think you understand emts post correctly if you concluded they are one.

Struensee
Nov 9, 2011


https://youtu.be/XM0uZ9mfOUI

Bathtub Cheese
Jun 15, 2008

I lust for Chinese world conquest. The truth does not matter before the supremacy of Dear Leader Xi.

Harold Fjord posted:

Oh, you definitely didn't understand the big words posts.

I'm sure those people exist, I don't think you understand emts post correctly if you concluded they are one.

You reached for the condescension here because you wouldn't even be able to explain what I didn't understand and you're probably that guy's friend off-site

Bathtub Cheese has issued a correction as of 15:07 on Jul 20, 2022

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Getting brutal in here the past couple of days, i'm blaming the heat wave

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Zodium posted:

the last stop on the idealism train is always "everything is permitted, including pedophilia," but once you get seriously locked into an idealist track, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. i hope my dude or dudette gets the help they need, which we cannot provide as posters on the something awful dot com forums.

it keeps happening, and always inspires me to bring up how dozens of prominent french intellectuals signed public petitions in favor of pedophilia in 1977 and 1979 lmao

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
I think its good. It needs to be allowed. I also want posters to talk about me for 4 pages when i leave or get banned. We should talk about T-Paine a bit now, out of kindness

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Bathtub Cheese posted:

The "nothing is true, all is permitted" crowd seems to relish the fact that the collapse of the biosphere will coincide with a loss of society's already woefully limited capacity to inhibit predatory behavior. I wonder what that's all about, or what might make them different from an Atomwaffen Division edgelord or groyper.

that quote comes from the popular assassin’s creed series of bideo james

I think you’re right. There’s a ton of misplaced resentment over the deprecation of material conditions that were reinforced by the cis-hetero white patriarchy post-WWII, and the spiritual transition to the entirely online new atheism movement was intellectually lacking, as most auto-didactic pursuits are, so the God-hole in all these falling middle-class white men’s heads was eager to fill with pseudo-intellectual explanations that, again, missed the mark and reverted to old divisions to satisfy the rage.

Hannah Arendt has bits about the ahistorical rise of fascism, and we’d be wise to heed them as the biosphere starts putting the hard limits on our civilization we failed to decades ago.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Headspinning post that ends up endorsing an anti-communist. Love CSPAM

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

atelier morgan posted:

it keeps happening, and always inspires me to bring up how dozens of prominent french intellectuals signed public petitions in favor of pedophilia in 1977 and 1979 lmao

French intellectuals looked at the May 1968 riots in France and said, "how about a different type of youth movement"

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

bedpan posted:

French intellectuals looked at the May 1968 riots in France and said, "how about a different type of youth movement"

:nsavince:

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Unless posted:

that quote comes from the popular assassin’s creed series of bideo james

I think you’re right. There’s a ton of misplaced resentment over the deprecation of material conditions that were reinforced by the cis-hetero white patriarchy post-WWII, and the spiritual transition to the entirely online new atheism movement was intellectually lacking, as most auto-didactic pursuits are, so the God-hole in all these falling middle-class white men’s heads was eager to fill with pseudo-intellectual explanations that, again, missed the mark and reverted to old divisions to satisfy the rage.

Hannah Arendt has bits about the ahistorical rise of fascism, and we’d be wise to heed them as the biosphere starts putting the hard limits on our civilization we failed to decades ago.

The quote also gets some use from the Aleister Crowley and William S. Burroughs crowd

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




bedpan posted:

youth movement

new young mouth meme already?

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I think its good. It needs to be allowed. I also want posters to talk about me for 4 pages when i leave or get banned. We should talk about T-Paine a bit now, out of kindness

I miss them and wish them the best

bedpan posted:

French intellectuals looked at the May 1968 riots in France and said, "how about a different type of youth movement"

FacelessVoid
Jul 8, 2009
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2022/07/19/global-extinction-threat-may-be-higher-previously-thought/7501658254724/

quote:

July 19 (UPI) -- The threat of extinction to all species on Earth may be much higher than previously thought, a new study suggests, after a biodiversity survey found that about 30% of species have been globally threatened or driven to extinction since the year 1500.

quote:

A previous 2019 report from the United Nations compiled by just 145 experts from 50 countries found that about 12.5% of all species on Earth, or about 1 million species, were estimated to have been globally threatened or driven to extinction since the year 1500.

Whelp, see you in 2025 when the number doubles again.

quote:

"Experts also acknowledged substantial uncertainty around their estimates, with perhaps as few as 16% or as many as 50% of species threatened or driven extinct over this time," Isbell noted in a press release.

Never mind, looks like scientists are catching onto the pattern. :thumbsup:

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

if we're the last species remaining we get a domination victory

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

TACD posted:

if we're the last species remaining we get a domination victory

This explains a lot. Clearly the ruling class is keenly aware that it's almost impossible to top the scoreboard with Science, Culture, or Diplomat victories.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1549484122661437442?s=20&t=mG2J9yjkpkFwDqWnEJeLIQ

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Spelled his own last name wrong. Sad!

Fell Mood
Jul 2, 2022

A terrible Fell look!
Has anyone figured out which plant or building materials in Britain spontaneously combust at 40C because this is getting ridiculous.
Like if they were already fighting fires earlier then yeah, these record temps would make it worse, but it's like a switch was flipped.

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Planet hot

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Fell Mood posted:

Has anyone figured out which plant or building materials in Britain spontaneously combust at 40C because this is getting ridiculous.
Like if they were already fighting fires earlier then yeah, these record temps would make it worse, but it's like a switch was flipped.

There was a big confusion over cigarettes and bundled sticks

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?
I don't get why it's so confusing. It just seems like wildfires spreading to populated areas and a fire service that's not really used to dealing with widespread wildfire outbreaks?

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Perry Mason Jar posted:

Headspinning post that ends up endorsing an anti-communist. Love CSPAM

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Headspinning post that ends up endorsing an anti-communist. Love CSPAM

Throwaway one-liners that end up reinforcing leftist infighting. Love PMJ

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

Fell Mood posted:

Has anyone figured out which plant or building materials in Britain spontaneously combust at 40C because this is getting ridiculous.
Like if they were already fighting fires earlier then yeah, these record temps would make it worse, but it's like a switch was flipped.

Britons

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Unless posted:

Throwaway one-liners that end up reinforcing leftist infighting. Love PMJ

"Leftist infighting" is the proper Marxist principle of ruthless critique you peabrain. Arendt washed her Nazi beau's philosophical crimes by, too, blaming working class

Janitor Ludwich IV
Jan 25, 2019

by vyelkin
This thread much like our planet has the best meltdowns

Maybe some day we will all meet on the battlefield of our dead earth and won't have to worry about pondering how hosed we are going to be and how meaningless our individual contributions to material conditions are. We can hold each other at gunpoint directly instead of hiding behind notions of freedom

lrk3r
Jul 20, 2022

by Hand Knit

Zodium posted:

<flips another hourglass into starting position>

:downsa:

gently caress it, i'll burn another account down. it's just money.

Harold Fjord posted:

Picked a bad time to do dumb philosophizing but it's still just dumb philosophizing. gently caress the mods, read this person's posts.

RIP

thanks man. i just kinda barged in and saw someone contradicting my line (and slandering rime, who i like), tried to post a correction. turns out it was the single dumbest worst hill to die on maybe ever.

Rectal Death Adept posted:

EmTme3 seemed like the kind of poster that took solace in their own intellect. Faced with something bad you just dissect it and quantify it.

They did not understand that this should not apply to literally everything so they bounced from a constant stream of extreme over-analysis of random poo poo only to go down in flames for hosed up anime

Sometimes you just need to go "drat that is seriously hosed up, gently caress this" and not run the numbers

the ruthless critical analysis of every existing thing (starting and ending with oneself) means exactly that.

Mola Yam posted:

just lol if you've been on these forums for more than one minute and don't know about the ultimate poop you don't touch, even tangentially. it's like Posting Enemy catnip.

technically, the reason for the perma wasn't that post. i slammed my site at the mods directly, explained what i was doing, and told them to perma me if they don't want me around. they poked around on it for a bit, and indeed - i am too much of a wackadoodle doomer even for the biosphere collapse thread. it would be in everyone's interests if i never return!

krispykremessuck posted:

glad to have the biosphere collapse thread re-confirm my distrust of anime people and internet philosophy sayers

anyway how are the models etc

i have not and will never voluntarily watch an anime.

Bathtub Cheese posted:

Lmao that post and most of his others were a series of unjustified claims peppered with polysyllabic academese. Conflating our "current regime of enjoyment" (read in context: one that excludes pedophilia as a legitimate form of enjoyment) with omnicide is one of the most disgusting things I've read posted here. Marquis de Sade was a notorious pedophile himself, so there you go.

awwww yeah now we're getting the good stuff. i'm honored to made the all time top worst posts list! in the meantime, we are literally, factually, actually enjoying a planet to death. with this undeniable fact in mind, surely you can agree: there is something extremely hosed up about our current mode(s) of enjoyment. an constructive question arises - what kinds of enjoyment do not contribute to omnicide? can we imagine a world where we enjoy repairing our shared planet, rather than destroying it?

that's the context that i was writing in. maybe you should update yours for the post-holocene.

and de sade was many things, but i mentioned him specifically because he was among the first to submit his desire/enjoyment loop to something like an empirical practice. what he discovered was this: enjoyment is an amoral mechanism, and if you follow it to the end, you can enjoy anything. this is not an argument for or against the morality of any of those things, it is an explanation for why the enjoyment of said things exists in the first place.

which leads me back to zode. how ya doin big guy?

Zodium posted:

i've seen it many times. i've almost been there, most memorably back in my libertarian days when I reasoned my way to Rothbardian child markets and thankfully had the good sense to go "woah, stop the loving presses, we gotta backtrack." EmTme3 took a wrong turn down an idealism track, and ended up where all such tracks must. here is the final pm they sent me, after I told them they needed therapy, not theory:

the last stop on the idealism train is always "everything is permitted, including pedophilia," but once you get seriously locked into an idealist track, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. i hope my dude or dudette gets the help they need, which we cannot provide as posters on the something awful dot com forums.

if you'd read anything on my site, you'd know that i'm a radical materialist, not an idealist. interestingly enough, when you push materialism all the way to the end, you don't get 'everything is permitted', you get this:

nothing is permitted.

de sade was de sade so that we could learn from his example without becoming him. the lesson is this: because enjoyment has no moral content, when pushed to its end, the pursuit of enjoyment turns us into monsters. turns out, he was right; and now we're a sapient extinction event.

the only ethical stance then is to try to escape enjoyment altogether, which leads us to my prime ethical directive (insofar as we want to attempt to be revolutionary subjects):

Hans Jonas posted:

Act only in such a way that the effects of your actions can be reconciled with the permanence of true human life on earth.

this is an ethical suspension of morality, but it goes to the militant discipline of 'nothing is permitted' rather than the hedonistic cliff of 'everything is permitted'. this is a figure of a totally uncompromising celibate warrior monk, not jeffrey loving epstein.

so then: insofar as we are serious about being revolutionary subjects in the 21c (lol), it is our duty to stop both ourselves and others from enjoying a mass extinction event. this is the position i'm arguing from; and i'll admit - i really hadn't considered or thought about the ramifications when applied to sexual deviants when i made that post.

so the choice either an unpricipled idealist 'let people enjoy', or a principled materialist 'all enjoyment is suspect'. in political terms: ecosocialism or extinction.

God Hole posted:

is emtme3 the same poster with the eyes profile pic (syphilis or something) who melted down in the last thread because we're all a bunch of jaded nihilists who won't sacrifice ourselves to sabotage the oil industry

ya that was prolly me. that was a good post. 'how do you want to die? jerking off in front of the screen that stunted and enslaved you, or striding across the wasteland with your comrades, filled with red purpose?' something like that.

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

lmao at conflating Ukraine war cheerleaders with people saying "hey man maybe sit this one" to the guy trying to rationalize enjoyment of child torture animation

no conflation, just observing the same effect. i advance an amoral ethical line into enemy territory, and get demonized even tho i'm explicitly not supporting or justifying, just explaining and analyzing.

Harold Fjord posted:

Gold.

I haven't watched the show but I think Emt was defending the idea of enjoying hosed up things (hello forum that made goatse a verb) and not actually harming children. He's got some other good posts in here that suggest this I'll dig up in a minute.

Anyway. Their stuff about the apocalypse is really good thanks for sharing that quote.

yeah you're getting it. i was saying what i've elucidated here: all enjoyment is hosed up. especially here of all places. our successors (if there are any) are going to be the ones who succesfully learned how to not-enjoy enjoying and enjoy not-enjoying.

Bathtub Cheese posted:

The "nothing is true, all is permitted" crowd seems to relish the fact that the collapse of the biosphere will coincide with a loss of society's already woefully limited capacity to inhibit predatory behavior. I wonder what that's all about, or what might make them different from an Atomwaffen Division edgelord or groyper.

motherfucker i'm a truth seeker attempting to advance a systematic 21c historical truth process into the world. i take truth very seriously. and again - insofar as we are ethical materialists, nothing is permitted.

Harold Fjord posted:

Who said "everything is permitted"?

Makes me think you didn't understand something.. Which is fine. I disagree with the statement (lots of things are not permitted especially hurting kids) but I also don't think anyone here made it

what i said was that anything can be enjoyed. and that in lieue of stopping people enjoying a planet to death, the alternative is to let people enjoy. and that got interpretted as me tangentially defending anime kid torture porn, or something.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I think its good. It needs to be allowed. I also want posters to talk about me for 4 pages when i leave or get banned. We should talk about T-Paine a bit now, out of kindness

i'm glad i'm making you guys think.

Harold Fjord posted:

I miss them and wish them the best

:glomp: thanks for not throwing me under the bus man. i'm assuming i'm gonna get another insta-perma for this, so i'm gonna take a break from SA, maybe go find a therapist who knows how to treat 'addicted to line struggle on the internet'. i'll keep throwing stuff up on the site for anybody who's interested, and i'm on twitter too.

you guys are all still ridiculous naive little libs with the morality of 19c victorian housewives, but i'll miss you anyways.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lClBMhzqwCs

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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Rectal Death Adept posted:

Getting brutal in here the past couple of days, i'm blaming the heat wave

Sometimes, all I think about is you
Late nights in the middle of June

lrk3r posted:

:downsa:

gently caress it, i'll burn another account down. it's just money.

don't do this, man

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

lrk3r posted:


if you'd read anything on my site, you'd know that i'm a radical materialist, not an idealist. interestingly enough, when you push materialism all the way to the end, you don't get 'everything is permitted', you get this:

nothing is permitted.


you dumbass

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Is this implying covid and climate change don't exist?

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
[Extremely Zizekishly] Taking in a Monet watercolor is actually NOT ALLOWED by materialism and is an idealist, bourgeois perversion shniff

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Armadillo Tank
Mar 26, 2010


As per my post in Doomsday Econ: What is the sun but the landlord of the earth?

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